[stoney]

ves,

I'm old and not too good with comps whats this "search" your on about?

I hope Govan goes cos he, like shabby, bring nothing to the house I wanna see and while they are wasting the HL progs we get less of a chance to see any fun from the other decent inmates

[stoney]

one last time tho befor eI gotta go to work.........what is this betrayal you are going on about that has cost him the support of dave, SS and JJ and how do they know of this "betrayal" ?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by stoney

ves,

I'm old and not too good with comps whats this "search" your on about?

I hope Govan goes cos he, like shabby, bring nothing to the house I wanna see and while they are wasting the HL progs we get less of a chance to see any fun from the other decent inmates

I'm sorry, I posted the other reply before I saw you ask that.

If you look at the right of the forum you will see a search button that allows you to make keyword searches of the topics.

If have no luck with that you should be able to go 1 or 2 pages back and see threads about the same thing, mostly from lats night as it happened.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by vesavius

the thing is I have, repeatedly... just search on it.

I just don't see why I have to continously retype it for every person that enters the conversation late.



Honestly, answer me this... why do you think JJ, SS, and Dave are now saying they don't trust Ben?

PMSL,classic,why should we search?IF Ben has been as bad as you say ,it would be easy for you to back up your claim.and if you search for anything Ben has said nasty you will be serching a very long time,that reminds me has Starry got back with her evidence yet?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by stoney

one last time tho befor eI gotta go to work.........what is this betrayal you are going on about that has cost him the support of dave, SS and JJ and how do they know of this "betrayal" ?

oh ok lol

Ben continously led SS to believe he was her friend in week 1, and then nommed her.

Ben told Shabby about it last night in an effort to curry favour with her, and Shabby told everyone.

Ben's group, except Mario, voiced their distrust and dissaproval of his two facedness.

is the very short version :P

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by kazanne

PMSL,classic,why should we search?IF Ben has been as bad as you say ,it would be easy for you to back up your claim.and if you search for anything Ben has said nasty you will be serching a very long time,that reminds me has Starry got back with her evidence yet?

why should I repeat myself because you can't be arsed to do your own leg work in an effort to understand the situation?

Stoney I get, she obviously didnt know about the function, but c'mon... do your own work. All you have to do is read some threads dating from last night fgs.

[stoney]

Originally Posted by vesavius

oh ok lol

Ben continously led SS to believe he was her friend in week 1, and then nommed her.

Ben told Shabby about it last night in an effort to curry favour with her, and Shabby told everyone.

Ben's group, except Mario, voiced their distrust and dissaproval of his two facedness.

is the very short version :P

How long had they been in before nominating and did Ben not make it clear he was unhappy at nominating his friend but that she was annoying everyone so much that there was little choice?
Was ben that friendly with SS before noms or did they get closer after noms when the rest were shunning her so much, cos that's the way i remember it?

Do you have as much hate for shabby for betraying a person or does it not matter cos its ben

It looks , to me , that the producers are manipulating us all again as they are the inmates with the editing, even of the live stuff. Shabby can talk in code about noms every week and gets away with it. She can break rulkes and receive no punishment. She can be aggressive throwing tables around just missing an inmate and get no punishment. In fact she got a reward of Ben thinking she was onside with him and Caoimhe disliking ben even more for it. Why didnt they show ben and the rest how devious SHE wa sbeing? . She gets a "task to save" that just so happens to be a scooter task and she even said herself on live feed that she regularly used one up till a wee while ago (that was missed on HL) and gets saved. And then BB's get everyone against Ben her arch rival who thought that ACTRESS Shabby was actually being genuine with huim.

I'm away to make a call to evict Govan again for that

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by vesavius

why should I repeat myself because you can't be arsed to do your own leg work in an effort to understand the situation?

Stoney I get, she obviously didnt know about the function, but c'mon... do your own work. All you have to do is read some threads dating from last night fgs.

Nah,sorry that's a cop out,you cannot actually post anything bad he has said off your head?,LOL the situation as i see it is that Ben is the scapegoat for them,all he is guilty of is trusting people and confiding in them,do you not think it far worse how some of the housemates have treated him? he is allowed to nom who he wants as most of the others nommed her anyway,she was annoying that week,He was getting to know her and maybe thought she would be a friend and as it turns out he did not nom her this week,she was a pain that first week and she was not so friendly towards him,so good on the bloke ,nominate those who annoy you the most and that is what he has done.The only thing Ben did wrong was to think of her or anyone as a friend after just one week.Ben is a people pleaser but some people you just cannot please.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Nah,sorry that's a cop out,you cannot actually post anything bad he has said off your head?

ofc I can, but I'm not your dad.. go do your own leg work.

