[Angus]

Perhaps, there's loads of brain dead horny little girls who'll vote for him. But it was a mistake to slag off the show itself.

I've already detected a shift in the editing towards JJ - I think BB will let him go on self destruct now

[Hero1]

Well I am an adult who has never liked JJ, sometimes he has left me with my jaw hitting the ground.

But going by today's show he done nothing wrong, he had the right to question Ife about her comments which would have been embarassing to him. Also Ben started on him first, and started on him with comments he has always thrown at JJ's direction....JJ just slam dunked Ben today, ans shut him up good and proper.

[SocietyIsRuined]

I still think he will win. I don't want him to win but I have a feeling he will. There are too many voters out there who vote on looks alone and they have endless credit on their mobiles. The only way to stop him is send in Justin Bieber who unfortunately possesses the worst haircut of all time.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Hero1

Well I am an adult who has never liked JJ, sometimes he has left me with my jaw hitting the ground.

But going by today's show he done nothing wrong, he had the right to question Ife about her comments which would have been embarassing to him. Also Ben started on him first, and started on him with comments he has always thrown at JJ's direction....JJ just slam dunked Ben today, ans shut him up good and proper.

Agree - ne owned Benny -boy after Benny started on him unreasonably. I never have a fave HM and just hate them all, but John is growing on me.

[jjj2]

he was just saying that he was being himself and not trying to suck up to the public like sly Ben

[GiRTh]

I dont like him but he was totally right to start the argument. He was so right about Bens reasons for being on the show. Ben is the biggest wannabe in there. Ben is the most desperate for fame in there. John got all of that spot on. My eyes have been opened about Ben. He's hating it in there but cant walk for the sake of his career. Priceless.

[ibook4113]

it seemed to me that JJ was being so strong minded about the public and the program because that is what it is all about for ben. I really hate ben with a passion, and i am happy someone actually made him suffer. He insults people very often, and often in a backhanded way - giving a compliment then insulting them - and i am happy someone didn't actually give in to him. Good on JJ

[Angus]

"**** the Public the public can ****ing jam it.""I don't care about the public, I don't care about the programme. It's not about the programme for me. I don't give a ****, I don't give a ****."

"I'm not on the show for the public, or for you, or to make anyone else happy,
I'm on the show for enjoyment for myself, not to make the ****ing public happy." If they boo the **** out of me, I don't care, I don't give a ****".


Wow JJ a really elegant and well constructed "argument", managing to insult the viewers and the programme in one fell swoop, whilst also demonstrating the true meaning of "selfishness". This is the desperado who travelled thousands of miles to get on the show so if he thinks we buy that he doesn't care about winning, he's even thicker than I thought. That bravado attitude might work in Aussie or USA BB, but this is England mate and we're fussy who we spend our hard earned on.

[Jords]

Hopefully not, lets have him up for eviction this week and booted out on Friday, please.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by angus58

"**** the Public the public can ****ing jam it.""I don't care about the public, I don't care about the programme. It's not about the programme for me. I don't give a ****, I don't give a ****."

"I'm not on the show for the public, or for you, or to make anyone else happy,
I'm on the show for enjoyment for myself, not to make the ****ing public happy." If they boo the **** out of me, I don't care, I don't give a ****".


Wow JJ a really elegant and well constructed "argument", managing to insult the viewers and the programme in one fell swoop, whilst also demonstrating the true meaning of "selfishness". This is the desperado who travelled thousands of miles to get on the show so if he thinks we buy that he doesn't care about winning, he's even thicker than I thought. That bravado attitude might work in Aussie or USA BB, but this is England mate and we're fussy who we spend our hard earned on.

John did it in the context of Benny boy's fixations, and did it brilliantly.

He essentially said it in answer Ben's constant defence of "oh well the public can decide". John said feck the public if your actions make 11 other people eat sh1te and have cold showers for yet another week

[bbfan1991]

Maybe Caoimhe will go and take JJ with her?.

[rusticgal]

JJ is just honest.... I do not take that personally as a member of the 'public'... unlike most of the BB HM's.... JJ isnt looking for anyones approval... he has mine cos I like good honest people who dont pretend to be something they are not.

