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arista · 14-09-2010, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Why would I lock it arista?

Because there is no need to Question why the buildings went down
it was a Clever Saudi Attack.
Level with Japans Pearl harbour Attack.

Vicky. · 14-09-2010, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

Because there is no need to Question why the buildings went down
it was a Clever Saudi Attack.
Level with Japans Pearl harbour Attack.

But I am not questioning why the buildings went down :S

arista · 14-09-2010, 06:35 PM

"On the other, how on earth, if the government did not plan/allow this, did this all happen without some kind of intervention? "

Saying "If "
GWBush planned this is Crazy

Thats why you would Lock it.

and all from DS threads
they are below this Forum

Shasown · 14-09-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

The whole pentagon side of it is.

Why not just release the bloody tapes of the plan crashing into it? It would shut the conspiracy theorists up. At least about that part of it. There has got to be footage. Its one of the most guarded buildings in america...if not THE most guarded. They released two tapes that I am aware of, and neither show a plane. They also released stills, of which, none show a plane.

The pentagon wasnt highly guarded, no air defence measures, and very little physical defence, ie men on the ground. It had and still has IR fences and seismic detectors mostly. Clear zones and high crash proof fences.

Videos would have mostly been pointed at entries for people as opposed to an air threat up until this point in time the air threat was never considered. It was always though National Guard air defence assets could be scrambled in time, multiple hijack occurences and real time confusion sort of blew that one out of the air.

Videos have been released from local petrol stations etc though grainy do show a passenger aircraft.

Vicky. · 14-09-2010, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

The pentagon wasnt highly guarded, no air defence measures, and very little physical defence, ie men on the ground. It had and still has IR fences and seismic detectors mostly. Clear zones and high crash proof fences.

Videos would have mostly been pointed at entries for people as opposed to an air threat up until this point in time the air threat was never considered. It was always though National Guard air defence assets could be scrambled in time, multiple hijack occurences and real time confusion sort of blew that one out of the air.

Videos have been released from local petrol stations etc though grainy do show a passenger aircraft.

Interesting. Will look for those videos.

I was never saying that I totally bought into these theories, but a lot of it did confuse me.

Just thought it would be an interesting discussion

And arista, I will not be locking this thread. There is no reason to do so.

arista · 14-09-2010, 06:54 PM

Vicky
what is it you do not understand, yourself.

Not all the Freaks from DS.

Shasown · 14-09-2010, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Interesting. Will look for those videos.

I was never saying that I totally bought into these theories, but a lot of it did confuse me.

Just thought it would be an interesting discussion

And arista, I will not be locking this thread. There is no reason to do so.

Mentions them here Vicky

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4990686.stm

Smithy · 14-09-2010, 06:59 PM

It's weird because I was thinking about it a few days ago, and although some things don't seem to make sense I doubt that the US government were involved.

But it does make you think, especially after the terrorists VISA card was found amongst the rubble of the towers

King Gizzard · 14-09-2010, 07:00 PM

short change 9/11 documentary = one of the best i've ever watched

Vicky. · 14-09-2010, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

Mentions them here Vicky

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4990686.stm

So the video still doesn't actually show a 757?

I tried looking on youtube for it, but just got loads more videos just showing the explosion :S

Captain.Remy · 14-09-2010, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun

It makes me sick that people think this could have been faked. Or done by the Government.

Just...wow. Get a real grip on politics. Then we'll 'discuss' (there's very little solid claim to discuss) it.

Shaun, if you actually studied politics and spent over 10 hours studying the 9/11 topic at Uni, you would know things aren't what they look like on TV. That's what politics + media are all about: people buy what they see on TV and don't make an opinion by themselves.

People also need to understand that governments don't do things on their goodwill or because they have a nice heart: money rules the world. The more dominant you are on natural resources, the more powerful you are. The next big battle will be about water, because trust me, water is the next gold.

As for my short reasoning above, I could have gone for a very very very very very long post describing everything from A to Z but I made it short.

Smithy · 14-09-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

The next big battle will be about water, because trust me, water is the next gold.

