[MassiveTruck]

These are collected data that were inarguable in another thread. Since it is difficult for some to understand facts, statistics and academic texts - these will be difficult reading but give it a chance.

It's practically evidence against Cannabis being legalised from it's effects on mental health, the effects on crime and the rise in terrorism as well.

(Obviously in post two we have the embarrasing "Alcohol kills people so let's legalise Cannabis to kill more people" but let's owe that to naivety eh )

Enjoy - it's a big read but it gets lost in the other thread because it's difficult to understand but as a first post people can relate to the studies and the facts and understand why it will not be legal.

I'll also post this in a new thread so if you have any questions you have easy access about Cannabis

The truth about Cannabis

That means not stoner videos and misinterpretations you make. Oh... just realised you'll probably see this through the lefty liberal idealistic unreal wonderland. Anyway, I'm a giver, I'll try.


Here you go. Counter argue these.

I have posted studies - the height of your intelligence is posting videos uploaded by Stoners on Youtube. Well done.

Now - welcome to the big leagues.


Let's see if after asking for the 50th time you can counter argue all of this.


Here we go again - part 50. Let's see if you can do it.


[rquote=2608376&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck]Let me start by saying, if you accept my view on things, fine, I will disappear.

If you abuse and insult and make out you know better without evidence, then I will return.

Well I don't know if it's your lack of knowledge, your ignorance to facts or your inability to answer and respond to questions that makes me laugh or in fact the videos you post from the pro cannabis council - or maybe it's your need to hurl insults and abuse that makes me laugh a lot.

For instance Probe Eight, you basically repeat yourself about he same thing. It can be responded with the simple answer as -

it's propoganda you're posting that has no relevance to the global problem and ignores it as well.

Those videos for instance. They are biassed. You do know that all those pro-cannabis websites don't have an iota of evidence for what they say.

While Setanta you think that if you put yourself forward as smart or intelligent then you can get away from answering questions, mainly by belittling the person you are responding to.

You seem to think the mental health problem is due to hydroponics but that's not true either because most people take Cannabis for it's high THC content and therefore need these types of strains to feel sedated and basically escape from their lives. All Cannabis has these problems (see small number of links below)

You do know that Portugal only legalised drugs because of the massive drug problem they had (which was causing problems for the economy) so they decided to tax insurance companies and create rehab treatment and other ventures to make money from addicts. People in rehab in Portugal is through the roof by the way - and this due to decriminalising of drugs - so it makes it easier to be an addict? Get it.

Portugal has stopped targeting drug dealers and instead just shove people into rehab. They are still there, it's just their life is easier - which... erm... is what I just told you? Yeah.

Please, join the dots. It's not hard.



I mean seriously, criminals will disappear because users will buy their stock from shops... erm... yeah... that will happen, I am sure... if you're naive that is. Wow...!

Anyway, cutting a long story short... I might as well just post some links for you to respond to.

Before you read them, realise that some people, in fact the vast majority of people have a life and they don't need drugs and you forget about the peopel who have families, friends and health systems who have to struggle due to drugs.

Go for it. It's liberty isn't it - not mine but at least I care. That's the difference between me and you.

Reply to these. Enjoy.

Cannabis alters DNA, lowers immunity, heightens disease risks

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ca...study/477395/1

Schizophrenia link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2407027.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4486548.stm

Marijuana withdrawal symptom

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/disp...54701?verify=0

Rise in drug deaths due to Cannabis rise

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aths-rise.html

Problems with drug dealers and rise in crime due to downgrading

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...locked-up.html

Cannabis could kill thousands

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2995275.stm

Cannabis use, hundreds of deaths a year

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ner-warns.html

Cannabis users five times more prone to violence

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ca...study/477395/1

Drug use spirals - review drug laws

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...944CBF228BDB97

Portugal's (and other country's) soft use on cannabis causes problems elsewhere

http://www.lca-uk.org/news/shownewsa...rticleid=14736

Problems in dealing with drug related problems

http://www.springerlink.com/content/m72755578r724363/

Decriminalisation in portugal leading to lowering of drug use is due to fiddling of statististics

http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...893946,00.html

Portugal's rise in drug treatment rockets due to decriminilization

http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/html.cfm/index35987EN.html

Marijuana withdrawal and nightmares

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthrea...e5557b&t=95618

Rise in rehab due to cannabis downgrade

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ed-double.html

Problems with studying cannabis due to strains and mental health issues and side effects

http://www.parliament.the-stationery.../15107.htm#a12

Schizophrenia/psychosis and cannabis

http://www.mentalhealthcare.org.uk/content/?id=30

Problems with drug treatment with sex offenders due to legalisation in California

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/us/27parole.html?hp

Drug trafficking in Canada leads to Murder capital (take note of legalisation effects here!!)

http://www.vancouversun.com/farming+...138/story.html

Drug trouble in Canada's Paradise

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8231534.stm

Marijuana and testicular cancer

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb...he-marijuana16

Cannabis and suicide

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle3953555.ece
http://www.abc.net.au/health/minutes...es/s473102.htm
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-to-death.html
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/s...007061,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/405259.stm
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....s_suicide.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1156893.ece
http://www.eastbourneherald.co.uk/ha...ile.5260493.jp
http://www.lep.co.uk/news/Hanged-man...ion.5276374.jp
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...C4FE611DDB7A19
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...s-suicide.html

Canada's Drug Crime rate due to decriminilising

http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/cana.../10955301.html

Drug rehab for kids on cannabis

http://www.eadt.co.uk/content/eadt/n...A20%3A48%3A330
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/ch...50-a-week.html
http://www.wellsphere.com/wellpage/marijuana-rehab

Addiction

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...addiction.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle5946633.ece

Mental Illness

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...ts-397449.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...bis-users.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0602160845.htm
http://www.gnmhealthcare.com/cgi-bin...alse&lecture=1
http://www.gnmhealthcare.com/cgi-bin...alse&lecture=1
http://www.gnmhealthcare.com/cgi-bin...alse&lecture=1
http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head..._psychosis.xml
http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head...hosis_risk.xml
http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head..._psychosis.xml
http://www.primarypsychiatry.com/asp...articleid=2038
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...gy-440730.html
http://www.mentalhealthcare.org.uk/content/?id=27
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...a98f9ab41ded86
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...llness-40.html
http://www.southendstandard.co.uk/ne...ned_by_police/
http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head...s@ntlworld.com
http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/con...t/66/1/95?home

Dutch problems with Cannabis

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...SpG82yJ8piAGlg

California problems with cannabis

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may...ion/oe-maher21

Drug dependency in newborns

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...t-1693502.html

Causal association between cannabis and psychosis
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/abstract/184/2/110


Slavery and Cannabis
http://www.newstatesman.com/law-and-...farms-children

Cannabis overdose

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/new...46-23684609/2/

Pharmaceutical, clinically developed drug so no need to smoke cannabis for MS

http://www.pharmafocus.com/cda/focus...492783,00.html

Skunk Knife murderer

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...D6DE77E0635A80

Psychotic Cannabis user knifes policeman
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ath/article.do

Cannabis induced driver leaves girlfriend for dead

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-to-death.html

More on pharmaceutical use of cannabis to stop "recreational use"
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...t-anymore.html

Man stabbed to death
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-brother.html

Portugal fall in crime rate is due to decriminilisation - problems still rife

http://www.addictionpro.com/ME2/dirm...B52AD812DC3644

Although the report does not make this case itself, perhaps the most radical interpretation of comparative international data like this is that the specific penalties (or lack thereof) in place have less impact on drug use patterns (for better or worse) than we’re often inclined to think …

Drug peddling

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/44286...ne_by_bicycle/

"recreational" effects on family

http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-e...-dealer-father

Drug enduced fatal accident

http://austriantimes.at/index.php?id=14004

Cannabis used as rape drug

http://www.3news.co.nz/News/National...4/Default.aspx

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I loved destroying you here the most by the way. I laughed so much and I didn't need any drugs to induce that. Honestly I didn't. THat might be hard to believe but I don't need drugs to have pleasure. It's just I've been brought up like that.


