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The X Factor 2010 [S7] Series 7 of ITV's music reality show, The X Factor, won by Matt Cardle. Runner up was Rebecca Ferguson. Third was One Direction.

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when i said judges i meant simon cowell,and last year he voted rachel out over lloyd because it was her third time in the bottom two which i excepted,but why is he not doing the same with katie this year? treyc and aiden were much better singers and performers imo,yet he still saved katie when she hit it for her third and fourth time.

and peter sutcliffe cowell cant have changed that much in a year.
Hmm...I don't know, maybe because, just a wild guess, he was bored of Rachel? Or didn't like her anymore? And maybe he isn't bored of Katie anymore and still likes her? Just a guess...

And since when has Simon Cowell been a serial killer?
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Hmm...I don't know, maybe because, just a wild guess, he was bored of Rachel? Or didn't like her anymore? And maybe he isn't bored of Katie anymore and still likes her? Just a guess...

And since when has Simon Cowell been a serial killer?
it still dosent change that rachel was way better than lloyd in singing and performing, rachel also kicked his ass in the sing off aswell.

simon isnt a serial killer but i do think its bad that his taking better contestants out over katie,and even though i loved jedward they also should have lost to lucie last year as lucie was better.
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it still dosent change that rachel was way better than lloyd in singing and performing, rachel also kicked his ass in the sing off aswell.
In your opinion. And besides, Simon and all of the other Judges can save acts for whatever reason they like, as many times as they like, whenever they see fit. That's what they're employed to do - cast their own votes. They don't have to consult you, me or anyone else before doing so. If one of them wanted to save an act because they were taller than the other - they could. Because it's their vote - not yours. Of course I wouldn't admit to that if I were them, and I doubt they would either - but they are entitled to vote for whoever they want, as many times as they want, for whatever reason they want. It's as simple as that.

I'm amazed that you are still missing the point, to be quite honest.

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simon isnt a serial killer
So why are you putting his surname on the end of a serial killer's name?
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In your opinion. And besides, Simon and all of the other Judges can save acts for whatever reason they like, as many times as they like, whenever they see fit. That's what they're employed to do - cast their own votes. They don't have to consult you, me or anyone else before doing so. If one of them wanted to save an act because they were taller than the other - they could. Because it's their vote - not yours. Of course I wouldn't admit to that if I were them, and I doubt they would either - but they are entitled to vote for whoever they want, as many times as they want, for whatever reason they want. It's as simple as that.

I'm amazed that you are still missing the point, to be quite honest.



So why are you putting his surname on the end of a serial killer's name?
im surprised if people think stiff lloyd is better than rachel in singing.

and im extremely annoyed at simon so im throwing a really bad insult at him.
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im surprised if people think stiff lloyd is better than rachel in singing.
But this isn't just a singing competition. I'm baffled people still believe it is.

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and im extremely annoyed at simon so im throwing a really bad insult at him.
Aiden's on tour now anyway, so cheer up
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But this isn't just a singing competition. I'm baffled people still believe it is.



Aiden's on tour now anyway, so cheer up
i actually believe you have also got to have stage pressence.

and they have tried to make us aiden fans shut up but im still pissed off his been cheated out of his place.
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i actually believe you have also got to have stage pressence.

and they have tried to make us aiden fans shut up but im still pissed off his been cheated out of his place.
He was not cheated out of anything.. he was just outclassed by a much much much better singer.
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He was not cheated out of anything.. he was just outclassed by a much much much better singer.
he was cheated out of his place and katie cant outclass cher lloyd.
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it still dosent change that rachel was way better than lloyd in singing and performing, rachel also kicked his ass in the sing off aswell.

simon isnt a serial killer but i do think its bad that his taking better contestants out over katie,and even though i loved jedward they also should have lost to lucie last year as lucie was better.
This staement from you jf, shows great fairness, because you really do like Jedward but also admit that likely in fairness Lucie should have stayed.

That comment from you commands respect for it.

Also as to giving Katie a break as this thread asks for her,, for goodness sake now many more breaks, she has had 4 chances now, more than any previous X Factor contestant ever and still hasn't improved her status on the show and with the public who vote. All those chances too following the major one she got to be put through at all to the 'live' finals despite forgetting her words at Cheryl's house,that was long before any press reports started too.
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No, I genuinely don't believe the rules have been manipulated.
Maybe i should of explained myself more, and as to why i put the word rules in italics.

