[Sam:)]

It has proven to have no medical benefits, so why should healthy babies have to go through a surgery which is basically cosmetic? I mean obviously some people need to get it done and some adults may want it but should it not be the persons choice and not the parents?

Discuss

[Livia]

Where is the proof that there is no medical benefit? I'd be very interested to see it. Also, when you say "babys" [sic] I take it that you mean baby boys, or are you encompassing female circumcision into this?

[Firewire]

I don't think it should be banned, because it doesn't cause the baby any medical defects when they grow up if they have had a circumcision, just less sensitivity. Also, the baby doesn't remember it. I don't think it should be banned. I wouldn't circumcise my children if I had any though, I don't think there's anything wrong with foreskin (this is if no medical circumcision is needed).

EDIT: This is just my view, I wouldn't get it done to any of my children if I had any, but this doesn't mean I think it should be banned.

[Firewire]

The poll doesn't make sense, 'to cut or not to cut?' with yes or no answers.

[Sam:)]

Originally Posted by Livia

Where is the proof that there is no medical benefit? I'd be very interested to see it. Also, when you say "babys" [sic] I take it that you mean baby boys, or are you encompassing female circumcision into this?

This is a decision that many parents face. There are many misconceptions and out-of-date information that parents may read. Here is a summary of the pertinent issues that you should consider when making this decision.

Medical benefits - THERE ARE NONE! Do not circumcise your baby because you think there are some medical benefits. A recent review by the American Academy of Pediatrics looked at all the data from the past decades to see if there truly were any medical benefits. Their conclusion - NO. There are no significant medical benefits that make circumcision worth doing. Here are a few benefits that we used to think were true, and now know are not.


Cleanliness - although it is true, a circumcised penis does not collect any white stuff underneath the foreskin like an intact penis does, THIS IS NOT A MEDICAL BENEFIT. It is really just one less area to wash in the shower.


Decreased risk of STD's - this was a myth that we now know is not true.


Decreased risk of penile cancer - it used to be thought that circumcised men had a much lower chance of cancer of the penis. We now know that this benefit is much smaller than previously thought. The AAP determined that this benefit is so tiny, it is not worth circumcising for this reason.


Avoiding infections in the foreskin - it is true, occasionally intact foreskins get irritated. This is easily treated with warms soaks and washing. Rarely, the irritated foreskin becomes infected. This requires antibiotics to clear up, but is easily treatable. Even if this does happen once or twice in a person's life, it is not a reason to circumcise at birth.


Avoiding the need to do it later on - very rarely, someone has a problem with recurrent infections in the foreskin that need antibiotic treatment. Some of these men then need to be circumcised in an operating room under general anesthesia. This is extremely rare, however, and is not a reason to circumcise everyone at birth.


Avoiding bladder infections - it used to thought that circumcised boys and men had a much lower chance of bladder infections. The AAP now knows that this benefit is very small, and is only true for the first few years of life. After that, there is no difference in the number of bladder infections. Again, not a reason to circumcise.


THEREFORE, IF YOU DECIDE TO CIRCUMCISE YOUR CHILD, DO NOT DO SO BECAUSE YOU THINK THERE IS ANY MEDICAL BENEFIT.

Religious reasons - some people choose to circumcise for religious or cultural reasons. This is a personal decision.


Don't want to be teased - while this may have been true in the U.S. decades ago, the truth is that your uncircumcised kids will be in good company in the locker room when they are teenagers. Less and less people in the U.S. are now circumcising their boys.


Too much trouble to take care of - some people think that an intact penis is too much trouble to pull back and clean, especially during childhood. Well, the truth is, you are not even supposed to pull back the foreskin until it naturally comes back on its own between age 3 years and adolescence. So there really isn't anything to even take care of until then.


Want your boy to look like dad - the main difference that your child will notice between him and dad is the hair. He won't even notice any difference in the penis until he is old enough that you can then explain to him the difference.


So, what are the reasons TO circumcise? Here is the list:
Religious reasons - as discussed above.


That is all. There really is no good reason to circumcise other that personal preference and religious reasons.



Are there any reasons NOT to circumcise? Consider these:

Leave nature alone - whether you believe God created men with a foreskin, or nature simply evolved this way, there must be some reason men have foreskins. Why change something that God/nature has created?