He wont win...but I will defend him til the end cos I admire his raw emotion and frankness... He will be the 'winner' out of this programme.. whoever wins.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Claymores

John did it in the context of Benny boy's fixations, and did it brilliantly.

He essentially said it in answer Ben's constant defence of "oh well the public can decide". John said feck the public if your actions make 11 other people eat sh1te and have cold showers for yet another week

Spin it how you like, the general public who watch the HLs and not the LF will not be impressed because actually Johnny boy needs to know that the public DO decide and won't take kindly to some jumped up little aussie twonk effectively telling them he's NOT there to entertain THEM but is there for his own enjoyment. He can enjoy himself all the way back to Oz.

[ibook4113]

Originally Posted by angus58

Spin it how you like, the general public who watch the HLs and not the LF will not be impressed because actually Johnny boy needs to know that the public DO decide and won't take kindly to some jumped up little aussie twonk effectively telling them he's NOT there to entertain THEM but is there for his own enjoyment. He can enjoy himself all the way back to Oz.

But that wasn't what John James was saying. For the people that don't listen they might think what you have said but he was picking up on Ben's fixation of the public opinion. I think the idea that the public could support ben is quite shocking especially when he is being selfish and not helping the whole house. It isn't being different or unique or quirky it is being selfish and nasty. If the public think ben's selfishness is good then i agree with JJ. The point JJ was making was that Ben is selfish. For ben to wait until the public choose whether his selfish attitude is right or wrong, is quite insulting to the rest of the housemates. He never does anything for the house, so he should step off his pedestal and actually do some work. - he would end up feeling better for it in the end too.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by ibook4113

But that wasn't what John James was saying. For the people that don't listen they might think what you have said but he was picking up on Ben's fixation of the public opinion. I think the idea that the public could support ben is quite shocking especially when he is being selfish and not helping the whole house. It isn't being different or unique or quirky it is being selfish and nasty. If the public think ben's selfishness is good then i agree with JJ. The point JJ was making was that Ben is selfish. For ben to wait until the public choose whether his selfish attitude is right or wrong, is quite insulting to the rest of the housemates. He never does anything for the house, so he should step off his pedestal and actually do some work. - he would end up feeling better for it in the end too.

JJ is far more selfish if he thinks his endless rants and arguments are conducive to the harmony of the house. What's worse is that JJ thinks its okay for him to just be in the house for his OWN enjoyment. Well I don't give a **** about HIS experience or enjoyment - I want the entertainment I'm paying for and he's a mega selfish git for not entertaining me.

[GiRTh]

I never wanted JJ to win. I think he's a deeply disturbed almost sociopathic pr*ck.

In this context though he was right. Claymore has already posted it, JJ said it in the context of highlighting Bens fixation with the public. JJ was merely saying he's not as bothered about his public image as Ben. He could have expressed himself better but hey ho.

[Shiner]

I fully understand JJ's frustration with Ben but I got the feeling that in the heat of the moment he simply wanted to appear to be the antithesis of Ben by saying "******* the public...." but as is his nature, he took it too far. As he repeated his the point about the public it then took the form of a message to the public (as you cannot argue that you are not aware of them if you are speaking about them in the first place) of "I am not acting, I am real, this is me". This is a declaration that can only matter in the context of the game (people don't argue that they are real in RL) and therefore ironically proves his awareness of the public and his need for their approval as a non-fake and a more worthy winner of the game than Ben and possibly the others. In short the outburst was for our benefit not Ben's.

[troy4783]

hope not josie or corin to win

[jojo10]

Originally Posted by Hero1

Well I am an adult who has never liked JJ, sometimes he has left me with my jaw hitting the ground.

But going by today's show he done nothing wrong, he had the right to question Ife about her comments which would have been embarassing to him. Also Ben started on him first, and started on him with comments he has always thrown at JJ's direction....JJ just slam dunked Ben today, ans shut him up good and proper.

No he never, did you not hear what Ben was saying in the bedroom how JJ was picking on him first in the hub, so that was why he made that comment. Talk about favouritism with the editing, maybe they should have shown what JJ said first and then what Ben said back to him, and JJ always picks on Ben first not the other way round, just like he did with Rachael and Sunshine.