It's not my job to keep you up to date with the contents of posted threads.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by vesavius

ofc I can, but I'm not your dad.. go do your own leg work.

It's not my job to keep you up to date with the contents of posted threads.

Gotcha !!!

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Gotcha !!!

hrm?

[InOne]

Ben is very maipulative. He knows what he is doing. He is 30 for god sake.

[fingers]

Ben is way too naive for his own good, he thinks JJ and Dave are "friends" but they repeatedly stab him in the back and snipe at him AND he still thinks of them as friends!

[Chels]

Idk about the OP cos I can't be arsed to read it but last night once it was the argument was finished he kept bringing it back up and that's why I'm going off him, he tries to redeem himself all the time even though it's too late and he should have thought about his actions before he did them. I felt sorry for him when they all attacked him though but I thought Nathan well and truly told him what a lot of us were thinking.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by fingers

Ben is way too naive for his own good, he thinks JJ and Dave are "friends" but they repeatedly stab him in the back and snipe at him AND he still thinks of them as friends!

I agree .hes naive and not nasty

[fingers]

BTW how come HE was the only one to take the Flak for this??

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...ations/play.c4

[fingers]

BTW how come HE was the only one to take the Flak for this??

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...ations/play.c4

[fingers]

Where has the "delete" command gone?

[bansheewails]

Apparently, going by the conversation on LF with Sunshine and Ben last night, when BB announced that the shopping budget was gone because Shabby and Govan used code to nominate Mario for the swap task, Shabby and Govan said they were unaware that it counted as nominations. Nearly all the other housemates agreed that they too didn't know that it counted as nominations and comisserated with Shabby and Govan.

Some how it came to JJ's and sunshines attention (don;t know how I missed that bit) that ben had nominated Sunshine in week one. Everyone of the Group (APART FROM mARIO) then had a go at Ben for nominating a friend. The actual reason for the losing the shopping budget had no bearing on the arguement as far as I could make out.

Hope that helps!

[calyman]

Originally Posted by vesavius

and who judges they are valid? you?

thats is exactly my point... you basically claim every point made against your opinion is invalid and then just repeat the same old thing.

Like I say, it's just an old tactic for shutting down the opposing Pov before you have to address it. You can't debate against someone who's only real stance is 'everything you say isnt valid because it has been said before'.

I've repeatedly asked you to give valid examples, which stand on their own accord, like mine did. You've repeatedly failed to do so. I also agree, you are just repeating the same old claims without introducing any real examples.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

How the hell are they "manky skanks," and why is one girl's crush on another a "sleezy faux lezzie affaire"?

^
Are you dodging the question calyman?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by calyman

I've repeatedly asked you to give valid examples, which stand on their own accord, like mine did. You've repeatedly failed to do so. I also agree, you are just repeating the same old claims without introducing any real examples.

Just go and re read what I have typed.. reading comprehension is a valuable skill.

When you show some understanding, even if not agreement, of what I am saying we can continue.

[calyman]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

^
Are you dodging the question calyman?

Why would you think I would "dodge" the question. To answer it, I don't think this is some "girlish crush" upon anaother. This is sexual predation which has a desperate air about it, the object of her affections may be abusing this predation by leading the skank on but is nevertheless emotionally unequiped to deal with the turmoil this is causing the skank.

It is not healthy, wholesome or in any way natural, unlike the innocent bromance going on between Mario and Ben.

I don't like scabby, I am appalled by her abuse and selfish self regarding "right" to fly into emotional and abusive histrionics at the drop of a hat. She has no social skills, save that of an abuser and manipulator.

I hope that answers your query?

[calyman]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Just go and re read what I have typed.. reading comprehension is a valuable skill.

When you show some understanding, even if not agreement, of what I am saying we can continue.

There's the rub. I have re3ad your many repeated posts all saying the same thing, precisely nothing! You have been repeatedly asked by myself and many others to show concrete examples of your claims. You have consistently been unavle to do so. a new diversion you are employing is to say you have made many and various posts giving this evidence and suggesting people "search " for it. In short, you have evaded posting any such evidence, claiming that you do not want to repeatedly post (the now acknowledged) unsubstantive evidence. all you have to do is post something new, yet you are more concerned with wasting your and others time by saying you refuse to do so. If you do indeed have such time to waste then I (yawn) again ask you to post substantive evidence which baqcks up your repeated claims which are becoming very tiresome to constantly read.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by calyman

There's the rub. I have re3ad your many repeated posts all saying the same thing, precisely nothing!

then you obviously have not understood.

I havent read the rest of your post here, I'm sorry.