[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010...ely-pcc-ruling

The Press Complaints Commission has rejected a complaint from the partner of Stephen Gately, the Boyzone singer who died suddenly in October, over an article by the Daily Mail columnist Jan Moir.


A victory for common sense and a defeat for new internet liberal hysteria

[Ross]

This was just a debate on The Wright Stuff

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ross

This was just a debate on The Wright Stuff

what was the jist of the debate?

[Ross]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what was the jist of the debate?

That she was being a bit homophobic and making ludacris claims that a "30 odd year old does not just go to sleep and never wake up due to natural causes." but it was proven that he had an undetected heart problem.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ross

That she was being a bit homophobic and making ludacris claims that a "30 odd year old does not just go to sleep and never wake up due to natural causes." but it was proven that he had an undetected heart problem.

what did they say about the threesome when they were "married"?

[Ross]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what did they say about the threesome when they were "married"?

i don't know.

i'd have liked to have been in that threesome.

[Stu]

The bottom line is she more or less directly linked his lifestyle to his death without any knowledge whatsoever. Even if she was right she would still have made that basless judgement.

The silly homophobic cow.

[Ross]

off with her head!

[Stu]

I always thought it would be better and hillarious to just bring her to a popular gay night spot and shove her on to the dance floor.

[Ross]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

I always thought it would be better and hillarious to just bring her to a popular gay night spot and shove her on to the dance floor.

Lol! Yes or do that then everyone will slap her with their cocks.

[BB_Eye]

I'm not bothered whether she gets prosecuted. I wouldn't know where to begin to list all the ridiculous, offensive things the Daily Mail has come up with over the years.

The moment I heard that story about the mother murdering her autistic child, my first thought was "In before the Daily Mail writes an article sympathetic to the murderer and how hard it must have been for her" to say nothing of the lies it's told about the MMR jab's relationship with autism.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

The bottom line is she more or less directly linked his lifestyle to his death without any knowledge whatsoever. Even if she was right she would still have made that basless judgement.

The silly homophobic cow.

No

As i recall she said that there was nothing natural about the circumstances that lead to his death and for 95% of the world that would be right.

Whilst gay people would think so what, married couple bring back guy from bar for sex, that is not what most think and she said what most thought. The PCC agreed.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010...ely-pcc-ruling

The Press Complaints Commission has rejected a complaint from the partner of Stephen Gately, the Boyzone singer who died suddenly in October, over an article by the Daily Mail columnist Jan Moir.


A victory for common sense and a defeat for new internet liberal hysteria

Here is what still annoys me;
If that was Nick Griffin who died - there would be absolutely no end to the horrific jokes, innuendos, slurs, insinuations and not only 'equally bad' as this case but far far worse,
yet,
not a single question over 'freedom of speech' or any question would be made over censoring anything.
It would not even be hinted at as any sort of discussion.

Now btw.. I am not saying I want that and I am not 'touting' Nick Griffin either (and disagree with him on some issues),
but,
What really annoys me is that this even has to be a discussion but only if it comes to the chosen and exclusive PC-Police 'ordained limits and topics' and what protects 'social liberal leftist' types causes or sympathies.

Why don't we just allow any and all free speech and ALSO that includes anyone wanting to tell our rude and tasteless speakers to shut the **** up and then freely discuss why they were wrong to insult (name person or cause),
and,
in the case of speech grossly offensive then good - ALLOW them to embarrass and expose themselves.
Then 'vote' with your ears or attendance too.

People think I am exaggerating when I say that the UK has become as uncomfortably 'Big Brother' (as in the horror novel not programme) and as 'thought policed' as Communist China.
I was in both recently.
I am not exaggerating when I say the UK is LESS free in so many areas and going the wrong way.
China is actually becoming MORE free in so many areas and going the right way.
Seriously.
Its damn creepy with you people and you better damn well stop and take a look at yourselves.
Oh.. well you do.. on CCTV soon to be in your homes monitoring your racism I suppose.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No

As i recall she said that there was nothing natural about the circumstances that lead to his death and for 95% of the world that would be right.

Whilst gay people would think so what, married couple bring back guy from bar for sex, that is not what most think and she said what most thought. The PCC agreed.

It had nothing to do with his death though. It was an assumption. Bottom line.

Being a pervy old swinger does not automatically kill you within a matter of hours. It just makes you a pervy old swinger.

She also said this was a blow to those who touted the 'myth of the safe gay lifestyle'. Horsesh!t.





To the above post : Whilst I disagree with what said stupid cow said, I would not make any attempt to stop her from saying it. Only your argument falls at the hurdle of it being misinformation, which tarnishes her ~freedom of speechez! backup somewhat. I believe journalists of major papers should at least be held to a certain standard. Like ... you know ... basing things on correct information. It's their job. If my job is flipping burgers and I don't flip burgers - I get fired.

If she wants to rant misinformed bullsh!t then she could have just blogged like the rest of us.

But hey, it is the Daily Mail.

As for the lolocaust Nick Griffin comparison, your right, nobody would care. Because he is a fucking nazi. That's the way the world works, son. If your a sh!tlicking nazi you have to accept certain formalities. One of them being rational thinking people having nil respect for you in life or in death.