Also, the only reason why JJ is still in there even though in the past the 1s that cause the most arguments are usually 1 of the 1st ones to be evicted, is because alot of girls fancy him, which in my opinion is very shallow when girls only vote for him because they fancy him, and yet tend to forget what a nasty piece of work he is and how he causes most of the trouble in the house.

Sorry, I don't think he's all that and Im female too and I would never vote for him on his looks, I would rather vote for him if he had a nice personality and if he was not such a dishonest trouble maker, but his personality is so ugly that I would rather choose somebody like Ben, who might not be so stunning but yet his personality makes up for it.

[jojo10]

Originally Posted by ibook4113

it seemed to me that JJ was being so strong minded about the public and the program because that is what it is all about for ben. I really hate ben with a passion, and i am happy someone actually made him suffer. He insults people very often, and often in a backhanded way - giving a compliment then insulting them - and i am happy someone didn't actually give in to him. Good on JJ

What, you can't be serious, the only reason that JJ made such an issue about what Ben said about the public was because he wanted to twist things as usual so that others including Ben look like the gameplayers and to make himself look like a genuine hm, yet he knows absolutely everything about BB, and so far as predicted so many things right.

If anything, JJ is the one who is always going on about all of these conspiracy theories all the time because he has watched alot of BB before in the past, so he is always try to either pick on people that he feels could be popular in the outside world such as Ben and Corin, or he tries to either bring out the worst in them or try and accuse them of things that they have not done or said or are thinking about, just to make that person look bad and himself good, just like he did about the comment he made about Ben and the public, knowing full well most likely it would have been shown, so that it looks like that he doesn't care about what the public thinks but Ben does, what a clever twisted git, get JJ out.

[ibook4113]

Originally Posted by angus58

"**** the Public the public can ****ing jam it.""I don't care about the public, I don't care about the programme. It's not about the programme for ME. I don't give a ****, I don't give a ****."

The 'me' is the important bit Ben cares way too much about the public vote that t makes him get too paranoid. And pretty much everyone who goes into the BB house is there for their own enjoyment. I am pretty sure we don't pay for channel 4 which is why there are loads of adverts on it. AND even so how would people be happy to pay for Ben - a selfish, condescending, rude, ignorant person. Ben is my most hated housemate ever. He only has friends for his benefit, which he picked up on last night with Dave who was no longer 'laughing for him', he was friends with JJ so he could wear his clothes (which he never actually asked for), and when he talks to people he always starts of by saying 'I really love so-and-so but i find that they do this this this and this which i don't like.' The 'but' completely removes the positive comment in front of it because what he actually saying is an insult not a compliment.
And again JJ was pointing out a flaw in Ben who when nominated just sits around and doesn't nothing, he cares too much about the public opinion.

And actually it is worth considering JJ left australia a little after his father got killed in a work accident, and since his father died he hasn't gone back to work. If anyone thought about that even a little they would realise it is because of the memory of his father that he hasn't gone back to his work. The inheritance he got from his fathers death means he doesn't have to work, so he doesn't. He thought (it seems to me) that he would go to England to have a break from Australia and to try and move on from his fathers death.

All Ben wants is more money and that is it - and a job. And he doesn't need the money because he obviously has money from his family. THink about when the housemates were going to give 50K of their winnings to get Steve his leg and Ben didn't want to because it would be his money? HOW SELFISH!

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by ibook4113

The 'me' is the important bit Ben cares way too much about the public vote that t makes him get too paranoid. And pretty much everyone who goes into the BB house is there for their own enjoyment. I am pretty sure we don't pay for channel 4 which is why there are loads of adverts on it. AND even so how would people be happy to pay for Ben - a selfish, condescending, rude, ignorant person. Ben is my most hated housemate ever. He only has friends for his benefit, which he picked up on last night with Dave who was no longer 'laughing for him', he was friends with JJ so he could wear his clothes (which he never actually asked for), and when he talks to people he always starts of by saying 'I really love so-and-so but i find that they do this this this and this which i don't like.' The 'but' completely removes the positive comment in front of it because what he actually saying is an insult not a compliment.
And again JJ was pointing out a flaw in Ben who when nominated just sits around and doesn't nothing, he cares too much about the public opinion.

