[LeatherTrumpet]

if you go on press interest ( and for press/media read you and me)

Cher

Katie


the rest can f off


X-Factor is that something that makes you want to read about a person and watch them - only these 2 have it. DONT deny it.

[Stacey.]

Agreed that they both have the X Factor

[Jords]

Ugh no.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Jords

Ugh no.

face it

[Jords]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

face it

No.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Jords

No.

You must

[MTVN]

Yeah I agree. As much as I like Wagner as well, he's just a gimmick really tbh.

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if you go on press interest ( and for press/media read you and me)

Cher

Katie


the rest can f off


X-Factor is that something that makes you want to read about a person and watch them - only these 2 have it. DONT deny it.

Yeah you're probably right, those two do make the headlines....but so did Raol Moat & Saddam. But as this show is about a recording artist with the x-factor....then having two artists who struggle to sing is missing the point some what.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by StGeorge

Yeah you're probably right, those two do make the headlines....but so did Raol Moat & Saddam. But as this show is about a recording artist with the x-factor....then having two artists who struggle to sing is missing the point some what.

Your point is misplaced. Both your examples are not pop stars. if you still think the music business is about who can sing the best then I suggest you are way, way off the mark.

[Jack_]

I agree. Finally someone with some sense!

[GypsyGoth]

Kaite & Cher

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Your point is misplaced. Both your examples are not pop stars. if you still think the music business is about who can sing the best then I suggest you are way, way off the mark.

Im 47 LT....and if Cher is an example of what the current music business is all about....then you can shove it.

Fortunately there are some good young singers out there to keep me interested....but Cher's chav act is not one of them.

My point was that being a successful recording artist should be about selling copious amounts of records and keeping the appeal through time, and not just some five minute fad for being controversial, making headlines or having spiky hair.

[mizzy25]

cher reminds me of lady soverein of celeb bb fame although i liked sov i dont like cher

[Jords]

I wish people realised The X Factor is a singing contest which therefore should be based on their vocal ability, tone of voice and their stage presence/performance etc.

I hate when the judges throw '______ has definitely got The X Factor' when they dont even give a reason why! Gets right on my nipples.
The only reason why you think these 2 have this so called 'X Factor' is because of the outfits they wear and the fact they come across as bitches in the newspaper, which supposedly makes them more interesting (NAAAT).

Fair do's that personality plays a role, you dont get the urge to watch somebody dull, but to be quite honest Cher plays up to having an attitude and its more annoying than anything.

Having the 'X Factor' should be something to do with talent - Rebecca's tone/Matt's range/Wagner's general unique-ness when performing which is entertaining

Edit: Its quite easy to put on an attitude and dress up (I really like Katie but she was so desperate at Bootcamp and Live Show 1, although I do think she has it because her voice is so soft and unique).

[GiRTh]

Does making the headlines means they deserve to win a talent contest?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Does making the headlines means they deserve to win a talent contest?

Yes. Because it's about who is the most commercially viable. Do you really see John selling loads of records or having a sell-out tour?

Cher, on the other hand...

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes. Because it's about who is the most commercially viable. Do you really see John selling loads of records or having a sell-out tour?

Cher, on the other hand...

Cher on the other hand would flop similar to Joe

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Cher on the other hand would flop similar to Joe

Course she would...

Two female winners - the most successful. Four male winners - so far, only one has been successful. And then you add the fact that she has arguably been one of the most talked about and popular contestants this year. And that Tinie Tempah more or less said on Xtra Factor he would collaborate with her...and he has had a lot of chart success this year. Yeah, she'd really flop...

[Zippy]

I can't see any act this year being a big success tbh. I can see Cher having a couple of hits if she hooks up with the right producers(Tinie, call me) but I certainly don't see her selling out concerts n shyt.

Katie? Hmm if she found the right material maybe but the odds are against. Its cutthroat out there for female singers at the moment. Just tons of competition.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes. Because it's about who is the most commercially viable. Do you really see John selling loads of records or having a sell-out tour?

Cher, on the other hand...

The most talented should win a talent show. You should be looking at it like a viewer, your not Simon Cowell.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes. Because it's about who is the most commercially viable. Do you really see John selling loads of records or having a sell-out tour?

Cher, on the other hand...

Susan Boyle would sell out more venues than Cher so what do you mean by 'commercially viable'?

[Tom]

Mary also has the X Factor, so do Matt (even though I'm not so keen on him) and Rebecca

Cher is just a complete idiot and she makes me cringe

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jords

The most talented should win a talent show. You should be looking at it like a viewer, your not Simon Cowell.

But talent in this show is not just vocal ability, it includes stage presence, personality, the 'look', the whole package, basically - hence the name 'X Factor'. I might not be Simon Cowell, but at the end of the day the show is looking for an artist that is commercially viable...and those are the ones that people should be supporting, really. What's the point in having a winner that will not have any success following the show whatsoever, but letting them win just because they are, supposedly the most 'talented'? We may as well not bother watching the show if the winner is definitely not going to go on to be successful...

[MeMyselfAndI]

Well Leona is the X Factor. She wasnt making newspapers and stuff..
and i am sure she will be more sucessfull than cher and katie.
you are totally wrong. Its the best singers that will do the best and crack worldwide.. hence leona

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But talent in this show is not just vocal ability, it includes stage presence, personality, the 'look', the whole package, basically - hence the name 'X Factor'. I might not be Simon Cowell, but at the end of the day the show is looking for an artist that is commercially viable...and those are the ones that people should be supporting, really. What's the point in having a winner that will not have any success following the show whatsoever, but letting them win just because they are, supposedly the most 'talented'? We may as well not bother watching the show if the winner is definitely not going to go on to be successful...

Well If we go by the most sucessfull one ever. Thats Leona she never had all this press and newspapers before, and look at her! This thread means nothing imo, it is a singing contest, and the best singers do the best, people dont listen to music because someone has a good personality, or because they enjoy reading about them. They listen to them to listen through an album. I mean who would want to listen to an Album by Katie Waissel? NO ONE