[rquote=2609906&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2609146&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]

Maybe go to Portugal and see all the Cannabis sufferers in the rehab clinics the Government is making millions in tax from.

Maybe go to California, and take the Cannabis straight out of the hands of people suffering from a range of ailments, whose only grace and relief is Cannabis. Go on. Save the world. You hero, you.

I am not responsible for people smoking Cannabis going insane. The fact is, and make no mistake about it, this is a fact, anybody who wants Cannabis can get it. It's not hard. So make it legal, make it safer, and make it cleaner.

They fuel an industry that exploits people by selling a drug to them

In addition to failing to respond to the actual FACT I had laid out that stated more people benefit from Cannabis, even on a recreational basis, than suffer from it, you also just provided an argument for legalization. Shot in the foot. Well done.

But wait ... whats this ... you think people would STILL risk going to dealers for cheaper Cannabis when they could GROW IT FOR FREE?

Says it all.

All chronic users suffer from life long problems by the way. But you chose to ignore that.

Yes. Because it is not a verified scientific fact. ALL users? Bit of a bold claim, even by your standards.

BUT here is what kills poor old MassiveTruck off...

You should really consider reading up on CBD, Cannabidiols, Canniboids and also THC too. Really know the difference man. Seriously.

CBD is Cannabidiol. THC and CBD are both Cannabinoids [as opposed to 'Canniboids']. Yet you mention all three as being EXCLUSIVE of one another. You really have no idea, do you?

The lack of THC and the higher the CBD - means no sedation.

Wrong. High CBD creates Indica strains of the plant. Known for a high sedation and body stone. As opposed to Sativa strains where THC is more dominant, characterized by a more 'trippy' head high.

There are strains of Cannabis out there that provide no sedation at all. But what does it matter. You had no idea what CBD was to begin with, considering you mentioned it separately to both Cannabidiol and a Cannabinoid, even though CBD IS Cannabidiol and Cannabidiol IS A CANNABINOID.

And then you tell ME in the same sentence you formed around your errors to read up on it?

Your dead in the water. Post all the meaningless s*** you want back. Rational people still know a legal Cannabis market is safer than an illegal one. The amount of people who develop problems from Cannabis is a tiny fraction of the overall userbase. Most of these problems come from Cannabis that could be ended if it were made legal. A ****ing meerkat could understand that logic.

Enough of this mess. I am no longer wasting time arguing with a bully who loves to goad others into arguments to then make them feel terrible about themselves. Your remarks about sedation, THC and the other components of Cannabis prove to me you have no idea what you are talking about and you are currently in the process of schooling yourself about Cannabis just to make some people feel terrible about themselves.

So go ahead, post ANYTHING you like back. It matters not. Not after this...

You should really consider reading up on CBD, Cannabidiols, Canniboids and also THC too. Really know the difference man. Seriously.

So we have four separate things, all of which I should know the difference between?

Now, over to your precious Wikipedia...

Cannabidiol, also known as CBD, is a cannabinoid found in Cannabis.

Oh dear me! Your cover has just been blown! Post back with what you like, wind up merchant, but you have NO idea what you are talking about! Why should anybody bother to reply to your points? Your finished!

LOL! Now thats put me in the mood for a smoke!

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Hmm... You actually think people will grow enough Cannabis for themselves? That's illogical and not possible... That's why crime will rise 10 fold without it.

How many plants for how many spliffs? Do you see how it's impossible?

This is why crime will rise as crime (with the evidence I have shown you) has risen in Portugal, Canada, US and all across Europe to traffic in drugs to countries where it is legal...

Yeah? Come on...

I have given evidence for this but you're trying to make out there is truth to this.

I would love to know if you can actually reply to everything I posted instead of manipulating tit bits to make it sound like I got something wrong. Is that possible?

I mean, you just twisted something I said and said I was wrong (when I wasn't) and then said you're going to get a smoke.

Anywhere, here is a link regarding THC and the sedating effect to rubbish your misinformed view about sedation.

Enjoy... (I doubt)

This is from a BBC documentary. This is a showing a plant where they are removing "good products" from "certain cannabis plants" which have have Cannabinoid properties beneficial to medicinal gains.

You should really read up. READ UP... because in the real world, (away from the idiots writing on Wiki) people will laugh at you totally.

Read those links I posted. This is free advice. Nobody else will give it you.

Watch from 1:51 - this was on the BBC a while back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa6dX1Ok8rY&NR

Take note he talks about run of the mill Cannabis strains with anti-psychotic properties. Google this guy - he has studied Cannabis for years. Move on to where he is

"as recreational cannabis plants are grown for higher THC content so their CBD content (medicinal properties!!!!) falls, simply because the plant is unable (operative word!!) to produce high level of both"

Read up.

Free advice. Because you haven't got a clue.

You have sidestepped a lot of what I have said and I have responded to you with evidence. Clear as it is.

Your views on California are flawed! Utterly.


[/rquote]

And...

[rquote=2610114&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck]I've had enough.

There is evidence against everything you say.

You make out because Alcohol (which is legal, probably the reason why if you think about it) kills more people, then Cannabis should be legal.

No consideration for all the suicides, the terrorist opportunism and the countless problems with it.

Carry on.

If this is the beliefs you love. Enjoy.

Before I go - Some studies

Suicide and Cannabis by the way

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0

Oh and a twins study with cannabis and suicide

http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/con...act/61/10/1026

I love this one


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...85f36f697418a9

Early-onset of cannabis use by females (but not for males) signaled excess risk for suicide ideation (RR = 2.9; p = 0.006).

You'll love this

http://pt.wkhealth.com/pt/re/addi/abstract.00008514-200209000-00010.htm;jsessionid=K1YM1nD9kbqSXRsxFDPvgZhGf0R11 K2GYG2dVyr6SYjQKrb7nZld!-670034922!181195628!8091!-1

Cannabis use, and particularly regular or heavy use, was associated with increased rates of a range of adjustment problems in adolescence/young adulthood-other illicit drug use, crime, depression and suicidal behaviours-with these adverse effects being most evident for school-aged regular users. The findings reinforce public health concerns about minimizing the use of cannabis among school-aged populations.

Oh erm... cannabinoids and suicide risk due to the endocannabinoid system - wow - it's in our brains already so it triggers suicide. WOW!

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...c9ed575ac017af


Just before I go. You know, there are alike hundreds of studies like this. Studying suicide rates amongst cannabis users. Off the top of my head - that's like thousands, just for the studies. WOWZER!!!

Just a taster of what you're supporting.