If they can ever develop the technology

Shasown · 14-09-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

So the video still doesn't actually show a 757?

I tried looking on youtube for it, but just got loads more videos just showing the explosion :S

Try this,

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...8482624505213#

Thats about the best copy I could find of the time lapse vid from one of the filling stations.

Captain.Remy · 14-09-2010, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Smithy

If they can ever develop the technology

No need for big technology, what we have now is already good for it. Politicians are starting to get very interested on the subject because we know we're screwed for fuel, now water is about to become a hot topic.

MTVN · 14-09-2010, 07:25 PM

What happened? Terrorists flew two planes into the Twin Towers in an organised attack. That's it.

Vicky. · 14-09-2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

Try this,

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...8482624505213#

Thats about the best copy I could find of the time lapse vid from one of the filling stations.

Yeah thats the one that I already saw.

It shows something going towards it, then the explosion...but it really does not look like a passenger plane to me tbh :/

Vicky. · 14-09-2010, 07:47 PM

Just looking into it more now. No doubt the videos below will be rubbished, but I think they are quite interesting. Not saying I believe one way or the other, but its interesting to find some experts in stuff like this that agree that it is dodgy. When quite a lot of people who deny anything was off about that day claim that no experts agree with the conspiracists

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av9ZE7X9sFI

Physics professor Stephen jones...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6D4dla17aA

Dutch demolition expert on wtc7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns_hjONWZ88

Tom Sullivan-Explosives technician...

The way wtc7 collapse is also quite interesting. I can take the explanation of weakened steel and parts collapsing onto of each other, causing the flatpack effect that we saw with the other towers. But wtc7, started collapsing from the bottom. No top floors collapsed, causing the others to collapse... like with the other 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

Straight down...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ET...eature=related

A new camera angle on it. Still nothing collapsing ontop of other floors..to make it flatpack.

If this building did indeed collapse due to fire weakening the steel, like the other two buildings...how on earth did it fall in the way it did? Straight down, like the other 2. But no reason for it. The first two went down because the fire and impact weakened the steel structure and made floors collapse onto of each other, that does actually make sense. But with wtc7... it does not.

Smithy · 14-09-2010, 07:51 PM

Vicky your gonna get killed by the FBI tonight

arista · 14-09-2010, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

What happened? Terrorists flew two planes into the Twin Towers in an organised attack. That's it.

Yes Bang On Right
sadly the DS forums
have sent Vicky the wrong way.

Vicky. · 14-09-2010, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Yes Bang On Right
sadly the DS forums
have sent Vicky the wrong way.

You are making out like the only reason I made this was because of a thread on DS. No, the thread on DS got me thinking about it, then I watched loads of stuff and confused myself even more and have come to the conclusion that everything is not as it appears IMO.

Sorry if I dare to question the official line.

MTVN · 14-09-2010, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

You are making out like the only reason I made this was because of a thread on DS. No, the thread on DS got me thinking about it, then I watched loads of stuff and confused myself even more and have come to the conclusion that everything is not as it appears IMO.

Sorry if I dare to question the official line.

I just dont see why, after every major event, there always have to be conspiracy theories. There's conspiracies about man landing on the moon, 7/7, the New World Order etc. all of which could probably appear convincing after some twisting of the facts and some biased, edited footage.

Maybe I'm narrow-minded but I have very little time for conspiracies, I tend to hold the view that the simplest, obvious explanation is the right one

BBfan46 · 14-09-2010, 08:28 PM

In all honesty, it's human nature to doubt big events in society. As corrupt and ignorant the US Government they couldn't possibly justify destroying the World Trade Center and launching an attack on the president's home! They'd have had no way of knowing the passengers would fight back and take back the plane. Theories like this are up all the time, there's a really interesting one on Michael Jackson's death. It's fascinating but lies most likely.

www.michaeljacksonsightings.com

ange7 · 15-09-2010, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well it seems we dont all know, as I was quickly branded a lunatic for daring to question the whole thing over on DS.

There is no denying that somethine is very very off about the whole thing, so many things just don't add up at all.

DID THEY!!!!!!?
What else did they call you? ...