[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14513517

Historian David Starkey has told BBC's Newsnight ''the whites have become black'' in a discussion on the England riots with author and broadcaster Dreda Say Mitchell and the author of Chavs, Owen Jones.

He also hit out at what he called the ''destructive, nihilistic gangster culture'' which he said ''has become the fashion.''

Yeah, he's right ..... it ain't the colour, it's the culture .....

[Lee.]

It was almost like watching an episode of the office, I was cringing that much!

I really did find it offensive!

[Livia]

I'm not really siding with him... but... In my local market town the majority of the young people talk in that pseudo-black way that seems to have wiped out all other indiginous accents amongst young people. Most of the young people in that town have probably never had a conversation with a real black person. Know what I'm saying... innit.

[Stu]

I seriously hope Starkey knows that Ali G wasn't a real person.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Stu

I seriously hope Starkey knows that Ali G wasn't a real person.

Yes he does.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not really siding with him... but... In my local market town the majority of the young people talk in that pseudo-black way that seems to have wiped out all other indiginous accents amongst young people. Most of the young people in that town have probably never had a conversation with a real black person. Know what I'm saying... innit.

Yes thats the point he made

[Crimson Dynamo]

In London the feral white youths sound like black youths and copy their clothes and culture

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by happyland

It was almost like watching an episode of the office, I was cringing that much!

I really did find it offensive!

I find most of David Starkeys comments offensive,very few people I feel like that about but I just think he's a bigoted, prejudiced loudmouth.

Why he is invited onto TV so much is a mystery to me.Awful man.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I find most of David Starkeys comments offensive,very few people I feel like that about but I just think he's a bigoted, prejudiced loudmouth.

Why he is invited onto TV so much is a mystery to me.Awful man.

Because the BBC Producer spoke
to him about what he would say
and they knew it would be a Hit
even after the event.

[Boothy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes he does.

[Grimnir]

Youtube video

Chris Rock sums it up through comedy
and the people he talks about can be white, black, brown, yellow or pink

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

Youtube video

Chris Rock sums it up through comedy
and the people he talks about can be white, black, brown, yellow or pink

That is racist

[Omah]

Iain Duncan Smith: Crackdown on gangs should happen in all areas at the same time

People convicted but not jailed for rioting could be stripped of benefits under plans considered by Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith.

He said he would prefer it that such an approach, if adopted, was carried out by the courts and not the government.

Currently, those jailed lose benefits but other punishments, like community service, do not prompt such a loss.

The welfare secretary said he would like to see a system in which benefits were removed as part of the judicial process.

He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We already accept that if people who are receiving benefits do not, are not prepared to seek work, take the work that's available to them, we take the benefit off them. And if you go to prison we take your benefit off you.

"So what we're looking at is, for criminal charges, should we take the benefit? And the answer is yes."

Mr Duncan Smith said he believed most people would recognise that "the first lesson you learn is that, when you do something willingly and you set out to do it that is criminal, then you must bear the consequences of what you do".

Asked about the welfare secretary's comments, Mr Cameron said: "He has my full support".

That may be a step too far - prisoners have their welfare taken care of (at considerable expense) but depriving those on community service of benefits serves no purpose except to encourage further "liberation" of others' goods - they should, of course, be deprived of any "privileges" .....

[Vicky.]

Yeah, because having nothing at all wont make them turn to more crime at all will it. Except this time they will NEED to steal

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah, because having nothing at all wont make them turn to more crime at all will it. Except this time they will NEED to steal

I watched Ian Duncan Smith today on the news, I found him to be very uncompromising.

As you say the only possible outcome of such a move would have likely more crime committed.
I am beginning to think this Govt is way too extreme,there is alsways a middle way to try before suce extreme measures.
I don't agree with much Cameron is saying at present and also Theresa May, she needs to make her mind up whether she supports the police at all or doesn't. She seems all in a mess at present.A terrible Home Secretary.

Ian Duncan Smith is wrong on this, not to rule it out for the future, but not now as a knee jerk reaction.
I have no respect for the Lib Dems but I hope they stop this nonsense in its tracks and quickly too with their 57 votes in Parliament.
The Govt can get nothing passed without Lib Dem votes.this could be a way back for them to procedd with caution rather than haste.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The Govt can get nothing passed without Lib Dem votes.this could be a way back for them to procedd with caution rather than haste.