[ElProximo]

In all seriousness - I wonder if the guy died from damage caused by whatever drugs are so prevalent in the gay sex scenes?
Cocaine maybe but I hear that Meth is a huge thing with the gays now and what is this thing 'poppers' supposed to be?

I ask because it reminded me of late comedian Chris Farley who also died in this 30s from 'heart problems'.
Well yes.. you can say that he did of 'natural causes' from a heart problem but you know.. of course that heart problem is directly from being on a non-stop drug-fueled party for 48 hours in a row type of thing.

So anyone know the 'inside story' here?

[Crimson Dynamo]

lolocaust?

i am having that


I think the big story for the Moir article was the hysterical internet baying mob whipped up over very little and how judge and jury it became. The decision is a good one.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

In all seriousness - I wonder if the guy died from damage caused by whatever drugs are so prevalent in the gay sex scenes?
Cocaine maybe but I hear that Meth is a huge thing with the gays now and what is this thing 'poppers' supposed to be?

I ask because it reminded me of late comedian Chris Farley who also died in this 30s from 'heart problems'.
Well yes.. you can say that he did of 'natural causes' from a heart problem but you know.. of course that heart problem is directly from being on a non-stop drug-fueled party for 48 hours in a row type of thing.

So anyone know the 'inside story' here?

Only Cannabis showed up in the autopsy. Try again, homophobe.

Cocaine and Methamphetamine are big in the gay scene only in the same vein that they are big in any clubbing scene.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Only Cannabis showed up in the autopsy. Try again, homophobe.

Cocaine and Methamphetamine are big in the gay scene only in the same vein that they are big in any clubbing scene.

Cocaine and Methamphetamine in the same vein?


no wonder he died

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Cocaine and Methamphetamine in the same vein?


no wonder he died

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Cocaine and Methamphetamine are big in the gay scene only in the same vein that they are big in any clubbing scene.

Don't be so ignorant of the gay lifestyle. 'Per Capita' the drug use and abuse is WAY HIGHER than any other subculture you can think of.
Except maybe heroin addicts.

Stop being homophobic and learn to accept that drug use is part of their lifestyle.
Who are you to judge them for it?
Gays love cocaine and meth and its not for you to decide what they love.

[Beastie]

Gays love poppers

[Stu]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Don't be so ignorant of the gay lifestyle. 'Per Capita' the drug use and abuse is WAY HIGHER than any other subculture you can think of.
Except maybe heroin addicts.

Stop being homophobic and learn to accept that drug use is part of their lifestyle.
Who are you to judge them for it?
Gays love cocaine and meth and its not for you to decide what they love.

Drug users themselves are a subculture. Stoners are a subculture. Heroin junkies are a subculture. These subcultures contain straight, gay, bi people, you name it. Your nothing more than a silly little troll. Posting uninformed mess after uninformed mess. Like I already told you, and like you promptly ignored : No traces of any drugs bar Alcohol and Cannabis were found in the autopsy.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Tibb gets worse by the week

[rapunza1977]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No

As i recall she said that there was nothing natural about the circumstances that lead to his death and for 95% of the world that would be right.

Whilst gay people would think so what, married couple bring back guy from bar for sex, that is not what most think and she said what most thought. The PCC agreed.

most folk? no it was a stupid artcle.

plenty married hetrosexuals take part in threesomes who cares. eash to their own and let it be.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Drug users themselves are a subculture. Stoners are a subculture. Heroin junkies are a subculture. These subcultures contain straight, gay, bi people, you name it. Your nothing more than a silly little troll. Posting uninformed mess after uninformed mess. Like I already told you, and like you promptly ignored : No traces of any drugs bar Alcohol and Cannabis were found in the autopsy.

Uh no, you don't get it. Also, you are no spokesman for the gay subculture,
and,
you are just some knee-jerk reactionary with a simple mindset who thinks you should deny anything that 'makes you feel bad about gays' somehow. If someone said gays put penis's in their mouths you would instantly refute it by saying "Oh no.. people do that.. gays are just some of them.. so there!".
The reality is different than your made-up stories.
The gay 'subculture' IS one where drug use and abuse is not just more 'per capita' but it is more use by 'each person' than most other demographics. Often by a huge margin.
It IS hard to pin down 'scientific studies' on illegal and underground activity but the better research puts it as about:
20 times more drugs on average than the normal males.

But of course some of us don't need to play 'internet statistics' anyways. We lived in areas with gay clubs and scenes and have friends and family that worked or played in those circles.
The drug use is astonishing.
I know Meth was a very popular one because the idea here is that it can keep you awake and hyper-horny for long periods of time.
For a lot of gays this means many more lovers and more frequently in a given 'party weekend'.
Having gay sex is the whole point of being gay.

I have to give gays credit where it is due - on the whole they seem to have a very high tolerance level and are pretty good to be 'functional' drug-addicts and users.
They will get to work on Mondays. They may also look like hell warmed over, have horrific and inattentive attitudes/hangovers,
but,
people just think its because they are like 'bitchy women' and think they are weird anyways so they seem to get a pass more than others,
but,
to their credit they do handle their massive drug intakes better than other groups overall.

Get real. Go LEARN about subcultures FIRST and then you can come here and try and 'educate'.