[Fangz]

I have long despised PETA. Even in my own veggy animal-rights obsessed stage, I hated them.

Want to know why? They endorse eco-terrorism on the behalf on animals, carried out by such groups as Animal Liberation Front, a group considered a terrorist threat by the FBI.
Lets have a look at how PETA like to spend their money...

Paid $45,200 in support of convicted ALF arsonist Rodney Coronado (1995).

Paid $2,000 to the ALF spokesman after the ALF claimed responsibility for fire bombing the Utah Fur Breeders Agricultural Co-op in 1997

Paid $2,000 to David Wilson, a member of ALF in 1999

Paid $7,500 to Fran Stephanie Trutt, who attempted to kill a medical research executive


Let's have a look at some of their quotes, hm?

"Of course we're going to be, as a movement, blowing stuff up and smashing windows...is a great way to bring about animal liberation". (Bruce Friedrich, the Vegan Campaign Coordinator for PETA, during a 2001 animal rights convention)

"We cannot condemn the Animal Liberation Front ... they act courageously ... [their activities] comprise an important part of today's animal protection movement." (PETA statement concerning ALF's activities, 1991)


Well look at that, Jodie fans. Fine organization Jodie's allied herself with, wouldn't you say?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_...nerable_groups
Go here for more info, links to PETA sites and links to sites criticizing PETA.

[Sunny_01]

Agree with you Fangz - they are a scary group who use animal rights as an excuse for violence.

[BusyBee]

However whilst there are lots of groups who go about things in a quiet efficient way, the ones that get the attention are those that are not necessarily the best at what they do but the most publicity conscious. One only has to look at Fathers for Justice to see how a good idea can go wrong.

[ally001]

Peta have done alot for animal rights and so have the ALF.

Nelson Mandela was locked up for 25 years for being a terrorist and now he's a hero.

Members of the IRA are now in government.

Peta keep animal rights issues in the public eye which is the best way to get anything to change.

Not only Jodie Marsh, a whole list of celebs have worked for Peta, including Pink, Pammie Anderson, Moby, Morrissy....... Oh and Dennis and Traci....

Of course there is alot of anti-PETA feeling amongst those who feel their rights to barbarically slaughter living creatures are infringed, and I'm sure they are trying to scrape around to find anything they can to demonize PETA.

Fangz would you care to explain what you mean that PETA paid these people. Are you trying to say they pay people to commit acts of terrorism? If so don't you think they'd have been closed down? You really are naive and shouldn't believe the hype put out by sick people that enjoy being cruel to animals.

FYI, David Wilson cannot be a 'member' of the ALF as there is no membership. So reasearch your topic before you start gobbing off about stuff you clearly have no clue about.

You sit back and cuddle the cat you were so worried about recently that you love so much, and leave the activists to change this world for the better, be it animal rights or human rights, they are all worthy causes.

[Fangz]

Ah, so as long as the organization is saving the kittens and puppies, it doesn't matter how they go about it? The ends justify the means do they?
PETA is a terrible organization, who give animal-rights supporters a bad name.
I like the 'there is no membership, so he can't be a member' thing you've got going there, really. I mean, you're happy to attack the way I use words, and the fact that I'm 'gobbing off', yet can't actually tackle what I've said about PETA head-on, can you? Could that be because I'm right?

You can call me 'naive' all you want, but I'm not the one who can't seem to find anything to back up the'r arguments...
Yes, I am aware that other celebrities support PETA, most celebrities like a pretty bandwagon to jump on now and then, but let's face it, who was going ape (haha) over Pete's coat? Who was blathering on about PETA when she wasn't badmouthing Pete? Jodie.

[Sticks]

I prefer this version of PETA

[Sunny_01]

Ally you make some interesting points but manage to make them insignificant with your insistance on trying to ridicule other members of this forum.

The Admin will not tolerate this in future and all personal attacks on other FMs will result in a warning being issued and eventually a ban!

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by ally001

Not only Jodie Marsh, and Traci....

That was all you really needed to screw-up your own diatribe. I found it highly amusing that Marsh only decided to take issue with Pete's coat AFTER he'd exposed her for being a liar, and playing the victim in the hope that the audience at home would rush out to buy her top shelf trash in their droves. And you really shouldn't have mentioned Malibu Traci in your post either - or had you forgotten that your idol is reporting her to PETA because she hugged Pete in the house while he was wearing his coat? Seriously, if you're going to join a forum about BB, actually having watched the show once in a while would help the powers of perception a great deal.

[bobdylan]

Originally posted by Fangz
Ah, so as long as the organization is saving the kittens and puppies, it doesn't matter how they go about it? The ends justify the means do they?
PETA is a terrible organization, who give animal-rights supporters a bad name.
I like the 'there is no membership, so he can't be a member' thing you've got going there, really. I mean, you're happy to attack the way I use words, and the fact that I'm 'gobbing off', yet can't actually tackle what I've said about PETA head-on, can you? Could that be because I'm right?

