[Linto99]

Just watched the whole thing on HL show between JJ and Josie. Quite disturbing to watch. JJ actually seems quite fearful of Josie. He is pussyfooting about her because he just does not want to lose her friendship, and seems to like to have her to cling on too. He's quite emotionally un-balanced. She is aware of this and is dangling him like a puppet. He's obviously not as tuned in psycholigically, like Josie is!

Her true colours are showing and she is one manipulative woman, playing housemates against each other! Dangerous woman! John James should have kept on running out the fire exit!

[moghirl]

I agree with all your observations .. JJ does at certain times seem frightened of Josie .. remember back in the bedroom, in the first week or so, I think it was, Josie put JJ in his place and had him in tears .. he's not as tuned in emotionally as she is and he's paying the price for that ..

I think he feels safe under the duvet but Josie invades his space anytime he tries to be alone and gather his thoughts in bed .. he's no match for Josie .. she's one tough cookie and is manipulating the life out of him.

[the-gaffer]

He is frightened of hurting her, he has obviously been burned badly in the past and doesn't want to do it to her, she just doesn't want him to say the words "I'm not sexually attracted to you" for all of Britain to see and read

[Fowley]

Originally Posted by moghirl

I agree with all your observations .. JJ does at certain times seem frightened of Josie .. remember back in the bedroom, in the first week or so, I think it was, Josie put JJ in his place and had him in tears .. he's not as tuned in emotionally as she is and he's paying the price for that ..

I think he feels safe under the duvet but Josie invades his space anytime he tries to be alone and gather his thoughts in bed .. he's no match for Josie .. she's one tough cookie and is manipulating the life out of him.

Not really, when they were in the bed, she said it straight out that she knew he didnt fancy her and he didnt feel the same about her, josie doesnt invade his space perfect example after all the drama and **** and john james and josie were talking on the sofa he told her he wasnt leaving the bed and neither was she.. so he wants her in his bed?

[Fowley]

& it wasnt josie that put john james in tears i dont think, he was upset because he upset her.. which is pretty understandable after he compared their situation to shabby & caoimhe when he has been leading her on for ages. And what was with all the kissing? after him saying he didnt feel the same...

[Brekkie]

She was at her worst tonight - all he did was try and be honest with her, but everytime he tries to talk to her she cuts him off completely and gets all moody, and basically laughs in his face.

She was a complete selfish cow whilst he was in the camera runs - couldn't care less about how John James felt and was only worried how it affected her, and then on his return despite John James clearly having a lot he needs to talk about she just shuts him down completely, bans him from talking about his feelings and even stops him talking to BB about those feelings.

And then John James has to spend the rest of the day apologising for trying to be honest as Josie just laughs it off.


There is only one person leading the other on in this relationship - and it's not John James.

[DavinamcCaw]

Originally Posted by Brekkie

She was at her worst tonight - all he did was try and be honest with her, but everytime he tries to talk to her she cuts him off completely and gets all moody, and basically laughs in his face.

She was a complete selfish cow whilst he was in the camera runs - couldn't care less about how John James felt and was only worried how it affected her, and then on his return despite John James clearly having a lot he needs to talk about she just shuts him down completely, bans him from talking about his feelings and even stops him talking to BB about those feelings.

And then John James has to spend the rest of the day apologising for trying to be honest as Josie just laughs it off.


There is only one person leading the other on in this relationship - and it's not John James.

She is playing him and he is falling for it.

[Linto99]

Originally Posted by Brekkie

She was at her worst tonight - all he did was try and be honest with her, but everytime he tries to talk to her she cuts him off completely and gets all moody, and basically laughs in his face.

She was a complete selfish cow whilst he was in the camera runs - couldn't care less about how John James felt and was only worried how it affected her, and then on his return despite John James clearly having a lot he needs to talk about she just shuts him down completely, bans him from talking about his feelings and even stops him talking to BB about those feelings.

And then John James has to spend the rest of the day apologising for trying to be honest as Josie just laughs it off.


There is only one person leading the other on in this relationship - and it's not John James.

Agree 100% and I really liked Josie at the beginning. 4-6 weeks in and they show their true colours! I'm not a JJ fan, but if he was my son I would want him away from Josie LIKE NOW!

[Caroline592]

Stop showing me up John. Stop showing me up John.
I just could not believe what I was hearing.

[Fowley]

Originally Posted by Brekkie

She was at her worst tonight - all he did was try and be honest with her, but everytime he tries to talk to her she cuts him off completely and gets all moody, and basically laughs in his face.

She was a complete selfish cow whilst he was in the camera runs - couldn't care less about how John James felt and was only worried how it affected her, and then on his return despite John James clearly having a lot he needs to talk about she just shuts him down completely, bans him from talking about his feelings and even stops him talking to BB about those feelings.

And then John James has to spend the rest of the day apologising for trying to be honest as Josie just laughs it off.


There is only one person leading the other on in this relationship - and it's not John James.

why would she care about him in the camera runs? he was after comparing their situation to caoimhe & shabby. john james has been leading josie on for ages now... and he was just creating a bigger drama outta it by breaking the lock and leaving
and josie didnt shut him down, when they were outside the diary room, he wanted to talk to her so she said ok, they went to the sofa and he told her he just wanted to forget what he said... so its all josie's fault ?

