[ibook4113]

I think john James is portrayed badly. Is no-one taking into consideration that he is from another country where there may be different values.
On the channel 4 site at the moment it implies that Josie was one in power to give forgiveness but she was the one that insulted him. And because John James views her as his best friend he feels betrayed when she insults him. The fact that steve said it first is irrelevant as John James (and any normal person) would expect their best friend to be more loyal to them than any other person. (It is not weakness on the part of John James that he didn't pick up on steve insulting him because he doesn't consider Steve his best friend). Josie was in the wrong, Josie gave out an insult, and John james responded out of feeling betrayed.
From what i see John James used to get easily annoyed and break into arguments (with Rachel) but he realised what he was doing and changed. I think everyone believes he argues because he is judged by his looks to be an over-opinionated bullying man. But that isn't the case he never used to look that way, people seem to have forgotten that he said himself he used to be teased by the popular girls for being too skinny, and i think he changed the way he looked to make himself more widely (to public eye) attractive.
The fact that big brother portray him as a bully is hugely annoying, Davina was never able to state her opinion on the housemates but since being a big mouth presenter she has become more opinionated.

Josie on the other hand seems to pick and choose when she is insulted by things based on random events. She insulted him this time out of Jealousy of Keeley (who she believed John James had started flirting with) which isn't good but understandable (she has issues just as john james has). However her lying at him is an insult and is particularly bad when you realise how loyal John James is. Josie laughing is also insulting and rude baring in mind she would finds just a bad stare to be insulting. (Another thing misread in John James, he is from Australia, sun means squinting and low eyebrows, he looks like he is giving a bad stare because he lives in a sunny country).
I really want to like Josie more because she can be funny, but if she continues as she is with john james I will dislike her more and more.

I really hope they sort their issues out, both of them, but my opinion of Josie has dropped alot.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

good post

my opinion on JJ and Josie has not changed since the start

JJ has gotten plenty of +10s throughtout the show

Josie has got plenty of -10s thoughtout the show

Keeley to win <<<<< this is my new favourite smiley

[flamingGalah!]

Utter bo**cks...

I'm from Australia & I don't treat women like sh*t....

His arrogance & horrible behaviour has nothing to do with being Australian!

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Utter bo**cks...

I'm from Australia & I don't treat women like sh*t....

His arrogance & horrible behaviour has nothing to do with being Australian!

neither does JJ

[Mystic Mock]

actually my source told me that she didnt say crab eyes the way john james thought,she only repeated what steve had said but he wont argue on steve because he will be scared of what the public will think of him.

[ibook4113]

he isn't arrogant and he doesn't treat women badly, he is easily annoyed by them because his earlier life was made hell by the good looking women.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

neither does JJ

Your love for him has clearly blinkered your vision...

He is a woman hating, aggressive, argumentative twat...

[ibook4113]

the fact he is australian makes him better, i think his loyalty probably comes from australia.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by ibook4113

he isn't arrogant and he doesn't treat women treat he is easily annoyed by them because his earlier life was made hell by the good looking women.

LOL!!!!

Some of you people do make me chuckle...

And because he was picked on by pretty girls in primary school, that now gives him the right to treat pretty girls like sh*t?? Don't talk silly...

He should get the ****** over it & grow up...

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by ibook4113

the fact he is australian makes him better, i think his loyalty probably comes from australia.

What's being from Australia got to do with anything?? Please explain...

[ibook4113]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Your love for him has clearly blinkered your vision...

He is a woman hating, aggressive, argumentative twat...

Hardly! he has been insulted by Josie far more than he insulted josie. Just because he is male he is getting portrayed as the bully. HE IS NOT A BULLY.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by ibook4113

Hardly! he has been insulted by Josie far more than he insulted josie. Just because he is male he is getting portrayed as the bully. HE IS NOT A BULLY.

I was thinking more of how he treated Rachael... But yes the way he treats Josie who is supposed to be his best friend in there shows you just how vile he really is...

[ibook4113]

The people in the house (and some outside) think he is a bully argumentative and treats women badly. (an english point of view)
He doesn't reat women like '****' that is rediculous, he has arguments with them but he doesn't walk all over them like some people do.

his sence of LOYALTY comes from australia.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

actually my source told me that she didnt say crab eyes the way john james thought,she only repeated what steve had said but he wont argue on steve because he will be scared of what the public will think of him.

it started on the bench
he was saying why do you mention crab eyes in front newbies
Josie said what's the big deal with me sayin crab eyes
during the conversation she was calling him a ***** and weirdo as well, but that's ok i guess
JJ said "oh callin me crab eyes, that's alright, so If I called you Josie 5 chins, would that be alright"

same as few weeks ago Josie and Govan takin the piss out of JJ. he said if you dont stop ill start back. Then when he took the piss back Josie starts suckin her thumb and playin the victim, conveniently forgetting she was taking the piss out of him first.

