[Zippy]

Jesus christ

you're babbling about Ameriac this and America that and then you ask why Im talking about America? I didnt bring America into this. Go look back.

And Hispanic is a bloody race. Your white/eurpopean tag is absolute BS. No hispanic would refer to themselves as that!

and the first black UK elected MP was in 1987.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Jesus christ

you're babbling about Ameriac this and America that and then you ask why Im talking about America? I didnt bring America into this. Go look back.

And Hispanic is a bloody race. Your white/eurpopean tag is absolute BS. No hispanic would refer to themselves as that!

and the first UK elected MP was in 1987.

Hispanic is not a race. DO you consider Spanish and italian and greek and MEDITERRANEAN to be a race? NO, they are white. They are european. Hispanics are no more a race than USAmerican is a race.

There are black latinos, white latinos and asian latinos. None of which are native to South America.



And i didn't bring America into this. You're the one that needs to go back and read the thread.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Hispanic is not a race. DO you consider Spanish and italian and greek and MEDITERRANEAN to be a race? NO, they are white. They are european.

And i didn't bring america into this. You're the one that needs to go back and read the thread.

I never said you did. You have an annoying habit of making irrelevant points. Pay attention.

Hispanics are a huge and very powerful racial group in America and you damn well know it. Quit being pedantic it aint pretty. You know who Im referring to.

[lostalex]

It's impossible to comare elected officials in the US and UK anyway, because the UK doesn't actually have a democratic system./ IN the UK political parties can just appoint MP'
s and there is no democratic vote like primaries nhere in the US.

Even if there is a Black PM some day, it won't mean anything, because the political party decides who is their leader, not the people of the UK. The British people never elected Gordon Brown but he was PM.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zippy

I never said you did. You have an annoying habit of making irrelevant points. Pay attention.

Hispanics are a huge and very powerful racial group in America and you damn well know it. Quit being pedantic it aint pretty. You know who Im referring to.

It's not any kind of racial group because HIspanic is NOT a race... you obviously arn't paying attention, so why am i wasting my time?

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

It's not any kind of racial group because HIspanic is NOT a race... you obviously arn't paying attention, so why am i wasting my time?

and were you not the clever little that spoke of the American race?

yeah, because Americans are not diverse at all. Try being consistent for once.

There are a a huge percentage of Americans who refer to themselves as Hispanic. Or black. Or Asian. In the context of my original point, that is all that matters; point being that they are different groups that do not get along in harmony.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zippy

and were you not the clever little bitch that spoke of the American race?

Wow, resorting to name calling, you must be very intelligent.

Arn't there rules on this forum against that? I've gotten infractions for far less.

Anyways, if you want to learn what LATINO means, read a book about the Roman Empire. I'm not going to waste my time trying to educate you about the Latin countries and their colonialism into South America. The fact that they all speak spanish and are catholic should give you some clue, but you probably havnt made the connection yet.

[Kerry]

Right, I'm not reading the entire thread but have seen enough. Argue your points but do NOT resort to insults, abuse or taunting

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Right, I'm not reading the entire thread but have seen enough. Argue your points but do NOT resort to insults, abuse or taunting

I edited myself.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I edited myself.

Thankyou

[Livia]

I have been racially abused on this forum many times, but only by two individuals, interestingly, neither of them British.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

I have been racially abused on this forum many times, but only by two individuals, interestingly, neither of them British.

Which race are you?

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Jesus christ

you're babbling about Ameriac this and America that and then you ask why Im talking about America? I didnt bring America into this. Go look back.

And Hispanic is a bloody race. Your white/eurpopean tag is absolute BS. No hispanic would refer to themselves as that!

and the first black UK elected MP was in 1987.

Dude you are sounding so ignorant. Hispanic is definitely NOT A RACE. You can be white, Asian, black, native american or mixed and be Hispanic. Hispanic basically means that you are from a Spanish speaking country thats NOT SPAIN.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Jesus christ

you're babbling about Ameriac this and America that and then you ask why Im talking about America? I didnt bring America into this. Go look back.

And Hispanic is a bloody race. Your white/eurpopean tag is absolute BS. No hispanic would refer to themselves as that!

and the first black UK elected MP was in 1987.

No you are wrong. Most Hispanics are of European descent. Mostly Portuguese and Spanish.

