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LeatherTrumpet · 18-04-2010, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

No these Kenya brand are Sweet
we can no produce them in the UK

buy British produce ffs

beans from kenya?

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Shasown · 18-04-2010, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

No these Kenya brand are Sweet
we can no produce them in the UK

No so you would rather pay Asda Walmart for them to buy them from Kenya, without knowing anything about production ethics costs or values.

Nice you got to love that, all so you get a sweet out of season vegetable. Hell yes lets ship em in, just so Arista can have them scattered about his living unit as a green carpet.

arista · 18-04-2010, 03:36 PM

Yes they are Cheaper than any UK one
that is why they Fly them in.

Welcome to The Real World

arista · 18-04-2010, 03:39 PM

"about production ethics costs or value"

I know for Fact that those Afican Farmers are
now in big trouble as they can not transport the Stock
it is going off.

When you go to AsdaWalmart
you can get better than M&S Quality
and less price.

Ethics
do not come into this

Harry! · 18-04-2010, 03:47 PM

Tesco Fresh Snap Kenya Beans are the best x

Shasown · 18-04-2010, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

"about production ethics costs or value"

I know for Fact that those Afican Farmers are
now in big trouble as they can not transport the Stock
it is going off.

When you go to AsdaWalmart
you can get better than M&S Quality
and less price.

Ethics
do not come into this

Of course ethics come into it, want to know why its cheaper to grow and ship from Kenya? M&S actually source all their products and as far as possible ensure its producers at least meet FairTrade standards, Asda and Tescos definately dont in fact the opposite, they dont care so long as the product is cheap enough and of decent quality.

heres a little clue in order to reduce spoillage the product is sprayed with chemicals the people doing the spraying have no protective equipment.

In order to make a quicker ripening crop some companies use prohibited chemicals, after the beans have been harvested they burn the crop as opposed to cutting it, this in turn produces a chemical smog that drifts for miles.
The producers do not give contracts to its workers ( they employ only temporay workers )
to avoid cases of compensation caused by chemicals in the beans they tend and pick, and in turn avoid social responsibility payment of health and pension funds.

So fine arista you go for your asda sweet beans just dont worry about the exploitation of overseas workers to ensure you get a really cheap product( oh and the supermarket getting a really big profit). Life in the Fast Lane eh?

arista · 18-04-2010, 04:09 PM

"the exploitation of overseas workers to ensure you get a really cheap product"

Without us buying the African Products
they will be more poor.
They have Jobs
that is what matters in Africa.

And 50p for Kenya Sweet Snap beans (Brought in fast by Air - making them Uttra Fresh)
is better than Tesco prices or any other Supermarket
AsdaWalmart are the UK best Value Store.

Sign Of The Times.

LeatherTrumpet · 18-04-2010, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

"the exploitation of overseas workers to ensure you get a really cheap product"

Without us buying the African Products
they will be more poor.
They have Jobs
that is what matters in Africa.

And 50p for Kenya Sweet Snap beans (Brought in fast by Air - making them Uttra Fresh)
is better than Tesco prices or any other Supermarket
AsdaWalmart are the UK best Value Store.

Sign Of The Times.

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/env...s-and-old.html

Shasown · 18-04-2010, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

"the exploitation of overseas workers to ensure you get a really cheap product"

Without us buying the African Products
they will be more poor.
They have Jobs
that is what matters in Africa.

And 50p for Kenya Sweet Snap beans (Brought in fast by Air - making them Uttra Fresh)
is better than Tesco prices or any other Supermarket
AsdaWalmart are the UK best Value Store.

Sign Of The Times.

Ah the logic of a child, Asda Walmart are a US owned store, tescos and M&S are UK owned.

In the not too distant future when parafin is ultra expensive how will you get the produce form africa to asda fruit and veg aisle? Enjoy it while you can.

The kenyans may have a job currently, but that job has no long term viability as long as greedy selfish consumers like yourself insist that cost is their foremost consideration when selecting a product from overseas.

arista · 18-04-2010, 04:25 PM

Asda Walmart are a US owned

Yes So what.
Every Electrics in you home are from China.

Shasown · 18-04-2010, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

Asda Walmart are a US owned

Yes So what.
Every Electrics in you home are from China.

Dont be silly.

(Make up your mind, because if US ownership is good in this thread dont be slagging old GB for allowing more of it it another thread.)

US companies are mostly profit driven and not particularly either driven by ethics or environmantal concerns, so continue to buy from them.