IMO the judges have manipulated this show by favouring the people they are mentoring during singoffs irrespective of whether they are the best/worst act.
This to many flies in the face of this being a competition to find the best singer when its quite clear favouritism to ones own comes before better talent.
And it even got worse when Louis voted for the Conway Sisters(Scowells act) over a better act because they were Irish and he knew them.

Its because of this that many have turned the tide as they see that the main rule..find the best act.. has been broken.

And its why Wagner is getting the support he does, and why someone they see as being favoured, gets the hate.

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Great post happyland,it's about time people took it back to an X Factor competition,and not a game as you say.
That would be a good thing yes, but the only way for it to be about finding the best talent would be if the mentoring/favouring/bias was removed from the judges, and so it becomes a contest between the acts and not the judges.

Until then, this will remain just a game show, and one where the participation by the public means they can go head-to-head with the judges.
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Eh? How have the Judges made it into a 'game'? Why do you still not understand? The Judges can vote for whoever they want. You do not have a say after the Bottom Two has been announced. That's it. It's not a 'game', it's their vote - a vote they're entitled to use in any way they wish. Their vote. Not yours, not mine, not the rest of the public's. Their's.
Exactly....100% correct....and so do the public.

And so for Happyland to insinuate that the public are the ones who have started to manipulate this show is wrong..as its the judges who started it by voting bias towards their act, and not the best act.

Why do you and others still not understand that is why the protest votes keep the Wagners in?

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But this isn't just a singing competition. I'm baffled people still believe it is.


You need to look at what context a few of us have made our comments, and they followed on from this by Happyland where he talks of the show being about a singing contest:

"If the whole country came to its senses at once and decided to base the competition on singing ability, Wagner would be out: he's by far, the worst singer left, surely nobody could argue that point?! The whole show seems to have just turned into a game, a game controlled by the media and dafties who start internet campaigns. "
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Exactly....100% correct....and so do the public.

And so for Happyland to insinuate that the public are the ones who have started to manipulate this show is wrong..as its the judges who started it by voting bias towards their act, and not the best act.
You're not really making any sense. Of course the Judges are going to be biased and vote for their own acts in the sing-off, that's just the way the mentoring works and it has been the same since X Factor began. That's just the way it is. But even so, they are still entitled to vote for whoever they wish to, as many times as they like. If you [and others] don't like that, then I suggest you either vote for your favourite(s) to ensure they aren't at risk of that process, or just quite simply don't watch - as it has been this way for seven years. Once two acts are in the Bottom Two, the public do not have a say unless of course it goes to Deadlock. The show has survived seven series with this format - so why is there a problem now?

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Why do you and others still not understand that is why the protest votes keep the Wagners in?
LOL, the protest votes to keep Wagner in are a big fat ****ing fail. It makes me laugh how people assume it's going to have any detrimental effect on the show or 'piss Simon off', as that seems to be the idea behind it. Just for the record though - I don't mind Wagner, and the public are entitled to vote for whoever they wish. That's when they get their say. Not when two acts are in the Bottom Two. I just think it's hilarious how people are backing him to 'spite' Simon.

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You're not really making any sense. Of course the Judges are going to be biased and vote for their own acts in the sing-off, that's just the way the mentoring works and it has been the same since X Factor began. That's just the way it is. But even so, they are still entitled to vote for whoever they wish to, as many times as they like. If you [and others] don't like that, then I suggest you either vote for your favourite(s) to ensure they aren't at risk of that process, or just quite simply don't watch - as it has been this way for seven years. Once two acts are in the Bottom Two, the public do not have a say unless of course it goes to Deadlock. The show has survived seven series with this format - so why is there a problem now?