[ibook4113]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

I was thinking more of how he treated Rachael... But yes the way he treats Josie who is supposed to be his best friend in there shows you just how vile he really is...

He realised he had done the wrong thing with Rachel , you could see the remorse on his face. And rachel wasn't anyway. Davina tried to make he seem like she had improved in her interview but she clearly hadn't the way she looked at the camera and other people the whole time as if she was the worlds best gift.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by ibook4113

Hardly! he has been insulted by Josie far more than he insulted josie. Just because he is male he is getting portrayed as the bully. HE IS NOT A BULLY.

1. yes he has insaulted josie more fact,because if you count them then you will know that im right.

2. just because shes female dosent mean shes wrong and yes john james can be a bully.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

1. yes he has insaulted josie more fact,because if you count them then you will know that im right.

2. just because shes female dosent mean shes wrong and yes john james can be a bully.

I guarantee you Josie has insulted JJ WAY more times than JJ insulted her.

[ibook4113]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

it started on the bench
he was saying why do you mention crab eyes in front newbies
Josie said what's the big deal with me sayin crab eyes
during the conversation she was calling him a ***** and weirdo as well, but that's ok i guess
JJ said "oh callin me crab eyes, that's alright, so If I called you Josie 5 chins, would that be alright"

same as few weeks ago Josie and Govan takin the piss out of JJ. he said if you dont stop ill start back. Then when he took the piss back Josie starts suckin her thumb and playin the victim, conveniently forgetting she was taking the piss out of him first.

exactly.
Josie seems to change her idea of acceptable on everything she says whereas john has a more steady sence of when and what to say in jest, or as an insult. and she isn't fat, she doesn't have a double chin let alone 99 chins (or whatever it was that john said to her)

[ibook4113]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

I guarantee you Josie has insulted JJ WAY more times than JJ insulted her.

Yes, and she always hits him right on the nerves. She always goes for things which he is insulted by.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by ibook4113

He realised he had done the wrong thing with Rachel , you could see the remorse on his face. And rachel wasn't anyway. Davina tried to make he seem like she had improved in her interview but she clearly hadn't the way she looked at the camera and other people the whole time as if she was the worlds best gift.

So what if Rachael thought highly of herself though? Whats it got to do with JJ?? Why did he feel the need to tell her how he felt & upset her when she had done nothing wrong to him?? He is an asshole. He kept on & on at Rachael, picking on every thing she did & said, so yes that IS bullying...

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

he wasn't horrible to rachael. Rachael is a horrible person herself, she is arrogant and bitchy and looks down on people. In the house she was horrible about Sunshine.
JJ saw the nasty arrogant looks she gave people in the house and he pulled her up on it.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by ibook4113

Yes, and she always hits him right on the nerves. She always goes for things which he is insulted by.

As does he.

He likes to dish it out, but he can't take it back...

If he is soooo uber sensitive then he shouldn't slag off & bitch about other people or say things to them which he knows will upset them...

[ibook4113]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

So what if Rachael thought highly of herself though? Whats it got to do with JJ?? Why did he feel the need to tell her how he felt & upset her when she had done nothing wrong to him?? He is an asshole. He kept on & on at Rachael, picking on every thing she did & said, so yes that IS bullying...

He may have bullied Rachel but he did appologise and you can't imply he is bullying anyone else - far from it. He was being loud and over the top with Rachel, but he stopped because realised he had been wrong.

[ibook4113]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

As does he.

He likes to dish it out, but he can't take it back...

If he is soooo uber sensitive then he shouldn't slag off & bitch about other people or say things to them which he knows will upset them...

He is only rude to people when they are rude to him (not a system i agree with) but better than Josie just insulting him for no reason, changing her opinion of him constantly sending mixed messages.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

he wasn't horrible to rachael. Rachael is a horrible person herself, she is arrogant and bitchy and looks down on people. In the house she was horrible about Sunshine.
JJ saw the nasty arrogant looks she gave people in the house and he pulled her up on it.

Bo**ocks. How exactly was Rachael nasty?? JJ bitches about people far more than Rachael did... And JJ himself screws his ugly mug up like he's licking piss off a thistle when looking at people, but that's ok...

JJ is arrogant, argumentative, nasty & spiteful.