[Vicky.]

OK I've been reading some threads on DS. I have watched the loose change program, and also the one that 'supposedly' proves that the loose change program is a lie. But it doesn't do that very well to be honest.

Apologies if this thread has been done before, but its interesting to find out other peoples views on this, as I'm totally torn.

On the one hand, I don't understand why America would WANT this to happen...or cause it. And other theory is that they just allowed it to happen...which would make more sense, but why?

On the other, how on earth, if the government did not plan/allow this, did this all happen without some kind of intervention?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE
Loose change video...its like 1 hour 20 long.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...4953129565561#

The video that is supposed to disprove loose changes theories. Some, it does, others it doesn't. So there are still lots of loose ends in my eyes. This one is like 3 hours long though, so i doubt many will watch it


Apologies if this is a touchy subject at the minute, but I am so confused by the whole thing after watching both of the above videos, and sitting thinking about all the inconsistencies in the official story.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

On the one hand, I don't understand why America would WANT this to happen...or cause it. And other theory is that they just allowed it to happen...which would make more sense, but why?

Fear > War > Iraq > Fuel > $$$

We all know 9/11 was bollocks. It's sad to see people died for money.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

Fear > War > Iraq > Fuel > $$$

We all know 9/11 was bollocks. It's sad to see people died for money.

Well it seems we dont all know, as I was quickly branded a lunatic for daring to question the whole thing over on DS.

There is no denying that somethine is very very off about the whole thing, so many things just don't add up at all.

[Vicky.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paWiZ...eature=related

A much shorter mini video.

The pentagon thing is what I find the most suspicious to be honest. Why not release the official footage to shut people up if there is nothing amiss here? One of the most guarded buildings in America...there must be at least one tape from the many CCTV cameras that actually show the plane hitting it. Surely.

[Mystic Mock]

i dont think the goverment was involved because george.w.bush was really upset.

[Harry!]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

i dont think the goverment was involved because george.w.bush was really upset.

He was so upset he even continued to read a story book to a classroom for 7 mins after he heard the news of the second tower being hit.

[ILoveTRW]

I remember The Real World: Chicago cast having an argument over the phone on the night of 9/11.

[arista]

I watched it live on TV
so I do not need videos.

This was a the Clever Saudi Attack on NYC.

And what shocked me was Atta one leader Killer
was in Florida months before learning how to Fly
but not take off.
One FBI woman was told about him
but because it was a Femail FBI officer
it was not checked out enough.

So it could have been stopped.

[Shasown]

It happened pretty much the way mainstream press and the governments say it did, there was no conspiracy, there was a few mistakes made by Intelligence Analysts and their bosses over the strike group.

There will always be conspiracists who link coincidence and the loosest of evidence to claim a big cover up but the evidence they provide is incredibly flimsy.

For the US government to have instigated or even colluded with the attacks, would mean one of the greatest conspiracies ever, with far too many people involved to keep it quiet even this long.

Incidentally if it was ever proven that Bush and Co had been part of it, they would have to stand trial, there would be no chance of any sort of pardon or immunity from prosecution and depending which state they were arrested in would mean not only the top echelons of his government but also many lesser politicians and bureaucrat not only being sentenced to long periods in jail, but most would face the death penalty.

That is just internally within the country they would also be subject to prosecution internationally for the follow up attacks on other sovereign countries, again the death penalty being the punishment.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

I watched it live on TV
so I do not need videos.

This was a the Clever Saudi Attack on NYC.

And what shocked me was Atta one leader Killer
was in Florida months before learning how to Fly
but not take off.
One FBI woman was told about him
but because it was a Femail FBI officer
it was not checked out enough.

So it could have been stopped.

Arista, this is not just a video of the towers collapsing. Most people saw that live on TV. I did myself and even then I found it strange that the buildings just went straight down, I remember thinking at the time that it wasn't right, and I was only 13/14 then.

It explains the many inconsistencies in the official story. The second does challenge some of it, but it does not totally disprove that something was fishy about it all. It doesnt even come close to disproving it.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Harry!

He was so upset he even continued to read a story book to a classroom for 7 mins after he heard the news of the second tower being hit.

Bush was to all intents and purposes a dullard, his brain couldnt cope with what was happening. He didnt know what to do for the moment so continued reading. It also served to prevent panic in the class, or would you have preferred to see him jump around like a headless chicken screaming about America being under attack.

[arista]

A Yank Pipeline
was going across land Bin Laden did not want it to.