LOL, the protest votes to keep Wagner in are a big fat ****ing fail. It makes me laugh how people assume it's going to have any detrimental effect on the show or 'piss Simon off', as that seems to be the idea behind it. Just for the record though - I don't mind Wagner, and the public are entitled to vote for whoever they wish. That's when they get their say. Not when two acts are in the Bottom Two. I just think it's hilarious how people are backing him to 'spite' Simon.
but simon shouldnt say he would vote the act out if they hit the bottom two for there third time then,because that was his reason for voting rachel out over lloyd last year,not because he was bored of her.

yet his got rid of treyc over katie and got rid of aiden over katie when them two acts hadnt hit it for there third or fourth time where as katie has,oh and it makes a mockery of his decision to take out his own act against chico as they both hit it for there third time.
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Katie's voice is so good, I wish people would just give her a proper chance!
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It's average at best.
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Her voice is very average and that's even stretching things a bit, she also has little stage presence too.
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Can some one please explain WHY there is madness around her? All i say is a desperate wannabe who has no talent. She can't sing folks. She is a rubbish singer. So why is there this madness about her?

She is just desperate to make it in any way. Its sad really that she has even made it to week 7. At least Wagner is entertaining and actually loves the hate. Katie is just a sad sight to be honest.
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but simon shouldnt say he would vote the act out if they hit the bottom two for there third time then,because that was his reason for voting rachel out over lloyd last year,not because he was bored of her.

yet his got rid of treyc over katie and got rid of aiden over katie when them two acts hadnt hit it for there third or fourth time where as katie has,oh and it makes a mockery of his decision to take out his own act against chico as they both hit it for there third time.
Um, I don't know...maybe because...Rachel is not Katie? He applied that reason to Rachel, not Katie. Rachel. So what if he doesn't apply the same reason to another contestant? He clearly likes Katie a lot more than he does Rachel, or else he would've saved Rachel, wouldn't he? And he's entitled to like some acts more than others, you know. And he's also entitled to apply any reason he sees fit to justify his vote. And he can vote for any act he wishes. Like I said, if you don't like that - then I suggest you either vote for your favourite(s), or don't watch the show. It's been this way for seven years - nothing has changed.
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Um, I don't know...maybe because...Rachel is not Katie? He applied that reason to Rachel, not Katie. Rachel. So what if he doesn't apply the same reason to another contestant? He clearly likes Katie a lot more than he does Rachel, or else he would've saved Rachel, wouldn't he? And he's entitled to like some acts more than others, you know. And he's also entitled to apply any reason he sees fit to justify his vote. And he can vote for any act he wishes. Like I said, if you don't like that - then I suggest you either vote for your favourite(s), or don't watch the show. It's been this way for seven years - nothing has changed.
so its ok then he can be a hypocrite? not.
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You're not really making any sense. Of course the Judges are going to be biased and vote for their own acts in the sing-off, that's just the way the mentoring works and it has been the same since X Factor began.
Unfortunately i am the only one making sense when you put mine and others into context with the original comment by Happland....he has raised the point of this being a singing contest and not a game show....and its that reason why having favouritism via mentors who then judge is a flawed system.

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That's just the way it is. But even so, they are still entitled to vote for whoever they wish to, as many times as they like. If you [and others] don't like that, then I suggest you either vote for your favourite(s) to ensure they aren't at risk of that process, or just quite simply don't watch - as it has been this way for seven years. Once two acts are in the Bottom Two, the public do not have a say unless of course it goes to Deadlock. The show has survived seven series with this format - so why is there a problem now?
But again....you are missing the point of the original comments as Happyland was questioning the public turning this into a game show....surely they too have every right to vote for who they damn well please as they are not being paid vast sums of money to do a job, but are in fact the ones who are expected to stump up their hard earned cash to see fair play.
and I think you'll find there has been unrest for awhile now, hence the protest vote for last years xmas No1.



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LOL, the protest votes to keep Wagner in are a big fat ****ing fail. It makes me laugh how people assume it's going to have any detrimental effect on the show or 'piss Simon off', as that seems to be the idea behind it. Just for the record though - I don't mind Wagner, and the public are entitled to vote for whoever they wish. That's when they get their say. Not when two acts are in the Bottom Two. I just think it's hilarious how people are backing him to 'spite' Simon.
I....dont think so seeing as he is still there whilst better acts are going out. And its been well documented that Scowell is pissed off with the way the public ruined his No1 last year, and the protest vote for lesser acts.
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Haters gonna hate. People who say she only sings 'ok' or 'average' are kidding themselves because when she has done a good performance (all sing-offs bar the 'sod this' one,and 2nd + 3rd live performances) shes been great, she may not be your cup of tea but lets be honest about it!
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