[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Unbelievably bitter, and completely incensed - that's exactly how you appear to be coming across.

Do you have some direct personal involvment in the show and who the winner is: you seem to have some real anger going on. It's a show. It's not the end of the world.

You're the one getting personal my friend. I've not accused anyone on this site of voting for him because of his looks yet I'm being branded as bitter & jealous just because my views aren't with the majority. Deal with it.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Prezzie

It's because male voters are a minority in reality shows, anyone can tell you that. Most of the time it's women who have the majority vote.

So what. The same could be said of a great majority of reality / entertainment shows.

That's the way the cookie crumbles. The man won, through votes - the public (regardless of which section), but the majority of the public watching the show who partook in voting: voted for him to win.

You don't think he deserved it, you're clearly in the minority.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Vixen

I didnt mean everyone who dislikes him is jealous at all. But surely it makes sense, if its ok to pigeonhole people who voted for him into voting 'coz hes fit loik'

But I wasn't even talking about like/dislike, just from a very neutral point of view, some of Matt's popularity derives from sex appeal - why does pointing that out make someone jealous? I've never understood this. -backs away from thread-

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Prezzie

It's because male voters are a minority in reality shows, anyone can tell you that. Most of the time it's women who have the majority vote.

Oh, so when women win, its just because the women have forgotten to vote for the 'fitties' then :')

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Baby Zeesus

But I wasn't even talking about like/dislike, just from a very neutral point of view, some of Matt's popularity derives from sex appeal - why does pointing that out make someone jealous? I've never understood this. -backs away from thread-

Some, fair enough. Some sad housewives will vote based on him being fit...even though personally I dont see it myself, but each to their own I guess.

Just really really dislike it when its made out like the majority vote based on looks.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Prezzie

You're the one getting personal my friend. I've not accused anyone on this site of voting for him because of his looks yet I'm being branded as bitter & jealous just because my views aren't with the majority. Deal with it.

Okay, you are telling me you are dicussing things reasonably, calmly and not displaying any signs of being bitter or angry about the final results?

I doubt it.

Oh, I'm not being personal, I'm giving my opinion on your comments and how your comments are being read. You personally may not be bitter, but that is how your posts are coming across: loud and clear.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Vixen

Oh, so when women win, its just because the women have forgotten to vote for the 'fitties' then :')

Well the only times they've won is when they've been against considerably less talented people or because of a well done duet. If the voting was equal then surely Candy Rain from last year would have done better then they did as they were good looking girls but since women are the majority voters they never stood much of a chance.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Okay, you are telling me you are dicussing things reasonably, calmly and not displaying any signs of being bitter or angry about the final results?

I doubt it.

Oh, I'm not being personal, I'm giving my opinion on your comments and how your comments are being read. You personally may not be bitter, but that is how your posts are coming across: loud and clear.

Please I've always argued my points why Matt was undeserving loud and clear and I've given him credit too, I could repeat them hear but I'd only get called bitter again because my opinion goes against yours so what's the point?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Prezzie

Please I've always argued my points why Matt was undeserving loud and clear and I've given him credit too, I could repeat them hear but I'd only get called bitter again because my opinion goes against yours so what's the point?

You seriously don't think you aren't going completely overboard on this? Seriously?

It's a show. The man won. It's over.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Vixen

Some, fair enough. Some sad housewives will vote based on him being fit...even though personally I dont see it myself, but each to their own I guess.

Just really really dislike it when its made out like the majority vote based on looks.

I'd say good looks aid talent; in the same way it aided One Direction - but looking at how well Matt did in the votes every single week, it's obvious that his talent was what took him so far, I just think it's silly to get into arguments about jealousy when it's just a natural thing that good looks will endear contestants to people who find them attractive.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Baby Zeesus

But I wasn't even talking about like/dislike, just from a very neutral point of view, some of Matt's popularity derives from sex appeal - why does pointing that out make someone jealous? I've never understood this. -backs away from thread-

Isn't it the same thing when say Rhianna and Christina are liked because of their bodies ,and men are commenting on boobs etc,isn't their popularity derived from sex appeal,

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Vixen

Oh, so when women win, its just because the women have forgotten to vote for the 'fitties' then :')

woman need to win more often

all the men flop

LMFAOPMSLOSDGHDPAJG0ID

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Baby Zeesus

I'd say good looks aid talent; in the same way it aided One Direction - but looking at how well Matt did in the votes every single week, it's obvious that his talent was what took him so far, I just think it's silly to get into arguments about jealousy when it's just a natural thing that good looks will endear contestants to people who find them attractive.

What a pleasure to read a well balanced post based on fact and not 'opinion' (whether for or against Matt).

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Snowball

You seriously don't think you aren't going completely overboard on this? Seriously?

It's a show. The man won. It's over.

I'm not i'm discusiing this calmly and reasonably, you're the one trying to paint me as some sort of raving lunatic instead of trying to take on my very valid points head one.