So GW Bush and his Attitude before 9/11
ensured it would happen.
And Attacking Iraq had Feck all to do with 9/11

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Arista, this is not just a video of the towers collapsing. Most people saw that live on TV. I did myself and even then I found it strange that the buildings just went straight down, I remember thinking at the time that it wasn't right, and I was only 13/14 then.

It explains the many inconsistencies in the official story. The second does challenge some of it, but it does not totally disprove that something was fishy about it all. It doesnt even come close to disproving it.

Youtube video

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Arista, this is not just a video of the towers collapsing. Most people saw that live on TV. I did myself and even then I found it strange that the buildings just went straight down, I remember thinking at the time that it wasn't right, and I was only 13/14 then.

It explains the many inconsistencies in the official story. The second does challenge some of it, but it does not totally disprove that something was fishy about it all. It doesnt even come close to disproving it.

Yes I know
but I do not need more views on it.

It went down Live on Worldwide TV
it is a Fact that Atta and the Saudis
hit those buildings and with so much oil in those planes
they both went down.

I have been up the World Trade Center , before 2001,
and not all offices were taken.

The Metal in those buildings structure melted
they went down due to the Clever Saudi Attack.
Fact.


There was a Docu on why it went down like that
all due to Metal in the Cement melting.
All logical
once you understand what it is made of.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by InOne

Youtube video

Whilst that video is interesting, I never claimed to believe that the towers melted That is ridiculous beyond belief to even consider that they just melted :S

Its the way they fell straight down, exactly LIKE a controlled demolition that gets me. But that still isn't what confuses me the most about it all.

The whole pentagon side of it is.

Why not just release the bloody tapes of the plan crashing into it? It would shut the conspiracy theorists up. At least about that part of it. There has got to be footage. Its one of the most guarded buildings in america...if not THE most guarded. They released two tapes that I am aware of, and neither show a plane. They also released stills, of which, none show a plane.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Whilst that video is interesting, I never claimed to believe that the towers melted That is ridiculous beyond belief to even consider that they just melted :S

Its the way they fell straight down, exactly LIKE a controlled demolition that gets me. But that still isn't what confuses me the most about it all.

The whole pentagon side of it is.

Why not just release the bloody tapes of the plan crashing into it? It would shut the conspiracy theorists up. At least about that part of it. There has got to be footage. Its one of the most guarded buildings in america...if not THE most guarded. They released two tapes that I am aware of, and neither show a plane. They also released stills, of which, none show a plane.

Even if they did release the tapes, they still wouldn't shut up. These people spend far too much time thinking up these theories rather than getting on with their own lives.

[arista]

Vicky they Melted
due to Metal in the structure.

A Docu proved it.

[Shaun]

It makes me sick that people think this could have been faked. Or done by the Government.

Just...wow. Get a real grip on politics. Then we'll 'discuss' (there's very little solid claim to discuss) it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by InOne

Even if they did release the tapes, they still wouldn't shut up. These people spend far too much time thinking up these theories rather than getting on with their own lives.

Yes sad that Vicky has been sucked into all these wrong stories.


Fact it melted.
Oil from the Planes did the trick.
It was clever of those Saudi's

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by InOne

Even if they did release the tapes, they still wouldn't shut up. These people spend far too much time thinking up these theories rather than getting on with their own lives.

It may not shut everyone up, but it would help.

And if these tapes exist(which surely they must), there is no reason at all to not release them.

Originally Posted by arista

Vicky they Melted
due to Metal in the structure.

A Docu proved it.

The fire weakened the steel. It did not melt the towers. The weakening caused them to collapse. I never questioned this.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Shaun

It makes me sick that people think this could have been faked. Or done by the Government.

Just...wow. Get a real grip on politics. Then we'll 'discuss' (there's very little solid claim to discuss) it.

Well its Vicky.

I would lock this thread.

[arista]

"The fire weakened the steel. It did not melt the towers. The weakening caused them to collapse. I never questioned this. "


Good vicky
you can lock this now

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

It makes me sick that people think this could have been faked. Or done by the Government.

Just...wow. Get a real grip on politics. Then we'll 'discuss' (there's very little solid claim to discuss) it.

Not saying it was faked, or wasn't. Just questioning a few things.

Someone pointed me to those videos...never thought about it all before to be honest.

I think actually, it is more likely that the government stood back and allowed it, rather than that they actually did it. Though the reasoning for it is unclear...except for what Remy said above.

[Vicky.]

Why would I lock it arista?

[Shasown]

The reinforcing of the buildings was affected by the impacts of the aircraft and the subsequent fires, floors above eventually collapsed down the stressed structure of the building wasnt designed to withstand downward impacts so a very fast ripple collapse occurred.