Sensation and sexual pleasure - the foreskin is filled with nerves, and is therefore extremely sensitive to touch. This enhances sexual pleasure.


Protects the glans (head) of the penis - the glans is another highly sensitive area. The foreskin protects the glans from constant rubbing and chaffing against clothing that can desensitize it over the years. This preserves sexual pleasure.


Ethical issues - there are groups of people worldwide, including medical societies, that oppose routine circumcision because they feel it is unethical for a parent to decide to alter the penis of their child without the child's consent. Parents who are deciding whether or not to circumcise their son may wish to consider the impact this may have in the future if the child decides they wish they were not circumcised.

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/pre...not-circumcise

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes mutilating children because of some phoney tradition is wrong and barbaric.

I am astounded that any parent would do this?

Putting a ring through a babies nose would cause no ill affect neither would tattooing them..

[Livia]

Copy some page off the Internet written by a doctor you've never heard of is not medical evidence.

I'm a Jew. We've circumcised boys for five thousand years. It's part of our religion.

You didn't mention whether or not you're including female circumcision into the question.

[Legend killer]

i Have got a question what is done with the Foreskin after it has been chopped off, is it just chucked in a bin or something???

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Legend killer

i Have got a question what is done with the Foreskin after it has been chopped off, is it just chucked in a bin or something???

The parents get to keep it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Legend killer

i Have got a question what is done with the Foreskin after it has been chopped off, is it just chucked in a bin or something???

Its used to make most Iphone pouches available today

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Copy some page off the Internet written by a doctor you've never heard of is not medical evidence.

I'm a Jew. We've circumcised boys for five thousand years. It's part of our religion.

You didn't mention whether or not you're including female circumcision into the question.

looking at many women i have seen naked i often wonder what had been chopped off to leave such a scar!

[Sam:)]

Originally Posted by Firewire

The poll doesn't make sense, 'to cut or not to cut?' with yes or no answers.

Ino sorry I meant to put the poll answers as to "cut" or "not to cut" but idk why I ended up doing that

[Legend killer]

Originally Posted by Firewire

The parents get to keep it.

Are you being serious

Look im a big fan of the Jews great people but what the **** why would you want to keep that

[Legend killer]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its used to make most Iphone pouches available today

Lucky i dont have an Iphone than

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

looking at many women i have seen naked i often wonder what had been chopped off to leave such a scar!

LOL... you're a nightmare.


In answer to the question what happens to the foreskin once it's been chopped off... many foreskins removed in hospital are sold on to the cosmetic industry. Remember that next time you're slapping on the face cream.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Legend killer

Are you being serious

Look im a big fan of the Jews great people but what the **** why would you want to keep that

I think that keeping children's baby-teeth in a box is a bit weird.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think that keeping children's baby-teeth in a box is a bit weird.

Stop doing it then and maybe the local kids will come back round your garden

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Legend killer

Are you being serious

Look im a big fan of the Jews great people but what the **** why would you want to keep that

I'm almost certain the parents can keep it if they want to.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Stop doing it then and maybe the local kids will come back round your garden

Kids don't come anywhere near my garden or I would unleash the hounds.

[Legend killer]

Originally Posted by Livia

LOL... you're a nightmare.


In answer to the question what happens to the foreskin once it's been chopped off... many foreskins removed in hospital are sold on to the cosmetic industry. Remember that next time you're slapping on the face cream.

PMSL this thread is epic

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Firewire

I'm almost certain the parents can keep it if they want to.

You're right, they can. It does sound weird I guess, but then some people keep that disgusting bit that drops off the baby's belly button, and some people actually eat the placenta after birth! It's packed with iron, apparently. Ewwwwwwww...

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Livia

You're right, they can. It does sound weird I guess, but then some people keep that disgusting bit that drops off the baby's belly button, and some people actually eat the placenta after birth! It's packed with iron, apparently. Ewwwwwwww...

That's disgusting! I can't believe people actually do that!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Firewire

That's disgusting! I can't believe people actually do that!

I remember I was chatting up the nurse when LT junior was being born, she recently had given birth too.

"Your placenta or mine", I asked her

needless to say Mrs LT saw this the wrong way and i was divorced shortly after.

I did bang the nurse so it all ended in a happy note.

[Legend killer]

Is there like a Foreskin fairy like there is a tooth fairy???

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Legend killer

Is there like a Foreskin fairy like there is a tooth fairy???

Patrick?