And actually it is worth considering JJ left australia a little after his father got killed in a work accident, and since his father died he hasn't gone back to work. If anyone thought about that even a little they would realise it is because of the memory of his father that he hasn't gone back to his work. The inheritance he got from his fathers death means he doesn't have to work, so he doesn't. He thought (it seems to me) that he would go to England to have a break from Australia and to try and move on from his fathers death.

All Ben wants is more money and that is it - and a job. And he doesn't need the money because he obviously has money from his family. THink about when the housemates were going to give 50K of their winnings to get Steve his leg and Ben didn't want to because it would be his money? HOW SELFISH!

It is not a case of Ben wanting more money, he has no money to start with, and neither does his family. His dad may live in a beautiful old house, but he does not have enough money to maintain it properly. Ben has alreadty said one of the reasons he would not want to give his money to Steve is that he wants to help his own family. Some of the other housemates might have waffled on about buying new legs for Steve, but I would believe that when it happened abd not before.

[erichardse10]

I think Josie or Ben will win, JJ won't win, hes 2 tempremental and opinion seems to be divided on him

[Angus]

Originally posted by ibook4113
"The 'me' is the important bit Ben cares way too much about the public vote that t makes him get too paranoid. And pretty much everyone who goes into the BB house is there for their own enjoyment. I am pretty sure we don't pay for channel 4 which is why there are loads of adverts on it. AND even so how would people be happy to pay for Ben - a selfish, condescending, rude, ignorant person. Ben is my most hated housemate ever. He only has friends for his benefit, which he picked up on last night with Dave who was no longer 'laughing for him', he was friends with JJ so he could wear his clothes (which he never actually asked for), and when he talks to people he always starts of by saying 'I really love so-and-so but i find that they do this this this and this which i don't like.' The 'but' completely removes the positive comment in front of it because what he actually saying is an insult not a compliment.
And again JJ was pointing out a flaw in Ben who when nominated just sits around and doesn't nothing, he cares too much about the public opinion.

And actually it is worth considering JJ left australia a little after his father got killed in a work accident, and since his father died he hasn't gone back to work. If anyone thought about that even a little they would realise it is because of the memory of his father that he hasn't gone back to his work. The inheritance he got from his fathers death means he doesn't have to work, so he doesn't. He thought (it seems to me) that he would go to England to have a break from Australia and to try and move on from his fathers death.

All Ben wants is more money and that is it - and a job. And he doesn't need the money because he obviously has money from his family. THink about when the housemates were going to give 50K of their winnings to get Steve his leg and Ben didn't want to because it would be his money? HOW SELFISH! "






You are seriously deluded if you think JJ does not care about winning the show - He more than any of them is DESPERATE to win. He is the one constantly talking about other people's game plans, and he could bitch for Australia. You might like watching an argumentative, confrontational prat like him and consider it entertainment, but a lot of us don't. It wasn't Ben or the other HMs that flew thousands of miles just to get on the show now was it? JJ is the one who has watched BB and studied strategies - he is the one with the biggest game plan (and there's nowt wrong with that), but don't insult me by telling me he's being "Real". THIS coming from a bleached blond male bimbo who has to go around impersonating a middle aged footballer to get attention! Why not just be his own person if he's so bloody real?

Are you really that obtuse about paying to watch the show? - LF ain't free and neither is the voting, so I expect ENTERTAINMENT when I switch on, not some douche bag telling me to ***** off cos he's only in it for his OWN enjoyment and experiece. Now that's what I call selfish.

As for his dad dying and him no longer working - if anything HE'S the one with the money and I wonder how proud of him his dad would have been to see him squandering it away because he's too bloody lazy to get a job. He's a proper little mummy's boy giving it large to those he perceives as weaker than him, ie women and blokes like Ben who are non-aggressive. If he tried his aggressive argumentative style out on some he would seriously get his head felt, but then he picks his victims carefully, the little coward. If his dad's death affected him that badly I would question the wisdom of him being in the house at all, since he is clearly not mentally up to it. I seriously think he needs therapy.

[Visage]

As much as I find hm hilarious and entertaining, I really don't think he will win, let along survive till the finale!