You can call me 'naive' all you want, but I'm not the one who can't seem to find anything to back up the'r arguments...
Yes, I am aware that other celebrities support PETA, most celebrities like a pretty bandwagon to jump on now and then, but let's face it, who was going ape (haha) over Pete's coat? Who was blathering on about PETA when she wasn't badmouthing Pete? Jodie.

A Common mis conception is that PETA "SAVES ANIMALS." They do NOT save puppies and Kittens. They KILL them.

I was a member for 6 years and it was not until the New Orleans thing that I found out the TRUTH about PETA- from Ingrid Pres of PETA herself.

PETA does not plae animals it "saves" in HOMES - it EUTHANISES them. in other words PETA gives lethal injection to all animals we all think it saves.

ask them.
also write them at peta . org and ask them about the indictments of major officers of PETA who were caught throwing pooranimals in trash cans in North Carolina.

PETA does not SAVE animals. It kills them - ask them.

Jodie and her ilk are uneducated and reallyshould educate themselves about the organisations they support. I went 6 years without realising PETA kills the animals I thought they were saving.

You do not have to take my word for it PETA will tell you themselves. It is all about euthanisation of animals.

all of the animals the supposedly SAVED in New Orleans etc were killed by lethal injection. that makes me sick.
full stop

[ally001]

Originally posted by bobdylan

A Common mis conception is that PETA "SAVES ANIMALS." They do NOT save puppies and Kittens. They KILL them.

I was a member for 6 years and it was not until the New Orleans thing that I found out the TRUTH about PETA- from Ingrid Pres of PETA herself.

PETA does not plae animals it "saves" in HOMES - it EUTHANISES them. in other words PETA gives lethal injection to all animals we all think it saves.

ask them.
also write them at peta . org and ask them about the indictments of major officers of PETA who were caught throwing pooranimals in trash cans in North Carolina.

PETA does not SAVE animals. It kills them - ask them.

Jodie and her ilk are uneducated and reallyshould educate themselves about the organisations they support. I went 6 years without realising PETA kills the animals I thought they were saving.

You do not have to take my word for it PETA will tell you themselves. It is all about euthanisation of animals.

all of the animals the supposedly SAVED in New Orleans etc were killed by lethal injection. that makes me sick.
full stop

I'm glad it makes you sick, you are obviously an intelligent person that understands right from wrong. Unfortunately though euthanasia is the fate for most homeless animals here and in the US. The RSPCA are too guilty of killing most of the animals that come into their care. What are you supposed to do with them though? There's just not enough homes for dogs and cats and it's no life to have to live in a kennel for the rest of it's days.

The answer to the problem is to stop the breeding and the puppy farms, which PETA do campaign against.

[ally001]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Agree with you Fangz - they are a scary group who use animal rights as an excuse for violence.

PETA have said they do not condone violence.

[ally001]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

That was all you really needed to screw-up your own diatribe. I found it highly amusing that Marsh only decided to take issue with Pete's coat AFTER he'd exposed her for being a liar, and playing the victim in the hope that the audience at home would rush out to buy her top shelf trash in their droves. And you really shouldn't have mentioned Malibu Traci in your post either - or had you forgotten that your idol is reporting her to PETA because she hugged Pete in the house while he was wearing his coat? Seriously, if you're going to join a forum about BB, actually having watched the show once in a while would help the powers of perception a great deal.

Sorry I'm not glued to the live streaming as you obviously are, but I do have a life outside of big brother. i was just mentioning other celebs who worked with PETA, so your bitchy comments about 'Malibu' Traci as you like to call her weren't really relevant.
It was clear to me that the cracks appeared in Jodie and Pete's relationship when she was shocked by his coat, before then he sat whinging with her about negative media attention.
You say my idol is reporting her to PETA but as I don't have an idol I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

[ally001]

Originally posted by Sticks
I prefer this version of PETA

how nice!

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by ally001

Sorry I'm not glued to the live streaming as you obviously are, but I do have a life outside of big brother. i was just mentioning other celebs who worked with PETA, so your bitchy comments about 'Malibu' Traci as you like to call her weren't really relevant.
It was clear to me that the cracks appeared in Jodie and Pete's relationship when she was shocked by his coat, before then he sat whinging with her about negative media attention.
You say my idol is reporting her to PETA but as I don't have an idol I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I've never seen even a second of live streaming. Yes, of course you do. The internet is full of forums and message boards for you to troll, getting into arguments that you continually lose hands down, after all. You mentioned her in your post, so the reference was indeed relevant.

What was clear to you (and as we've seen from other threads here, the entire concept is highly debatable) seems to differ rather a lot from what every other viewer clearly saw and heard.

Really? The fact that you've replied quite comprehensively to my post would suggest otherwise.

