[lostalex]

OMG, are you honestly comparing "slavery" in the native tribes, to Institutional slavery, and the Slave TRADE, the HUGE INDUSTRY that was colonial slavery.

I'm sorry, but i feel you are being disingenuous. There is no comparison. You are distracting from the issue you know that i am talking about. I am talking about the SLAVE TRADE.

To compare the slavery that was an integral part of European colonialism and was a BILLION DOLLAr INDUSTRY to the slavery that may or may not have existed in tribal native american culture is ridiculous and disingenuous. IMHO.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i did not say that britain alone CREATED the slave trade. I mean Europe as a continent, Colonialism. I know you brits like to separate yourselves from the European continent, but at the time, you were all scrambling to conquer as many lands as possible, and slavery was part of that strategy.

For Europe to deny it's responsibilities is outrageous. The vast majority of Natives killed in the Americas (north and south) and all other colonies were killed by diseases, not by war.

All Slavery in the Americas (north and south) was implemented by European colonialism. You made it, it's your design, and the consequences fall on your shoulders.

To deny it, is simply ignorant.

I feel truly sorry for you since you are clearly a victim of your insular and globally ignorant education system,and are therefore not really responsible for the utter drivel that you spout on this forum. Good God, now you're trying to say that the vast majority of Natives killed in the Americas died from diseases, without mentioning that the reason for that was the fact that they were robbed of their land and their livelihood, and starved and exposed to the plethora of diseases like syphilis brought in by immigrants. If that ain't your fault, who's is it?

No matter how much you Americans bluster and justify, the genocide of the Native Indians is at least on par with Hitler's extermination of the Jews. Hitler is reputed to have been inspired by the genocide of the Indians to formulate his own extermination policy of the Jews, and the concentration camps were inspired by the reservations onto which the Indians were herded. Percentage-wise the genocide of the American Indians exceeds the horror of the German atrocities perpetrated in the death camps against Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Russians, communists, etc. combined. Now ain't that something?

The US has now embarked on a neverending war against terrorism, which justifies its' military presence all over the globe, under the guise of "protection". The list of countries predicted as future recipients of American devastation and occupation are Somalia, Iraq, The Philippines, Iran, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Cuba etc etc. Like the Nazis, they invade where they are not wanted. The bombings in Afghanistan have resulted in an innocent civilian death toll far in excess of the 9/11 toll, or even the Nazi bombings of innocent civilians. Were you aware of that?

As I have said before, before you start slinging accusations around, take a look in your own backyard - America is in no position to set itself up as the moral guardian of the world, when it is itself steeped in the innocent blood of millions.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

OMG, are you honestly comparing "slavery" in the native tribes, to Institutional slavery, and the Slave TRADE, the HUGE INDUSTRY that was colonial slavery.

I'm sorry, but i feel you are being disingenuous. There is no comparison. You are distracting from the issue you know that i am talking about. I am talking about the SLAVE TRADE.

To compare the slavery that was an integral part of European colonialism and was a BILLION DOLLAr INDUSTRY to the slavery that may or may not have existed in tribal native american culture is ridiculous and disingenuous. IMHO.

No thats not what i am doing at all.

Merely correcting you on your inaccuracies.

Its not a question of it may or may not having existed in native american cultures. it did exist FACT.

You led the thread astray with the assertion that financial aid to India etc was fair and due recompense for the slave trade, stating that ALL slavery in the Americas was down to the Europeans. That is factually incorrect. I corrected you.

I note with great amusement you didnt include slavery in Meso American cultures in your last post. Or that slavery also existed in the cultures of Africa itself before the European involvement.

Yes Europeans colonists did use slavery, in a big way. Where did we learn it? Slavery was used all through history, going all the way back to Mesopotamian and probably earlier cultures. Its a human thing not a European thing.

So climb down off your soap box, calm down and keep taking the tablets.

I know you like trying to browbeat the Europeans and the British in particular but you really do need to sit down with a therapist and work out this inferiority complex you have and hopefully deal with your insecurities.

Now can this thread return to topic?

[lostalex]

I'm not on a soap box. I'm just saying that paying reparations IS appropriate. Even if you chose to call it "aid".

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I'm not on a soap box. I'm just saying that paying reparations IS appropriate. Even if you chose to call it "aid".

Thats one way to look at it in a very immature naive way, who am i to burst your bubble.(Bhopal)

I would say its more a way of ensuring future goodwill and co-operation, which no doubt your state department will once again in the future come a begging us to use for their benefit.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Thats one way to look at it in a very immature naive way, who am i to burst your bubble.(Bhopal)

I would say its more a way of ensuring future goodwill and co-operation, which no doubt your state department will once again in the future come a begging us to use for their benefit.

Oh yes, It's MY country that is dependent on YOUR country....

...you were saying something about being naive?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Oh yes, It's MY country that is dependent on YOUR country....

...you were saying something about being naive?

give up

you have been schooled

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Oh yes, It's MY country that is dependent on YOUR country....

...you were saying something about being naive?

There you go again changing real documented facts into something else.