Enjoy![/rquote]


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[rquote=2610222&tid=147499&author=setanta]And you're still posting websites that I've already responded to, stating that of course young adults would be illequiped to deal with any type of drug and those studies also indicate that there's an awful lot of other factors involved, including genetic predisposition. What I'm basically trying to state is that we all realise that every type of drug can be abused and can have a terrible effect on the young and those who are susceptible to mental illness, but it's your hypocrisy that really is astounding considering that there are many drugs that are far more dangerous. I've already answered this!!

You just continue on your quest, without listening to or reading any other surveys that we've posted. And we're not on a mission to demonise other drugs here; just trying to have a balanced conversation here regarding the drug and yet you continue to post isolated incidents of acts of violence that sometimes have a tenuous link to cannabis. Should I post ones relating to alcohol? Or maybe eating disorders,etc? This is all about people having a choice and taking the power out of the criminals hands, so that the drug can be monitored, controlled and the quality of the product can be insured. [/rquote]

Surveys you've posted? What surveys?

Oh right... I get it, now you're lying in order to show people that you have actually posted something legible when you haven't posted anything legible at all.

Oh right... so you resort to lying (a bit like in the Muse thread as well..? Yeah? OK) in order to save face.

Counter argue what is written. I dare you, I double dare you.

Go for it.

Here are some facts for you to chew on.

http://www.idmu.co.uk/cannabis/canna...n-britain.html

Scroll down to Health Problems and you'll see the effect it has on 1 in 2 users of Cannabis. Regular users have regular problems with the drug.

Problems range from

Headache, Paranoia, Chest Problems, Panic Attacks, Anxiety, Psychosis, Apathy,

Running out (addiction) 6.3% of users suffer from this all the time, that is 1 in 20, 1 in 3 suffer from this more than occasionally).

Balance, Motor Skills (accidents) and Vomiting.

Now compare problems to frequency of use. You see a clear relationship that those who take it regularly have problems with the drug. In light of this every individual who takes it regularly has some problems with it on a regular basis BUT

They still take the drug.

Then you have the nerve, the audacity, the arrogance, the ego to say that, oh it's just kids oh it's just a few people, oh it's just the criminals. How dare you. How the hell dare you ignore all I have put forward and lie your way through everything you say to save face. Your position on this is null.

You have no grounds at all to counter argue - because you do not understand any of the stuff I posted.

That is the bottom line to this.

I posted numerous recent studies on suicide and mental illness, and you ignored it. The laughable factor is you try and save face by saying you know that it gets abused - well hey what genius - take a look at the statistics and look at the effects of the abuse.

You then have the pathetic nerve to say everybody will grow their plants in their home. If it's that cheap and convenient - why isn't everybody doing it now? Oh I guess you're going to say it's illegal - that was your excuse.

Christ you do make me laugh.

Like I said, and listen up clearly.

You don't have faith in the government when it's illegal but oddly, pathetically, laughably, you seem to have faith in the government when it is legal?

That has to be the most funniest contradiction ever. The most widely used drug in the country will lead to massive fashion to grow Marijuana in every household and criminals will disappear.
The naivety is insane

Anyway, just going to requote the stuff you haven't replied to yet, for your benefit.

Well done.


So there you have it. Statistical evidence against Marijuana legalisation.

It highlights how it is abused for medicinal purposes. Abused by people for medicinal purposes. The mental health problems for ALL EVERY user and a counter argument that is indeniable and completely breakable

IF YOU READ IT!!!

Deal with it but hey - everybody needs their something - even a bunch of losers who need Cannabis. WEll done this is your life. Don't know about music, don't know about drugs!

[Stu]

Here is the short version, folks, based on hard facts from the past and present, and not on hypothesis situations, tests and studies :













Of course, Cannabis is not 100% safe, no drug is, but glass laced Cannabis is not nice. And it exists because Cannabis is illegal. If you want to think a large terrorist market would still exist for Cannabis if anybody could just grow it for free, go ahead, knock yourself out!

Also, I would urge all of you to pick an obscure subject i.e. skydiving, tin cans or coconuts, and gather a list of Google links demonizing them. Or we could just ban knives. They kill quiet a lot of people, and you and your evil bread cutting are directly to blame.

Also, next time you but a legal drink, think of the money you are giving back to alcohol companies who make yet more drink people get messed up and drink drive on.

That, or we could just talk about how strangely driven and demented MassiveTruck is, and why on earth a second thread was needed!

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2615957&tid=148331&author=ProbeEight]Here is the short version, folks, based on hard facts from the past and present, and not on hypothesis situations, tests and studies :













Of course, Cannabis is not 100% safe, no drug is, but glass laced Cannabis is not nice. And it exists because Cannabis is illegal. If you want to think a large terrorist market would still exist for Cannabis if anybody could just grow it for free, go ahead, knock yourself out!

Also, I would urge all of you to pick an obscure subject i.e. skydiving, tin cans or coconuts, and gather a list of Google links demonizing them. Or we could just ban knives. They kill quiet a lot of people, and you and your evil bread cutting are directly to blame.

Also, next time you but a legal drink, think of the money you are giving back to alcohol companies who make yet more drink people get messed up and drink drive on.

That, or we could just talk about how strangely driven and demented MassiveTruck is, and why on earth a second thread was needed![/rquote]

I see you still can't counter argue it and ignore the fact that Cannabis ruins lives and kills people (evidence above) and just think we should Legalise cannabis because it doesn't kill that many people and only funds terrorism and the rise in Cannabis is directly down to Arms and Sex Trafficking.

So you ignore all that because oh... because you also ignore that since more people drink alcohol obviously more people are affected but you ignore that and

Well, let let me just remind you all the things you have responded to above and for over 8 pages of your acceptance of drug abuse and drug use for "leisure purposes" Yes? Ok.

All evidence in post one - but you don't know that because your whole argument is built around a petty reassurance that oh more people die from alcohol so let's kill more others by legalising Cannabis. What a pleasant individual you are.

Next to time you write a post accepting cannabis think of the women in the sex trade.

The next time you write a post accepting cannabis, think of all the people murdered and killed in the arms trade.

The next time you write a post accepting cannabis think of the 8 out of 10 admittances to Psychiatric hospitals for Schizophrenia down to Cannabis.

The next time you write a post accepting cannabis, think of the people brought in to the UK to work to slave on Cannabis farms that doesn't feed our habit but encourages it.

The next time you write a post accepting Cannabis think of the people who need a quick fix but can't get one so resort to sex, prostitution and illicit activities.

The next time you write a post accepting cannabis consider the low response rate from breed Cannabis plants and the time involved - i.e. Legalising leads to rise in criminal activity - Evidence above in reference to Portugal, Holland and California.

The next time you write a post accepting Cannabis, maybe you can tell us about how you justify the suicide attempts and deaths related to that.

The next time you write a post accepting Cannabis how about telling us why this is a criminal drug and is encouraged as that (basically simple Scotland Yard and Interpol data that - common knowledge)

The next time you write a post accepting Cannabis tell us why even though you know that 1 in 2 people are affected by Cannabis negatively (even if they take it once) and that at least 1 in 5 are regularly affected and you know this - but you still want to encourage it.

The next time you write a post accepting cannabis - why haven't you ever commented on the clear evidence, academic and statistical that there is a mental health problem with this drug. Tell everyone why you ignore this.

The next time you write a post accepting Cannabis, tell everyone why you never responded to the clear evidence that Cannabis not only triggers and amplifies Depression centres in the brain but also works on clearly identified centres related to suicide (something you have not responded to in my previous posts) and your response has always been a juvenile and naive "but more people die from alcohol".