I didnt know that. My knowledge of politics is slim to none. In that case I take it the lib dems sold out about the uni fees? Since that was (or I believe it was) their main selling point for the vote?

On topic, they will probably sell out again and just bow down to what the tories want. Spineless bastards.

This is not the solution at all. It will make things 100x worse. Why the **** cant someone who actually has brains be in power?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Why the **** cant someone who actually has brains be in power?

Maybe if more people took more of an interest in politics instead of moaning about the government, things would be different. Politics affects every part of everyone's life and yet so many people say "politics doesn't interest me". Most people couldn't even name their MP let alone their local councillor, and yet they work for you.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Maybe if more people took more of an interest in politics instead of moaning about the government, things would be different. Politics affects every part of everyone's life and yet so many people say "politics doesn't interest me". Most people couldn't even name their MP let alone their local councillor, and yet they work for you.

is true. What you local council is doing will affect you much more than big govt. Your local planning office will have a lot more impact in your life in 2011 than any inner city looting.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Maybe if more people took more of an interest in politics instead of moaning about the government, things would be different. Politics affects every part of everyone's life and yet so many people say "politics doesn't interest me". Most people couldn't even name their MP let alone their local councillor, and yet they work for you.

I do not need to have knowledge of politics to know that this is a really stupid idea that will do more harm than good. I would think that was just common sense. Apparently not.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14527540

Mr Cameron called for 'urgent action' on troubled families

Prime Minister David Cameron has said he will put "rocket boosters" under work to turn round 120,000 troubled families in the wake of recent rioting.

He said the government should be less sensitive to claims that intervening was "interfering or nannying".

Mr Cameron said bureaucracy was slowing support for families facing multiple problems.

Labour leader David Miliband said parenting was a big issue, but warned against kneejerk reactions.

Mr Cameron has previously championed a drive to "turn around troubled families".

He has sought to boost the use of the family intervention project model.

This seeks to help families who face a combination of problems such as drug and alcohol abuse, illness, mental illness, unemployment, poverty and anti-social behaviour and truancy.

'Problem'

Support can involve allocating a single social worker to gain an overview of the problems facing the family, including having to deal with up to 20 different government agencies and support services.

"We've got to get out there and make a positive difference to the way families work, the way people bring up their children," said Mr Cameron, speaking at a youth centre in Oxfordshire.

"We need more urgent action... on the families that some people call 'problem', others call 'troubled'," he said.

In December, he appointed entrepreneur Emma Harrison as a "family champion", to lead a drive to get workless families back into employment, also using a similar model.

At the time, she said there were thought to be 125,000 that have never worked, and these are the "troubled families" that a lot of social problems "stem from".

However, Mr Cameron said bureaucracy had "held back" this work, and promised to "clear away the red tape".

Most support for families with multiple problems is now run by local authorities, funded by the Early Intervention Grant, which was essentially cut by 11% in 2012.

So where's the money going to come from for this "Big Idea" ......

The whole statement seems reminiscent of Cameron's "vision" of the now-discredited and abandoned "Big Society" .....

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I do not need to have knowledge of politics to know that this is a really stupid idea that will do more harm than good. I would think that was just common sense. Apparently not.

I'm not saying that you need to have knowledge of politics. If you had sent one tenth of the words you've written on here to your MP, who represents you in parliament, maybe he or she would have a better and more balanced view of with public opinion. At the moment, the ones who's views are being heard are the ones who support the very idea that you're saying is stupid.

MPs are not a different species. They work for you, whether or not you voted for them. The only way they will know how their constituents are thinking is if you let them know.

[Livia]

Ohhhhh please stop changing the thread title. It's SO annoying.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14527540

Mr Cameron called for 'urgent action' on troubled families



So where's the money going to come from for this "Big Idea" ......

The whole statement seems reminiscent of Cameron's "vision" of the now-discredited and abandoned "Big Society" .....

It's going to come from increasing your council tax.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Omah

Iain Duncan Smith: Crackdown on gangs should happen in all areas at the same time



That may be a step too far - prisoners have their welfare taken care of (at considerable expense) but depriving those on community service of benefits serves no purpose except to encourage further "liberation" of others' goods - they should, of course, be deprived of any "privileges" .....

No take there benefits away,that will teach them what poor is.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Enoch Powell was in some ways correct and obviously wrong in others but what he said at the time was quite prophetic..