I didnt say the US were dependent on the UK. I said the US State Department will come asking us to intervene on their behalf with some other country we have better relations with. (Thats just about every other country really).

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

There you go again changing real documented facts into something else.

I didnt say the US were dependent on the UK. I said the US State Department will come asking us to intervene on their behalf with some other country we have better relations with. (Thats just about every other country really).

riiiight, cause the UK is sooo loved around the world... lol

again.... you mentioned being naive??

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

give up

you have been schooled

you're cute. *pats LT on the head*

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

riiiight, cause the UK is sooo loved around the world... lol

again.... you mentioned being naive??

No maybe we arent loved around the world, but we arent quite as hated as the Great Satan the US,

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Shasown

No maybe we arent loved around the world, but we arent quite as hated as the Great Satan the US,

and we are not as thick as they are

your witness m'lud

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

No maybe we arent loved around the world, but we arent quite as hated as the Great Satan the US,

Is that the Canada defense? Canadians love to say they arn't hated. Well, that's true, but it's also true, no one thinks about Canada or knows anything about Canada.

Obviously the less important you are, the less hated you are.
It's hard to hate someone you don't even notice.

And the reverse is also true, the more important you are, the more people focus on you, the more criticism you'll receive.

Are there worse singers than cheryl cole? of course there are. Do they receive as much hate and criticism as Cheryl Cole? No. Why? Because no one cares about them.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Is that the Canada defense? Canadians love to say they arn't hated. Well, that's true, but it's also true, no one thinks about Canada or knows anything about Canada.

Obviously the less important you are, the less hated you are.
It's hard to hate someone you don't even notice.

And the reverse is also true, the more important you are, the more people focus on you, the more criticism you'll receive.

Are there worse singers than cheryl cole? of course there are. Do they receive as much hate and criticism as Cheryl Cole? No. Why? Because no one cares about them.

I take it you will be majoring in convoluted thinking and naive reasoning, or will it be "History and how America ended the Dark Ages and heralded in the Rennaissance" when or should I say if you ever get to college.

Dont sweat it you will breeze either of those.

[lostalex]

Have i said 1 single positive thing about America?

What are you talking about? You are trying to frame this as if i'm praising the USA. Please quote one thing i've said in this thread that has praised the USA.

You can't.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Have i said 1 single positive thing about America?

What are you talking about? You are trying to frame this as if i'm praising the USA. Please quote one thing i've said in this thread that has praised the USA.

You can't.

Only in your mind.

I never said you had said anything in praise of the US or anyone else for that matter. Nor did I imply it.

I merely asked a question about if you go to college.

[lostalex]

You are being disingenuous again. You keep trying to frame me as some kind of crazed right wing nationalist for the USA. You have assumed that my criticism of the Uk and Europe equates to USA nationalism.

You are backtracking now.

I hesitate to call you a liar.

[Zippy]

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zippy

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by lostalex

etc, etc.

Youtube video

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You are being disingenuous again. You keep trying to frame me as some kind of crazed right wing nationalist for the USA. You have assumed that my criticism of the Uk and Europe equates to USA nationalism.

You are backtracking now.

I hesitate to call you a liar.

Pot Kettle grimey ass, springs to mind.

I dont hesitate though. Having seen some of your comments on this thread:
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...=1#post4123781

All the gear but no idea.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Pot Kettle grimey ass, springs to mind.

I dont hesitate though. Having seen some of your comments on this thread:
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...=1#post4123781

All the gear but no idea.

You think there's something wrong with defending your own country? Then remind me again why yu were in both iraq and afghanistan?

[lostalex]

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LMAO. seriously? ROsie O'DOnnell Also believes in the 9/11 conspiracies, she's a nutter. lol You;ve got plenty of conspiracy nuts in yur country aswell.. Gary Mckinnon ring a bell???

Are any of those stories less than 10 years old? That's the best you can do... AL SHARPTON, SERIOUSLY???

ROTFLMAO

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You think there's something wrong with defending your own country? Then remind me again why yu were in both iraq and afghanistan?

Because I signed a contract that said I had to follow orders and apart from anything else at times it was great fun.

Originally Posted by lostalex

LMAO. seriously? ROsie O'DOnnell Also believes in the 9/11 conspiracies, she's a nutter. lol You;ve got plenty of conspiracy nuts in yur country aswell.. Gary Mckinnon ring a bell???

Are any of those stories less than 10 years old? That's the best you can do... AL SHARPTON, SERIOUSLY???

ROTFLMAO

Yeah isnt he the man the Americans want extradited to face criminal charges for hacking into NASA etc?

Funny how the evidence the US State Department produced for extradition was deemed to be little more than hearsay. Incidentally why does your government want to prosecute as you put it "a nutter"? Or should that be persecute?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Funny how the evidence the US State Department produced for extradition was deemed to be little more than hearsay. Incidentally why does your government want to prosecute as you put it "a nutter"? Or should that be persecute?

ummm, he's admitted to hacking into NASA and the Pentagon. You don't need hearsay when the guy has ADMITTED his crime. He's claiming to be mentally retarded now though. *rolls eyes*