We know more people die from alcohol. It's because out of a country of 60,000,000 people nearly everyone drinks it but only 30k are regular users on cannabis. Can't you understand this is why not as many people are statistically there but by ratio there are more people struggling with it.

The next time you accept Cannabis use, maybe you can tell people around the world how even in places where it is legal, Sex and Arms trafficking is rife due to the legalities of the countries.

The next time you accept Cannabis use maybe you can explain, why even though evidence of rise in crime and rise in mental health problems and death and sex and arms trafficking has occurred you choose to ignore this with your view that "oh, but more people die from alcohol".

The next time you accept Cannabis, maybe you can explain how considering most people take it for it's sedating effects and this is down to the a high THC content, other psychosis reducing (not removing) properties disappear and you encourage this.

The next time you accept Cannabis use, maybe you can tell us how statistics above before hydro-ponics and Skunk, the health risks with regular cannabis use were 1 to 1 and now have increased rapidly.

The next time you accept Cannabis use, maybe you can explain to everybody, why is it that you justify knife crime, all negative activities in order to promote more people to smoke Cannabis. In your view, radiation is great as well as long as a few mutations doesn't stop you from playing a DVD. Newsflash - by ratio, more people are affected by Cannabis, evidence is above.

Also, you could also explain to us, in light of your acceptance of Cannabis, why does your above link put Cannabis on a par with Alcohol - which is legalised but even illegal Cannabis is just as bad as Alcohol. Can you explain, in any rational way why you want to legalise it then?

Can you also explain how it has been explained to you time and time again that people are dying, people are suffering from this drug but you are more interested in legalising it for no other purpose but for people to suffer. That's true because the reasons you give for legalising appear to be simply so people can continue to buy it and also help crime.

Why are you doing that.

It's simple - counter argue it but all you say is "But alcohol is legal too so let's kill more people with Marijuana".

What a sad sad sad world we live in when the pro-cannabis community only have this to stand on. You go on any pro-cannabis site they continue to say oh Alcohol is worse but just like you do...

...your own evidence contradicts your goals.

Anyway, like I said, Counter argue it.

but you can't.

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2615957&tid=148331&author=ProbeEight]Here is the short version, folks, based on hard facts from the past and present, and not on hypothesis situations, tests and studies :













Of course, Cannabis is not 100% safe, no drug is, but glass laced Cannabis is not nice. And it exists because Cannabis is illegal. If you want to think a large terrorist market would still exist for Cannabis if anybody could just grow it for free, go ahead, knock yourself out!

Also, I would urge all of you to pick an obscure subject i.e. skydiving, tin cans or coconuts, and gather a list of Google links demonizing them. Or we could just ban knives. They kill quiet a lot of people, and you and your evil bread cutting are directly to blame.

Also, next time you but a legal drink, think of the money you are giving back to alcohol companies who make yet more drink people get messed up and drink drive on.

That, or we could just talk about how strangely driven and demented MassiveTruck is, and why on earth a second thread was needed![/rquote]

I see you still can't counter argue it and ignore the fact that Cannabis ruins lives and kills people (evidence above) and just think we should Legalise cannabis because it doesn't kill that many people and only funds terrorism and the rise in Cannabis is directly down to Arms and Sex Trafficking.

So you ignore all that because oh... because you also ignore that since more people drink alcohol obviously more people are affected but you ignore that and

Well, let let me just remind you all the things you have responded to above and for over 8 pages of your acceptance of drug abuse and drug use for "leisure purposes" Yes? Ok.

All evidence in post one - but you don't know that because your whole argument is built around a petty reassurance that oh more people die from alcohol so let's kill more others by legalising Cannabis. What a pleasant individual you are.

Next to time you write a post accepting cannabis think of the women in the sex trade.

The next time you write a post accepting cannabis, think of all the people murdered and killed in the arms trade.

The next time you write a post accepting cannabis think of the 8 out of 10 admittances to Psychiatric hospitals for Schizophrenia down to Cannabis.

The next time you write a post accepting cannabis, think of the people brought in to the UK to work to slave on Cannabis farms that doesn't feed our habit but encourages it.

The next time you write a post accepting Cannabis think of the people who need a quick fix but can't get one so resort to sex, prostitution and illicit activities.

The next time you write a post accepting cannabis consider the low response rate from breed Cannabis plants and the time involved - i.e. Legalising leads to rise in criminal activity - Evidence above in reference to Portugal, Holland and California.

The next time you write a post accepting Cannabis, maybe you can tell us about how you justify the suicide attempts and deaths related to that.

The next time you write a post accepting Cannabis how about telling us why this is a criminal drug and is encouraged as that (basically simple Scotland Yard and Interpol data that - common knowledge)

The next time you write a post accepting Cannabis tell us why even though you know that 1 in 2 people are affected by Cannabis negatively (even if they take it once) and that at least 1 in 5 are regularly affected and you know this - but you still want to encourage it.

The next time you write a post accepting cannabis - why haven't you ever commented on the clear evidence, academic and statistical that there is a mental health problem with this drug. Tell everyone why you ignore this.

The next time you write a post accepting Cannabis, tell everyone why you never responded to the clear evidence that Cannabis not only triggers and amplifies Depression centres in the brain but also works on clearly identified centres related to suicide (something you have not responded to in my previous posts) and your response has always been a juvenile and naive "but more people die from alcohol".

We know more people die from alcohol. It's because out of a country of 60,000,000 people nearly everyone drinks it but only 30k are regular users on cannabis. Can't you understand this is why not as many people are statistically there but by ratio there are more people struggling with it.

The next time you accept Cannabis use, maybe you can tell people around the world how even in places where it is legal, Sex and Arms trafficking is rife due to the legalities of the countries.

The next time you accept Cannabis use maybe you can explain, why even though evidence of rise in crime and rise in mental health problems and death and sex and arms trafficking has occurred you choose to ignore this with your view that "oh, but more people die from alcohol".

The next time you accept Cannabis, maybe you can explain how considering most people take it for it's sedating effects and this is down to the a high THC content, other psychosis reducing (not removing) properties disappear and you encourage this.

The next time you accept Cannabis use, maybe you can tell us how statistics above before hydro-ponics and Skunk, the health risks with regular cannabis use were 1 to 1 and now have increased rapidly.

The next time you accept Cannabis use, maybe you can explain to everybody, why is it that you justify knife crime, all negative activities in order to promote more people to smoke Cannabis. In your view, radiation is great as well as long as a few mutations doesn't stop you from playing a DVD. Newsflash - by ratio, more people are affected by Cannabis, evidence is above.

Also, you could also explain to us, in light of your acceptance of Cannabis, why does your above link put Cannabis on a par with Alcohol - which is legalised but even illegal Cannabis is just as bad as Alcohol. Can you explain, in any rational way why you want to legalise it then?

Can you also explain how it has been explained to you time and time again that people are dying, people are suffering from this drug but you are more interested in legalising it for no other purpose but for people to suffer. That's true because the reasons you give for legalising appear to be simply so people can continue to buy it and also help crime.

Why are you doing that.

It's simple - counter argue it but all you say is "But alcohol is legal too so let's kill more people with Marijuana".

What a sad sad sad world we live in when the pro-cannabis community only have this to stand on. You go on any pro-cannabis site they continue to say oh Alcohol is worse but just like you do...