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Scott

woman need to win more often

all the men flop

LMFAOPMSLOSDGHDPAJG0ID

Because all the women lose interest in them once they aren't on TV every week

I went there

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Prezzie

I'm not i'm discusiing this calmly and reasonably, you're the one trying to paint me as some sort of raving lunatic instead of trying to take on my very valid points head one.

I don't have to paint you as anything. I think I'm most likely that I am not alone in thinking that you are taking this all a wee bit to heart.

Feel free to vent of course, but I certainly don't think your posts sounds as though you are calm or reasonable about it all. You seem to simply not be able to accept that the man won fair and square. That's the very valid point you seem to be missing I'm afraid.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

The only reason why he won was because he went first in every round over this weekend, its no coincidence that each act to be eliminated went last.

that is nothing to do with it, last year Joe sang last and won the year before Alexandra sang last and won, he topped the votes every week bar one, he was just more popular

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Prezzie

I'm not i'm discusiing this calmly and reasonably, you're the one trying to paint me as some sort of raving lunatic instead of trying to take on my very valid points head one.

You do make reasonable criticisms. Matt does struggle in sustained low notes. He hasn't found a unique sound and needs one as his natural voice quality is 'plain' as you said.
It is also true he is great with ballads but not so hot when it comes to rock and roll/pop.

The 'irrational' part seems to come along when we ask 'compared to what'?
Compared to Celine Dion?
Compared to Michael Buble?
Compared to what a flawless singer ought to sound like?
More importantly here is - compared to what other contestants?

Matt's 'flaws' were still better than most any other contestants bests.
Matt's weaker 'low note' was still a much better low note than (for example) Cher's best low note.
Matt's slight struggle with rock and roll was still sung levels beyond Katie's best Rock and Roll performance.
and so on....

Even here it becomes the overall comparison. Matt's strengths were very strong and heavily outweighed his weaknesses. This cannot be said for other performers who (for example) maybe could sustain a low note better than Matt but did not come close to him on (example) high-notes.

The question isn't whether or not Matt is the perfect singer in the UK or world today and therefore deserving of this.
The question is "was Matt the best in this competition" and yes he was.

Having said that - I still LOVE Rebecca and I don't consider there to be a huge gap between those two.
Mary is another.

But justice was served and here is the thing with Matt - he CAN improve his slightly weak areas.
(and he does not have to do rock and roll either).

[MeMyselfAndI]

Yeah, very consistent and good.
Although Gamu, Aiden, TreyC and Cher were my faves. Matt was next and very deserving

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Prezzie

I'm not i'm discusiing this calmly and reasonably, you're the one trying to paint me as some sort of raving lunatic instead of trying to take on my very valid points head one.

coming from somebody that had matt as there 3rd favourite this year,i do think your posts come across quite bitter about matt? did he do something to you in the past?

[Captain.Remy]

Obviously yes yes and YES.

He was unbelievable from day 1 to now. He took revenge for Rhydian and Olly.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Snowball

I don't have to paint you as anything. I think I'm most likely that I am not alone in thinking that you are taking this all a wee bit to heart.

Feel free to vent of course, but I certainly don't think your posts sounds as though you are calm or reasonable about it all. You seem to simply not be able to accept that the man won fair and square. That's the very valid point you seem to be missing I'm afraid.

You are not,I was somewhat surprised at some of the comments from what I thought was a very level headed person,funny how we perceive people.

[joeysteele]

We all have our favourites and in a show like this we will like maybe a fair few of the acts and not just one act. We may even support more than one act too with our votes.

The point made as to being on first being a disadvantage(made by jesus christ/jedward fever) is a very valid one, as even Simon states singing first can put you at a disadvantage as people forget the performance sometimes.

The main point is that not only has Matt won but it would appear he has been the front runner for all the series,always being in the first 2 placings each week. That must be a record in itself.

He is therefore a very worthy winner and he is also a good winner too, he has an incredidble vocal range and his recordings and concerts will be extremely good. It appears in fact that only Rebecca could have likely ever maybe just had a chance to win this but the others were always either rather low in votes or out the running from day 1.

Well done to Dannii too, she got some stick for giving him female stars songs to sing but as he has been in the first 2 placings and in first place for most weeks in the series,then her choices clearly struck well with the public, she has done a superb job on Matt,she is the only judge/mentor to ever get the winner and runner up in the same final and she now has this win with Matt.

Well deserved to both her and Matt and if I was ever on X Factor I would want Dannii as my mentor.
Matt simply in this series, wiped the floor with all the competition,that cannot be taken away from him, like him or not.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Prezzie

It's because male voters are a minority in reality shows, anyone can tell you that. Most of the time it's women who have the majority vote.

From what I've heard both on here and in real life, Matt has plenty of male fans too

[fruit_cake]

I thought Matt was the most consistent performer so yes he deserved to win.