However in a few months time when A-W are shown to be exploiting some Nigerian milkman or Mongolian cameldung collectors, it will be pointless blaming the government or the people in charge of asda walmart.

Blame yourself for buying from them and contributing to their exploitation of overseas workers, when there are no more high street shops left to compete with them, blame yourself because you wouldnt buy British. When there are no British farms producing British produce, blame yourself for buying cheaper overseas products and not seasonal British produce.

arista · 18-04-2010, 04:46 PM

"US companies are mostly profit driven"

Sure

So are British Evil Tesco.

Shasown · 18-04-2010, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

"US companies are mostly profit driven"

Sure

So are British Evil Tesco.

Didnt say they werent, however they are more ethical, same as M&S and The Co-op.

You should buy british though if you want the best for britain, Boycott the US imperialist foodchain asdawalmart. Buy from Good old British Co op M&S and Tesco, to truly make Britain great again.

arista · 18-04-2010, 05:02 PM

No
Tesco are Evil Land Grabbers.

Shasown · 18-04-2010, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

No
Tesco are Evil Land Grabbers.

PMSL

You do amuse me Arista. Come on then how are Tesco land grabbers? Enlighten us why they alone should be singled out for this honour from you as opposed to their rivals?

arista · 18-04-2010, 05:34 PM

"Enlighten us "

Whats all this "Us"
just you stuck in bad ethics.

Shasown · 18-04-2010, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

"Enlighten us "

Whats all this "Us"
just you stuck in bad ethics.

Okay then enlighten me! (But there are two of us sharing this computer chair at the moment).

Incidentally, you are the one saying that we are in an emergency because of airplanes being grounded, you wont be able to get your cheap green beans from asda. Hardly a great emergency, as I stated earlier the only industry losing money within the uk to any great extent is tourist and travel. You stated incorrectly we would soon be starving. I pointed out the vast majority of our food imports comes in by container ship. So where is this crisis or emergency?

arista · 18-04-2010, 05:50 PM

So where is this crisis or emergency?

That comes a days move on.

arista · 18-04-2010, 05:52 PM

"You stated incorrectly we would soon be starving"

Stop changing Wording
As time goes on
we "could" run out of Food.

Shasown · 18-04-2010, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

"You stated incorrectly we would soon be starving"

Stop changing Wording
As time goes on
we "could" run out of Food.

And the end result of running out of food would be stavation would it not?

However that isnt going to happen, its only highly perishable foodstuffs that are shipped in by air, less than 1% of the UK's total food imports.

If the airlines stay grounded indefinately all that happens is we loose some of the choice of non uk seasonal vegetables, no great loss, it would reduce the carbon emmissions caused by air freight. Air freight creates 177 times more CO2 than shipping simialr weights. So its swings and roundabouts isnt it?

Be a bit like living in the 70's what with all the strikes preventing foodstuffs being imported or delivered to your local store. A sharp dose of reality for a lot of people too reliant on modern day conveniences.

In other words the green beans you get at your beloved ASDA may not always be available however you will be able to buy European and UK grown green beans over a slightly shorter period.

arista · 18-04-2010, 08:10 PM

"less than 1%"

No thats wrong.

arista · 18-04-2010, 08:11 PM

arista · 18-04-2010, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

buy British produce ffs

beans from kenya?

l
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f
l

I buy British Veg & Fruit
but some Veg & Fruit
needs Hotter Sunshine
like South African Grapes.

Shasown · 18-04-2010, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

"less than 1%"

No thats wrong.

Of course i am, i just made it up, so did

http://www.thegrocer.co.uk/articles....cles&ID=122920
"Fewer than 1% of food imports in 2006 came by air, though air freight accounted for 15% of carbon emissions from food transport, it added in an update on ...
"
as did the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/food_matters/foodmiles.shtml
"Although air-freighted produce accounts for less than one per cent of total UK food miles, it is responsible for around 11 per cent of the total CO2 emissions from UK food transport."

so did the UK Government

https://statistics.defra.gov.uk/esg/...ca%20trade.pdf

Whilst air freight accounts for about 22.7% of uk imports and exports, that is goods inbound and outbound, food imports by air are very small.(thats value not quantity)

Top tip for you though Arista, buy as much as you can, blanch (2mins in boiling water) it then freeze it in usable amounts, you could fill up your whole freezer with it and outlast the possible crisis.