...your own evidence contradicts your goals.

Anyway, like I said, Counter argue it.

but you can't.

[Stu]

Those are all other people who smoke Cannabis. If that is the case, I can say ''next time you drink, think of...'' and so on. The point is beyond absurd. I cant be held responsible for other peoples actions. The fuel people put in there cars come from corrupt regimes. Clothes are made in sweatshops. The vast majority of the worlds cocoa is supplies by dirty trade. Ditto for coffee.

The majority use Cannabis safely. The minority don't. Majority wins. The reason why Cannabis is causing mental illness is because it is grown incorrectly by daft criminals. Government regulation would solve this problem. Case closed.

THC content is irrelevant. What matters is ratio. THC content causes a head 'buzzy' high. Strains lower in THC are more likely to cause sedation. You really do know nothing about this.

You are entitled to all the views you want on Cannabis. But alcohol is more of a danger to society. A nation smoking on a Saturday night would cause less trouble than a nation drinking on that same said night. Anybody can see this. Absolutely anybody. And Cannabis is better off controlled in the hands of the government than by crooks. Just like alcohol prohibition in the 1920's. Learn your history. It did not work then and it is not working now. People are always going to smoke. Lets make it safer for them. Lets put out warnings. Lets ask for mental health clarification certs [voila] and proof of ID. Criminals don't do this. Criminals don't screen.

It really is that simple.

[Stu]

Those are all other people who smoke Cannabis. If that is the case, I can say ''next time you drink, think of...'' and so on. The point is beyond absurd. I cant be held responsible for other peoples actions. The fuel people put in there cars come from corrupt regimes. Clothes are made in sweatshops. The vast majority of the worlds cocoa is supplies by dirty trade. Ditto for coffee.

The majority use Cannabis safely. The minority don't. Majority wins. The reason why Cannabis is causing mental illness is because it is grown incorrectly by daft criminals. Government regulation would solve this problem. Case closed.

THC content is irrelevant. What matters is ratio. THC content causes a head 'buzzy' high. Strains lower in THC are more likely to cause sedation. You really do know nothing about this.

You are entitled to all the views you want on Cannabis. But alcohol is more of a danger to society. A nation smoking on a Saturday night would cause less trouble than a nation drinking on that same said night. Anybody can see this. Absolutely anybody. And Cannabis is better off controlled in the hands of the government than by crooks. Just like alcohol prohibition in the 1920's. Learn your history. It did not work then and it is not working now. People are always going to smoke. Lets make it safer for them. Lets put out warnings. Lets ask for mental health clarification certs [voila] and proof of ID. Criminals don't do this. Criminals don't screen.

It really is that simple.

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2616161&tid=148331&author=ProbeEight]Those are all other people who smoke Cannabis. If that is the case, I can say ''next time you drink, think of...'' and so on. The point is beyond absurd. I cant be held responsible for other peoples actions. The fuel people put in there cars come from corrupt regimes. Clothes are made in sweatshops. The vast majority of the worlds cocoa is supplies by dirty trade. Ditto for coffee.

The majority use Cannabis safely. The minority don't. Majority wins. The reason why Cannabis is causing mental illness is because it is grown incorrectly by daft criminals. Government regulation would solve this problem. Case closed.

THC content is irrelevant. What matters is ratio. THC content causes a head 'buzzy' high. Strains lower in THC are more likely to cause sedation. You really do know nothing about this.

You are entitled to all the views you want on Cannabis. But alcohol is more of a danger to society. A nation smoking on a Saturday night would cause less trouble than a nation drinking on that same said night. Anybody can see this. Absolutely anybody. And Cannabis is better off controlled in the hands of the government than by crooks. Just like alcohol prohibition in the 1920's. Learn your history. It did not work then and it is not working now. People are always going to smoke. Lets make it safer for them. Lets put out warnings. Lets ask for mental health clarification certs [voila] and proof of ID. Criminals don't do this. Criminals don't screen.

It really is that simple.[/rquote]

Probe

If you read all the links above and any videos - you will see, like I have told you about 1000 times now.

You are wrong and you need to learn.

You know that data showing people having mental health problems? It was before Skunk and bad Cannabis... makes you wonder...

also makes you wonder how all teh studies relating Cannabis and THC to Psychosis are wrong because you say so.

EVERYTHING IS ABOVE.

Read and learn.

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2616161&tid=148331&author=ProbeEight]Those are all other people who smoke Cannabis. If that is the case, I can say ''next time you drink, think of...'' and so on. The point is beyond absurd. I cant be held responsible for other peoples actions. The fuel people put in there cars come from corrupt regimes. Clothes are made in sweatshops. The vast majority of the worlds cocoa is supplies by dirty trade. Ditto for coffee.

The majority use Cannabis safely. The minority don't. Majority wins. The reason why Cannabis is causing mental illness is because it is grown incorrectly by daft criminals. Government regulation would solve this problem. Case closed.

THC content is irrelevant. What matters is ratio. THC content causes a head 'buzzy' high. Strains lower in THC are more likely to cause sedation. You really do know nothing about this.

You are entitled to all the views you want on Cannabis. But alcohol is more of a danger to society. A nation smoking on a Saturday night would cause less trouble than a nation drinking on that same said night. Anybody can see this. Absolutely anybody. And Cannabis is better off controlled in the hands of the government than by crooks. Just like alcohol prohibition in the 1920's. Learn your history. It did not work then and it is not working now. People are always going to smoke. Lets make it safer for them. Lets put out warnings. Lets ask for mental health clarification certs [voila] and proof of ID. Criminals don't do this. Criminals don't screen.

It really is that simple.[/rquote]

Probe

If you read all the links above and any videos - you will see, like I have told you about 1000 times now.

You are wrong and you need to learn.

You know that data showing people having mental health problems? It was before Skunk and bad Cannabis... makes you wonder...

also makes you wonder how all teh studies relating Cannabis and THC to Psychosis are wrong because you say so.

EVERYTHING IS ABOVE.

Read and learn.

[Stu]

[rquote=2616168&tid=148331&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2616161&tid=148331&author=ProbeEight]Those are all other people who smoke Cannabis. If that is the case, I can say ''next time you drink, think of...'' and so on. The point is beyond absurd. I cant be held responsible for other peoples actions. The fuel people put in there cars come from corrupt regimes. Clothes are made in sweatshops. The vast majority of the worlds cocoa is supplies by dirty trade. Ditto for coffee.

The majority use Cannabis safely. The minority don't. Majority wins. The reason why Cannabis is causing mental illness is because it is grown incorrectly by daft criminals. Government regulation would solve this problem. Case closed.

THC content is irrelevant. What matters is ratio. THC content causes a head 'buzzy' high. Strains lower in THC are more likely to cause sedation. You really do know nothing about this.

You are entitled to all the views you want on Cannabis. But alcohol is more of a danger to society. A nation smoking on a Saturday night would cause less trouble than a nation drinking on that same said night. Anybody can see this. Absolutely anybody. And Cannabis is better off controlled in the hands of the government than by crooks. Just like alcohol prohibition in the 1920's. Learn your history. It did not work then and it is not working now. People are always going to smoke. Lets make it safer for them. Lets put out warnings. Lets ask for mental health clarification certs [voila] and proof of ID. Criminals don't do this. Criminals don't screen.

It really is that simple.[/rquote]

Probe

If you read all the links above and any videos - you will see, like I have told you about 1000 times now.

