[Tamtam]

Originally Posted by stonedape

This is true, but the word cult has picked up some Jonestown et al baggage since the term's become popular, and I don't know if I'd go so far as to call Dave's little group a cult.

It is though, as has been said, by definiton. I have been reading up on it after following some of the links and looking for myself and I don't like what I see.

I looked deeper into what these people do and I couldnt find one positive contribution to their community at all, just a lot of self indulgent parties, bragging about sitting on the sofa being 'drunk', and requests for money. It didnt sit well with me at all.

If someone can show me something good that they have achieved with the money the 'church' makes then I will re look at my opinion.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Tamtam

It is though, as has been said, by definiton. I have been reading up on it after following some of the links and looking for myself and I don't like what I see.

I looked deeper into what these people do and I couldnt find one positive contribution to their community at all, just a lot of self indulgent parties, bragging about sitting on the sofa being 'drunk', and requests for money. It didnt sit well with me at all.

If someone can show me something good that they have achieved with the money the 'church' makes then I will re look at my opinion.

Fair comments - not the usual, blind, uninformed hate! Makes a refreshing change!

[stoney]

Originally Posted by Tamtam

I have changed my mind again on Dave, I am sorry to say that I have to retract my OP. I have done some reading and watch a few videos, and I have to say I don't like the man behind the BB face that he shows us, or what he stands for.

It's sad when a favourite HM turns out to be not what you thought they were

New favourite- Andrew!

have you done the same background check on Andrew

if not it seems a bitty unfair on Dave dont ya think

[Tamtam]

Originally Posted by stoney

have you done the same background check on Andrew

if not it seems a bitty unfair on Dave dont ya think

No, but I will if the same doubts are raised.

Why, have you any links to show me that suggest he isnt the man that he is pretending to be inside the house?

[stoney]

I dont think he is pretending anything

he is just as you see him warts and all same as all the other inmates.

have you checked Josie's history?
Ben's male escort stuff?
JJ's old love life?
keeleys WAG tendencies?
etc
etc

it just seems to me a little unfair to judge some people by their actions in the house and others thru the perception from vidoes of their life outside

[Tamtam]

Originally Posted by stoney

I dont think he is pretending anything

he is just as you see him warts and all same as all the other inmates.

have you checked Josie's history?
Ben's male escort stuff?
JJ's old love life?
keeleys WAG tendencies?
etc
etc

it just seems to me a little unfair to judge some people by their actions in the house and others thru the perception from vidoes of their life outside

No, but like I say I will if you have links to proof that causes me to doubt them. Have you any?

[stoney]

sorry, I'm not explaining myself too clearly

I just think you are being a little unfair judging Dave from what you have seen and read, probably from people that dont like his "cult", but are happy to take all the others at face value simply cos they dont have a public face for you to view

[Tamtam]

Originally Posted by stoney

sorry, I'm not explaining myself too clearly

I just think you are being a little unfair judging Dave from what you have seen and read, probably from people that dont like his "cult", but are happy to take all the others at face value simply cos they dont have a public face for you to view

No, I get what you are saying I promise, but I only question on what I see is all, and I have seen Dave's cult just indulging themselves and asking for money. That has effected my opinion on him and his followers and I think thats entirely fair to be honest.

If anyone can post links to any good works they do with the money they make I gladly revise my outlook

[Peter Plunker]

I don't have a link but they did get £20,000 for some Bulgarian gypsy pastors, I was there. Bear in mind Dave doesn't run a church, he works along side churches. The core of his ministry is to get people to enjoy God and to believe in the miracilous, the supernatural. The wheelchair thing was just to put the point over that our efforts aren't neccessary and that it's God that that does the miracles. It was a play on words. There's a large ministry called 'operation mobilization' Dave was pointing that we don't need to mobilise ourselves, he said he wanted to start a ministry called 'operation immobilisation'.

[fingers]

I'd be interested in a LINK to that £20,000 donation!

St. Dave is nothing more than a hypocritical Charlatan living off the fat of the land and enjoying his numerous junkets to far away expensive places all paid for by "donations" to his "church" (The one he dreamed up as a cash cow)

The only links you are liable to find on this thread are the ones that show St Dave for what he is!

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker

I don't have a link but they did get £20,000 for some Bulgarian gypsy pastors, I was there. Bear in mind Dave doesn't run a church, he works along side churches. The core of his ministry is to get people to enjoy God and to believe in the miracilous, the supernatural. The wheelchair thing was just to put the point over that our efforts aren't neccessary and that it's God that that does the miracles. It was a play on words. There's a large ministry called 'operation mobilization' Dave was pointing that we don't need to mobilise ourselves, he said he wanted to start a ministry called 'operation immobilisation'.

No link = didnt happen.


I have said before also that I hate the core message of 'don't think, don't get involved, don't do anything, just get drunk', and this here just seems more of that.

I agree with the poster above.. all he seems to do is sit on his sofa and get 'drunk', go on holidays to get 'drunk', sell some dodgy merchandise on his website about how you can be as ineffectual and lazy as him while being 'drunk', and ask for donations (while 'drunk', of course).