[Jords]

John James over-played the situation like usual, thats all.

[Fowley]

Originally Posted by Jords

John James over-played the situation like usual, thats all.

exactly why is josie getting blamed for john james actions tonight?

[Linto99]

Originally Posted by Fowley

& it wasnt josie that put john james in tears i dont think, he was upset because he upset her.. which is pretty understandable after he compared their situation to shabby & caoimhe when he has been leading her on for ages. And what was with all the kissing? after him saying he didnt feel the same...

He was dead right, it is the same situation as Shabby and Caoimhe! Josie is obsessed with him and he doesn't want to hurt her or show her up in any way! His biggest mistake was to tell Josie that the situation was the same!

[Fowley]

Originally Posted by Caroline592

Stop showing me up John. Stop showing me up John.
I just could not believe what I was hearing.

He finally tells her he doesnt fancy her.. she wants a few minutes alone, he follows her around the house.. then he gets all upset, what does he expect? then breaks out.. of course shes going to be like that, john james was just causing a bigger drama outta it, then if he had just left her alone for awhile..

[the-gaffer]

She was obviously cutting him off because she didn't want to here the "I don't feel that way about you speech"

Thats pretty normal for someone in her situation particularly if a couple of Million people might be watching it unfold

As for her saying "Don't make a fool of me" again, that is because she didn't want to become the focal point of a conversation that went like "John doesn't fancy Josie"

She doesn't need Michael Fish to come in the house and tell her when its pissing down

[Fowley]

Originally Posted by Linto99

He was dead right, it is the same situation as Shabby and Caoimhe! Josie is obsessed with him and he doesn't want to hurt her or show her up in any way! His biggest mistake was to tell Josie that the situation was the same!

Its not the same situation. caoimhe & shabby didnt cuddle at night and kiss, they didnt have the blankets over their heads constantly.. they didnt stay in bed all day together..
and anyways, if john james doesnt like josie and all that ****.. why did he kiss her? after telling her that day he didnt fancy her..

[ibook4113]

I have always been uncomfortable when Josie makes comments about being shown up. John James does this because he takes things very to heart, and what she does is turn the situation round to her, which makes it worse. If she was really a friend she would go up to him and try and have a proper talk rather than making jokes and laughing about what they are both saying, because she is trivialising John James' feelings which is something that he feels he is doing to her. She is actually quite selfish i think.

[as90]

When josie comes on the LF now i either have to look away, pause it or at least put the sound down.

[Linto99]

Originally Posted by Fowley

Its not the same situation. caoimhe & shabby didnt cuddle at night and kiss, they didnt have the blankets over their heads constantly.. they didnt stay in bed all day together..
and anyways, if john james doesnt like josie and all that ****.. why did he kiss her? after telling her that day he didnt fancy her..

He kissed her because she asked for a kiss! and he willingly obliges because he does not want to face her wrath AGAIN!!! so yes he is making it worse for himself, he should just let her go off in a huff and ignore her completely and mix more with the other housemates! but he wants to keep her as a friend, so goes along with it all ' to please her ' Silly Boy!

[Brekkie]

Originally Posted by the-gaffer

She was obviously cutting him off because she didn't want to here the "I don't feel that way about you speech"

If she wasn't such a bitch though and let him say what he actually wants to say she'd find out he actually cares for her a lot more than she might have thought, even if life after BB with Josie is likely to involve being chained to a bed in some basement in Bristol.

[bansheewails]

Everyone sees what they want to see.

All I saw was a man saying the right thing, but in a very very bad way. An embarassed woman who wanted to get away from the situation and the man trying to explain in a bad way.

JJ needs to stop with the kissing and hugging, Josie needs to distance herself from JJ.

And Ben needs to start knowing when to keep his big mouth closed (nothing to do with the situation, but I thought I would add it because I felt like it)

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Fowley

exactly why is josie getting blamed for john james actions tonight?

No idea, theyve both been in the wrong at some points but this was clearly blown WAY out of hand by John James, it was all put on I reckon. He made sure both Josie and JJ knew he broke out so they'd come for him to get him back.

[Fowley]

Originally Posted by Linto99

He kissed her because she asked for a kiss! and he willingly obliges because he does not want to face her wrath AGAIN!!! so yes he is making it worse for himself, he should just let her go off in a huff and ignore her completely and mix more with the other housemates! but he wants to keep her as a friend, so goes along with it all ' to please her ' Silly Boy!

No she asked for a kiss in the morning, before he told her he didnt feel the same about her, then after all that drama later on that night when they were in bed again because john james wouldnt move and he wouldnt let josie move, he kissed her..right at the end of the HL show.

[ibook4113]

she always talks about this wall that she has let down for him. But he has let down a wall just as much. Josie has trapped him in her wall though, and every time he upsets or annoys her she chucks him out and he feels vulnerable, he feels safe with Josie. If josie was a real friend she would realise that he finds her safe and trustworthy.

[poejoe]

dont forget jj has traveled from aussie to be here and is desperate to win. he is doing anything for attention and doesn't fancy josie but knows a romance with her will keep him in