You are wrong and you need to learn.

You know that data showing people having mental health problems? It was before Skunk and bad Cannabis... makes you wonder...

also makes you wonder how all teh studies relating Cannabis and THC to Psychosis are wrong because you say so.

EVERYTHING IS ABOVE.

Read and learn. [/rquote]
I did read. And again, if Cannabis were controlled and regulated, pre Skunk or not, the government could dump in a whole host of anti anxiety and anti psychosis agents.

And also, once again, we could have incredibly, incredibly strict rules on selling Cannabis, involving proof of age and proof of mental screening, or proof the buyer does not have a severe medical history. Just because I want Cannabis legalized does not mean I am in support of selling it to children in the corner shop, FFS. Not to mention the lack of contaminations. Glass laced Cannabis is going to cause havoc in the long term. Far worse than any existing problems due to Cannabis. Come on, mate. Inhaling glass fiber. Just Google 'Gritweed'. A direct result of illegality.

Still, at least you are trying to argue rationally about the drug itself now, leaving out any tear inducible, fallacious ''smoke a joint and support the rape of young children'' claims. I am glad we have reached this point.

[Stu]

[rquote=2616168&tid=148331&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2616161&tid=148331&author=ProbeEight]Those are all other people who smoke Cannabis. If that is the case, I can say ''next time you drink, think of...'' and so on. The point is beyond absurd. I cant be held responsible for other peoples actions. The fuel people put in there cars come from corrupt regimes. Clothes are made in sweatshops. The vast majority of the worlds cocoa is supplies by dirty trade. Ditto for coffee.

The majority use Cannabis safely. The minority don't. Majority wins. The reason why Cannabis is causing mental illness is because it is grown incorrectly by daft criminals. Government regulation would solve this problem. Case closed.

THC content is irrelevant. What matters is ratio. THC content causes a head 'buzzy' high. Strains lower in THC are more likely to cause sedation. You really do know nothing about this.

You are entitled to all the views you want on Cannabis. But alcohol is more of a danger to society. A nation smoking on a Saturday night would cause less trouble than a nation drinking on that same said night. Anybody can see this. Absolutely anybody. And Cannabis is better off controlled in the hands of the government than by crooks. Just like alcohol prohibition in the 1920's. Learn your history. It did not work then and it is not working now. People are always going to smoke. Lets make it safer for them. Lets put out warnings. Lets ask for mental health clarification certs [voila] and proof of ID. Criminals don't do this. Criminals don't screen.

It really is that simple.[/rquote]

Probe

If you read all the links above and any videos - you will see, like I have told you about 1000 times now.

You are wrong and you need to learn.

You know that data showing people having mental health problems? It was before Skunk and bad Cannabis... makes you wonder...

also makes you wonder how all teh studies relating Cannabis and THC to Psychosis are wrong because you say so.

EVERYTHING IS ABOVE.

Read and learn. [/rquote]
I did read. And again, if Cannabis were controlled and regulated, pre Skunk or not, the government could dump in a whole host of anti anxiety and anti psychosis agents.

And also, once again, we could have incredibly, incredibly strict rules on selling Cannabis, involving proof of age and proof of mental screening, or proof the buyer does not have a severe medical history. Just because I want Cannabis legalized does not mean I am in support of selling it to children in the corner shop, FFS. Not to mention the lack of contaminations. Glass laced Cannabis is going to cause havoc in the long term. Far worse than any existing problems due to Cannabis. Come on, mate. Inhaling glass fiber. Just Google 'Gritweed'. A direct result of illegality.

Still, at least you are trying to argue rationally about the drug itself now, leaving out any tear inducible, fallacious ''smoke a joint and support the rape of young children'' claims. I am glad we have reached this point.

[MassiveTruck]

Watch from 1:51 - this was on the BBC a while back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa6dX1Ok8rY&NR

Take note he talks about run of the mill Cannabis strains with anti-psychotic properties. Google this guy - he has studied Cannabis for years. Move on to where he is

"as recreational cannabis plants are grown for higher THC content so their CBD content (medicinal properties!!!!) falls, simply because the plant is unable (operative word!!) to produce high level of both"

Watch this video and listen to them carefully. I have posted this to you a few times. You have ignored it. It explains to you how Cannabis is made for a THC content so that you get a bigger buzz, a higher buzz. OK?

Listen to it. This also removes the safe guards too.

Now... read the data as well, that prior to skunk and hydroponics there was a 1 in 2, extremely high occurrence of health problems from users. A 1:1 mental health problem from regular users - this was from data pre skunk - pre Cannabis with THC content.

I can't understand why you ignore this. Your only argument is "oh but more people die from alcohol". Of course they do. More people take it. There are 30 thousand regular users. Less and less people take it as they grow older. The vast majority of regular users are in the teens to 25 age group.

You ignore all of this and still think there is some importance to legalising it. Understand, it is only popular amongst people with a monetary benefit from it.

It's all about money but you seem to think it's all about liberty.

It's not. Most people beyond adolescence don't take it...

you know why? You know why this is? This is the crux to all of this. To drug use.
It's because they have a life.

Think about that, the next time you make a post.

Again, all evidence in the first post, but you already knew that, didn't you.

[MassiveTruck]

Watch from 1:51 - this was on the BBC a while back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa6dX1Ok8rY&NR

Take note he talks about run of the mill Cannabis strains with anti-psychotic properties. Google this guy - he has studied Cannabis for years. Move on to where he is

"as recreational cannabis plants are grown for higher THC content so their CBD content (medicinal properties!!!!) falls, simply because the plant is unable (operative word!!) to produce high level of both"

Watch this video and listen to them carefully. I have posted this to you a few times. You have ignored it. It explains to you how Cannabis is made for a THC content so that you get a bigger buzz, a higher buzz. OK?

Listen to it. This also removes the safe guards too.

Now... read the data as well, that prior to skunk and hydroponics there was a 1 in 2, extremely high occurrence of health problems from users. A 1:1 mental health problem from regular users - this was from data pre skunk - pre Cannabis with THC content.

I can't understand why you ignore this. Your only argument is "oh but more people die from alcohol". Of course they do. More people take it. There are 30 thousand regular users. Less and less people take it as they grow older. The vast majority of regular users are in the teens to 25 age group.

You ignore all of this and still think there is some importance to legalising it. Understand, it is only popular amongst people with a monetary benefit from it.

It's all about money but you seem to think it's all about liberty.

It's not. Most people beyond adolescence don't take it...

you know why? You know why this is? This is the crux to all of this. To drug use.
It's because they have a life.

Think about that, the next time you make a post.

Again, all evidence in the first post, but you already knew that, didn't you.

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2616183&tid=148331&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616168&tid=148331&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2616161&tid=148331&author=ProbeEight]Those are all other people who smoke Cannabis. If that is the case, I can say ''next time you drink, think of...'' and so on. The point is beyond absurd. I cant be held responsible for other peoples actions. The fuel people put in there cars come from corrupt regimes. Clothes are made in sweatshops. The vast majority of the worlds cocoa is supplies by dirty trade. Ditto for coffee.

The majority use Cannabis safely. The minority don't. Majority wins. The reason why Cannabis is causing mental illness is because it is grown incorrectly by daft criminals. Government regulation would solve this problem. Case closed.

THC content is irrelevant. What matters is ratio. THC content causes a head 'buzzy' high. Strains lower in THC are more likely to cause sedation. You really do know nothing about this.