[ally001]

Originally posted by Fangz
Ah, so as long as the organization is saving the kittens and puppies, it doesn't matter how they go about it? The ends justify the means do they?

Not really, but it could be argued that political violence won votes for women, gave black people the same rights as whites and freed people from oppressive regimes, all of which are worthy causes, as is animal rights. No political struggle has been won without acts of violence being committed. All those causes provoke strong feelings in alot of people and it doesn't surprise me that people will go to the lengths they do. In fact I would rather that than an apathetic attitude. That never changed anything. “All it will take for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing.”

[ally001]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

I've never seen even a second of live streaming. Yes, of course you do. The internet is full of forums and message boards for you to troll, getting into arguments that you continually lose hands down, after all. You mentioned her in your post, so the reference was indeed relevant.

What was clear to you (and as we've seen from other threads here, the entire concept is highly debatable) seems to differ rather a lot from what every other viewer clearly saw and heard.

Really? The fact that you've replied quite comprehensively to my post would suggest otherwise.

Just because my reply was comprehensive doesn't mean your post was.
Let's see now.... my highly debatable perception tells me you mean Jodie Marsh is my idol. I gather this as I cannot think who else would be reporting Traci blah blah....
Why would you think she is my idol is not clear, but I gather it's because I have defended her when people criticize her for no good reason, as I would anyone. That doesn't make her my idol, I can therefore concluded you have misused the word or you are just being a bit childish.

As for what I saw being different from what 'every other viewer' saw and heard (that survey must have taken you a while to complete), I have news for you, people are different, form different opinions and percieve things in a different way. I'm glad I have my own views and don't just try to follow what 'everyone' else thinks, which is clearly important to you..... baaaaaaaa

[CharlotteSometimes]

Of course not; yet it was indeed, all the same. Time for yet another reality check - every last word of criticism Marsh has received here and elsewhere has been entirely justified. Ergo, you defend the indefensible either because you're a star-struck fan, or your Marsh itself. You're really not very good at this, are you?

Indeed - some watch, listen and pay attention to what's actually happening. Others base their views on unwarranted sympathy for those that the vast majority can see right through. I don't know if 'important' is the term I'd choose, but yes, I'm certainly comfortable being part of the former, rather than the latter.

[ally001]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Of course not; yet it was indeed, all the same. Time for yet another reality check - every last word of criticism Marsh has received here and elsewhere has been entirely justified. Ergo, you defend the indefensible either because you're a star-struck fan, or your Marsh itself. You're really not very good at this, are you?

Not very good at what, deciphering your ramblings? No I'm not!
The criticism has been justified.... in your opinion. Reality check for you... you are not the only one with an opinion. Everything you have just said is based on your assumption that your opinion is fact. I do not agree that she is indefensible so it invalidates your narrow minded reasoning that I am a star struck fan or I am Jodie, neither of which are true.

Indeed - some watch, listen and pay attention to what's actually happening. Others base their views on unwarranted sympathy for those that the vast majority can see right through. I don't know if 'important' is the term I'd choose, but yes, I'm certainly comfortable being part of the former, rather than the latter.

Some base their views on other peoples opinions too. You consistantly bleat on about paying attention to this series of bb, yet on another post you say no action was taken regarding pete's coat because it wasn't an endangered species. In fact it was read out in the diary room that there were two lists of endangered species and his was on list 'b'. I didn't want to point that out as I thought it was a bit sad to expect someone to have been paying such close attention, and you know what, you have proved my point.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by ally001

Not very good at what, deciphering your ramblings? No I'm not!
The criticism has been justified.... in your opinion. Reality check for you... you are not the only one with an opinion. Everything you have just said is based on your assumption that your opinion is fact. I do not agree that she is indefensible so it invalidates your narrow minded reasoning that I am a star struck fan or I am Jodie, neither of which are true.

Some base their views on other peoples opinions too. You consistantly bleat on about paying attention to this series of bb, yet on another post you say no action was taken regarding pete's coat because it wasn't an endangered species. In fact it was read out in the diary room that there were two lists of endangered species and his was on list 'b'. I didn't want to point that out as I thought it was a bit sad to expect someone to have been paying such close attention, and you know what, you have proved my point.

Again, my supposed 'ramblings' that you have such a problem 'deciphering' seem to be eliciting quite significant responses from you. That suggests you're bending the truth ever so slightly, don't you think? Just to elucidate, I meant that you're not very good at constructing a viable argument. But hey, you knew that already, of course.

No, the criticism has been justified beyond any shadow of a doubt. Hence the fact that Beatbullying have severed all connections with Marsh. Do at least try to keep up. The only assumption here is yours - that you'll be able to clamber out of the hole you've dug for yourself. What you may agree or disagree with invalidates nothing, as nothing that you've had to say so far has been valid.

It seems you've dug yourself still deeper once again. Perhaps you should have another look at the thread in question ...