You are entitled to all the views you want on Cannabis. But alcohol is more of a danger to society. A nation smoking on a Saturday night would cause less trouble than a nation drinking on that same said night. Anybody can see this. Absolutely anybody. And Cannabis is better off controlled in the hands of the government than by crooks. Just like alcohol prohibition in the 1920's. Learn your history. It did not work then and it is not working now. People are always going to smoke. Lets make it safer for them. Lets put out warnings. Lets ask for mental health clarification certs [voila] and proof of ID. Criminals don't do this. Criminals don't screen.

It really is that simple.[/rquote]

Probe

If you read all the links above and any videos - you will see, like I have told you about 1000 times now.

You are wrong and you need to learn.

You know that data showing people having mental health problems? It was before Skunk and bad Cannabis... makes you wonder...

also makes you wonder how all teh studies relating Cannabis and THC to Psychosis are wrong because you say so.

EVERYTHING IS ABOVE.

Read and learn. [/rquote]
I did read. And again, if Cannabis were controlled and regulated, pre Skunk or not, the government could dump in a whole host of anti anxiety and anti psychosis agents.

And also, once again, we could have incredibly, incredibly strict rules on selling Cannabis, involving proof of age and proof of mental screening, or proof the buyer does not have a severe medical history. Just because I want Cannabis legalized does not mean I am in support of selling it to children in the corner shop, FFS. Not to mention the lack of contaminations. Glass laced Cannabis is going to cause havoc in the long term. Far worse than any existing problems due to Cannabis. Come on, mate. Inhaling glass fiber. Just Google 'Gritweed'. A direct result of illegality.

Still, at least you are trying to argue rationally about the drug itself now, leaving out any tear inducible, fallacious ''smoke a joint and support the rape of young children'' claims. I am glad we have reached this point.[/rquote]

Oh God, it's the old it's the Government's fault again...

is this the same Government you trust in legalising it?

Oh... how bizarre.

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2616183&tid=148331&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616168&tid=148331&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2616161&tid=148331&author=ProbeEight]Those are all other people who smoke Cannabis. If that is the case, I can say ''next time you drink, think of...'' and so on. The point is beyond absurd. I cant be held responsible for other peoples actions. The fuel people put in there cars come from corrupt regimes. Clothes are made in sweatshops. The vast majority of the worlds cocoa is supplies by dirty trade. Ditto for coffee.

The majority use Cannabis safely. The minority don't. Majority wins. The reason why Cannabis is causing mental illness is because it is grown incorrectly by daft criminals. Government regulation would solve this problem. Case closed.

THC content is irrelevant. What matters is ratio. THC content causes a head 'buzzy' high. Strains lower in THC are more likely to cause sedation. You really do know nothing about this.

You are entitled to all the views you want on Cannabis. But alcohol is more of a danger to society. A nation smoking on a Saturday night would cause less trouble than a nation drinking on that same said night. Anybody can see this. Absolutely anybody. And Cannabis is better off controlled in the hands of the government than by crooks. Just like alcohol prohibition in the 1920's. Learn your history. It did not work then and it is not working now. People are always going to smoke. Lets make it safer for them. Lets put out warnings. Lets ask for mental health clarification certs [voila] and proof of ID. Criminals don't do this. Criminals don't screen.

It really is that simple.[/rquote]

Probe

If you read all the links above and any videos - you will see, like I have told you about 1000 times now.

You are wrong and you need to learn.

You know that data showing people having mental health problems? It was before Skunk and bad Cannabis... makes you wonder...

also makes you wonder how all teh studies relating Cannabis and THC to Psychosis are wrong because you say so.

EVERYTHING IS ABOVE.

Read and learn. [/rquote]
I did read. And again, if Cannabis were controlled and regulated, pre Skunk or not, the government could dump in a whole host of anti anxiety and anti psychosis agents.

And also, once again, we could have incredibly, incredibly strict rules on selling Cannabis, involving proof of age and proof of mental screening, or proof the buyer does not have a severe medical history. Just because I want Cannabis legalized does not mean I am in support of selling it to children in the corner shop, FFS. Not to mention the lack of contaminations. Glass laced Cannabis is going to cause havoc in the long term. Far worse than any existing problems due to Cannabis. Come on, mate. Inhaling glass fiber. Just Google 'Gritweed'. A direct result of illegality.

Still, at least you are trying to argue rationally about the drug itself now, leaving out any tear inducible, fallacious ''smoke a joint and support the rape of young children'' claims. I am glad we have reached this point.[/rquote]

Oh God, it's the old it's the Government's fault again...

is this the same Government you trust in legalising it?

Oh... how bizarre.

[Stu]

Drug use and having a life? That is a poor argument. The majority of people use some form of drug.

Why are you still giving me arguments for Cannabis grown with high THC and lambasting me for ignoring you while it is you who are ignoring me? If Cannabis production, like alcohol, were regulated, it would be TOTALLY up to the government what sort of Cannabis to grow and engineer. AND, again, like you have ignored, Cannabis could be sold under extremely strict regulations, so regardless of THC content, vulnerable people would not be able to purchase it over the counter anyway.

You also fall into the trap of mentioning there are only 30,000 regular users. People who smoke Cannabis obsessively, like most people do with cigarettes. In mentioning this, you are, unbeknown to you, pointing out that MOST PEOPLE who use Cannabis do so infrequently. A few spliffs at the weekend perhaps, like Alcohol. It's like me structuring an entire Alcohol argument around the guy on the street who drinks twelve cans a day and applying it to the majority. Cant you see this? Two million smoke it frequently. Two million versus thirty thousand. Repeat that in your head.

And with that, most of your other arguments stem directly from those thirty thousand, forgetting they are the MINORITY. If you had actually had a great knowledge of Cannabis from the START, instead of relying on links to do the work, you would have known all this.

It's so simple!

[Stu]

Drug use and having a life? That is a poor argument. The majority of people use some form of drug.

Why are you still giving me arguments for Cannabis grown with high THC and lambasting me for ignoring you while it is you who are ignoring me? If Cannabis production, like alcohol, were regulated, it would be TOTALLY up to the government what sort of Cannabis to grow and engineer. AND, again, like you have ignored, Cannabis could be sold under extremely strict regulations, so regardless of THC content, vulnerable people would not be able to purchase it over the counter anyway.

You also fall into the trap of mentioning there are only 30,000 regular users. People who smoke Cannabis obsessively, like most people do with cigarettes. In mentioning this, you are, unbeknown to you, pointing out that MOST PEOPLE who use Cannabis do so infrequently. A few spliffs at the weekend perhaps, like Alcohol. It's like me structuring an entire Alcohol argument around the guy on the street who drinks twelve cans a day and applying it to the majority. Cant you see this? Two million smoke it frequently. Two million versus thirty thousand. Repeat that in your head.

And with that, most of your other arguments stem directly from those thirty thousand, forgetting they are the MINORITY. If you had actually had a great knowledge of Cannabis from the START, instead of relying on links to do the work, you would have known all this.

It's so simple!

[Niamh.]

lol, I cant believe you two are still arguing!!!

[Niamh.]

lol, I cant believe you two are still arguing!!!

[Stu]

[rquote=2616251&tid=148331&author=Niamhxo]lol, I cant believe you two are still arguing!!![/rquote]
And in yet ANOTHER thread. Talk about overkill .

[Stu]

[rquote=2616251&tid=148331&author=Niamhxo]lol, I cant believe you two are still arguing!!![/rquote]
And in yet ANOTHER thread. Talk about overkill .

[Niamh.]

I think it's fair to say ye are never, ever, ever, ever going to agree!!!! it's a never ending circle at this stage!! lol

[Niamh.]

I think it's fair to say ye are never, ever, ever, ever going to agree!!!! it's a never ending circle at this stage!! lol

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2616237&tid=148331&author=ProbeEight]Drug use and having a life? That is a poor argument. The majority of people use some form of drug.

Why are you still giving me arguments for Cannabis grown with high THC and lambasting me for ignoring you while it is you who are ignoring me? If Cannabis production, like alcohol, were regulated, it would be TOTALLY up to the government what sort of Cannabis to grow and engineer. AND, again, like you have ignored, Cannabis could be sold under extremely strict regulations, so regardless of THC content, vulnerable people would not be able to purchase it over the counter anyway.

You also fall into the trap of mentioning there are only 30,000 regular users. People who smoke Cannabis obsessively, like most people do with cigarettes. In mentioning this, you are, unbeknown to you, pointing out that MOST PEOPLE who use Cannabis do so infrequently. A few spliffs at the weekend perhaps, like Alcohol. It's like me structuring an entire Alcohol argument around the guy on the street who drinks twelve cans a day and applying it to the majority. Cant you see this? Two million smoke it frequently. Two million versus thirty thousand. Repeat that in your head.

And with that, most of your other arguments stem directly from those thirty thousand, forgetting they are the MINORITY. If you had actually had a great knowledge of Cannabis from the START, instead of relying on links to do the work, you would have known all this.

It's so simple![/rquote]

The 30,000 is based upon clear stats, numerous pieces of data.

Regular in the case of at least weekly.

All information is above.

You keep saying I know nothing but your views on it are nothing more than "oh, people die in cars, let's legalise Cannabis" - sorry but that's simplistic and everything you say, like I have told you is answered with evidence in that first post.

It's clear stubbornness and denial that stop you from accepting that.

Ask yourself, who in their right mind will say that alcohol kills people so let's legalise Cannabis.

What I say isn't picked from the thin air. You live in a very small tiny bubble world if you think that the vast majority of neutral out there like me who base everything from reading and collating information woudl know better if we met somebody who dealt in the drug or believed the nonsense on Cannabis Prohibition websites.

Here's a clue and a very straight forward one.

I go to these pro-cannabis websites and read it and say "what a pile of crap" you know why? Because of Post number one in this thread and the countless other pieces of evidence out there.

That's what you don't accept. You feel there is an elitist high status badge you wear if you want Cannabis legalised.

I say, I've seen people suicidal and struggling with Cannabis and ex-users going around schools telling people not to smoke with the knowledge it funds Sex/Arms and Drugs Trafficking but - hey, you know better than all of those poeple don't you.

You know what I found really hilarious about what you posted in another thread? Was that Cannabis Culture editor who deals in the drug himself and has encouraged money laundering and drug dealing (leading to arms/sex and slave trafficking) as a "casualty" of Cannabis.

It just shows how little you know.

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[rquote=2616237&tid=148331&author=ProbeEight]Drug use and having a life? That is a poor argument. The majority of people use some form of drug.

Why are you still giving me arguments for Cannabis grown with high THC and lambasting me for ignoring you while it is you who are ignoring me? If Cannabis production, like alcohol, were regulated, it would be TOTALLY up to the government what sort of Cannabis to grow and engineer. AND, again, like you have ignored, Cannabis could be sold under extremely strict regulations, so regardless of THC content, vulnerable people would not be able to purchase it over the counter anyway.

You also fall into the trap of mentioning there are only 30,000 regular users. People who smoke Cannabis obsessively, like most people do with cigarettes. In mentioning this, you are, unbeknown to you, pointing out that MOST PEOPLE who use Cannabis do so infrequently. A few spliffs at the weekend perhaps, like Alcohol. It's like me structuring an entire Alcohol argument around the guy on the street who drinks twelve cans a day and applying it to the majority. Cant you see this? Two million smoke it frequently. Two million versus thirty thousand. Repeat that in your head.

And with that, most of your other arguments stem directly from those thirty thousand, forgetting they are the MINORITY. If you had actually had a great knowledge of Cannabis from the START, instead of relying on links to do the work, you would have known all this.

It's so simple![/rquote]

The 30,000 is based upon clear stats, numerous pieces of data.

Regular in the case of at least weekly.

All information is above.

You keep saying I know nothing but your views on it are nothing more than "oh, people die in cars, let's legalise Cannabis" - sorry but that's simplistic and everything you say, like I have told you is answered with evidence in that first post.

It's clear stubbornness and denial that stop you from accepting that.

Ask yourself, who in their right mind will say that alcohol kills people so let's legalise Cannabis.

What I say isn't picked from the thin air. You live in a very small tiny bubble world if you think that the vast majority of neutral out there like me who base everything from reading and collating information woudl know better if we met somebody who dealt in the drug or believed the nonsense on Cannabis Prohibition websites.

Here's a clue and a very straight forward one.

I go to these pro-cannabis websites and read it and say "what a pile of crap" you know why? Because of Post number one in this thread and the countless other pieces of evidence out there.

That's what you don't accept. You feel there is an elitist high status badge you wear if you want Cannabis legalised.

I say, I've seen people suicidal and struggling with Cannabis and ex-users going around schools telling people not to smoke with the knowledge it funds Sex/Arms and Drugs Trafficking but - hey, you know better than all of those poeple don't you.

You know what I found really hilarious about what you posted in another thread? Was that Cannabis Culture editor who deals in the drug himself and has encouraged money laundering and drug dealing (leading to arms/sex and slave trafficking) as a "casualty" of Cannabis.

It just shows how little you know.

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The 30,000 is based upon clear stats, numerous pieces of data.

So is the two million. Thirty thousand is still a smaller number than two million.

"oh, people die in cars, let's legalise Cannabis"

No, not at all. I gave my argument for it being safer legalized. You are ignoring this and making me look like a fool.

Ask yourself, who in their right mind will say that alcohol kills people so let's legalise Cannabis.

No, not at all. I gave my argument for it being safer legalized. You are ignoring this and making me look like a fool.

That's what you don't accept. You feel there is an elitist high status badge you wear if you want Cannabis legalised.

Not at all. I never once said that. Null argument.

I say, I've seen people suicidal and struggling with Cannabis and ex-users going around schools telling people not to smoke with the knowledge it funds Sex/Arms and Drugs Trafficking but - hey, you know better than all of those poeple don't you.

I never once claimed it was 100% safe.

(leading to arms/sex and slave trafficking)

Cannabis would not lead to these things if it were regulated by the government.

It just shows how little you know.

You are the one that completely ignored my last post. Two million frequent users versus 30,000 who use it obsessively. In fact, I think even more than that might use it everyday. I certainly recall the figures being higher. Either way, two million is the majority and it's two million who use it at the same frequency as most people use alcohol.

Strict mental health screening and ID verification. Possibly resulting in registration and license needed to buy Cannabis, making it safer because vulnerable people and thus with a history of mental or physical ailments would be refused purchase.

No Cannabis contamination. Once again, gritweed is going to prove absolutely fatal in the long run. This could stop with legalization.

Voila.