Example Puerto Rico and Mexico. Most Mexicans are White, Native American or mixed with both. Puerto Ricans are usually White, White/Native American, Black, White/black/native american, or White/black.

Dominican Republic. Majority of Dominicans are of African descent.

You can be any race and be a Hispanic.

[Zippy]

somebodies been googling and wiki-ing away..

technicalities aside, my main point stands. Some can't see the wood for the trees.

[SoBig]

Googling and wikiing?

Hispanic not being a race is common knowledge. It's like knowing that Canadian and American aren't races, but nationalities. Only ignorant people think that they are races.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Only ignorant people think that they are races.

who the hell cares?

if you think branding hispanics a race is any big deal you wanna get out more. I only used it to signify a certain group so whether they are a race or not is not that relevant to my point.

and yes you clearly have been googling for info. But pretend you posted all that off the top of your head if it suits.

[Cromwell1900]

Risky topic OP, good on you for having the Balls to open it up, iv not had chance to read all the replies but on many Forums you'd have the PC dunce's on your back.

Originally Posted by lostalex

Are black people as a group doing well anywhere? People say it because of racism, but even in countries where they are the majority, they don't seem to do well. Africa is by far the poorest continent in the world. East asians seem to do great in majority white countries, so you can't blame racism for lack of social mobility. Jews have been horribly oppressed, but they seem to do just fine. I think there is more to it than just racism.

It's an interesting question, and unfortunately i think because of political correctness one that will not be answered anytime soon.

I Don't think it's Political Correctness preventing a discussion on Africans being naturally under achievers which appears to be the suggestion coming from you. Rather investigate what the Belgiuns did to the Hutu's & Tutsis
Maybe you will see one Example of why Africa's poverty is not down to it's people. I do agree though Black Youth aren't doing as well as Asians or Jew's in the UK and that Racism is'nt the reason

It is telling to compare the way Jews, Asians have fared in the UK vs Jamaican's, African's and I'm not sure why some people think Black people have not integrated. Turn on your Tv and if it's not a White face you see it's a Black face. Go to a Social gathering i.e a Club and you'll see many Black faces, at Work there is a proportional number of Black people working there. There is a Jewish community near where i live and they seem incredibly happy with there lives, they don't fight with each other, or steal from their neighbour, take drugs, or take part in riots because they want the latest pair of Nike. Yet to any measure i think is relevant they have not integrated into the English way of life. Traveling through their Town feels like going to a different Country. The Shops have different names, There clothes are different, Hairstyles, Food. Maybe they are successful because they have NOT Integrated, likewise with Asians who give jobs to each other via word of mouth rather than adverts at the Job Centre.

Black Urban Youth is White Urban Youth the excuses are different that's all
If your Black it's Racism if your White it's no Jobs Urban Youth seem to be growing up without rational thoughts and a fear of consequence. The question is how to fix Urban Youth.


On a side note The Riots we're not a Gang thing. I was fascinated to hear after the riots, Politicians talking about "Parts of our society is broken". I thought what a massive statement. Truly we are at one of those watershed moments in history which inspires momentus change, that at last Politicians were going to open up the festering can of worms that is the inability of large numbers of our youth to simply think rational thoughts. I should of known better and when i heard them talking about Gang Culture i did. Politicians are expert at conceptualizing, repackaging, and selling us a false reality. So there going to try and cure cancer with an Asprin and in 10 years we'll do it all again, rinse repeat ad infinitum.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Zippy

and yes you clearly have been googling for info. But pretend you posted all that off the top of your head if it suits.

Got to love the ignorant.

I guess its because you've always been stuck in the UK for your entire life and don't know what the world outside the UK is like. You probably have never even met a Hispanic person in your life. I've actually lived in the USA and been to PR several times in the last ten years.

Maybe you should be googling for info, because you are clearly misinformed.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Got to love the ignorant.

I guess its because you've always been stuck in the UK for your entire life and don't know what the world outside the UK is like. You probably have never even met a Hispanic person in your life. I've actually lived in the USA and been to PR several times in the last ten years.

Maybe you should be googling for info, because you are clearly misinformed.

what the hell has meeting hispanic people got to do with the definition of what one is? This "Ive met hispanics/americans therefore Im now an expert on them" is such a laughable argument. A bit like claiming you know black people because youve met a few. Im sure you'd love that suggestion, right?

And Hispanics make up over 17% of the US population. They happily refer to themselves as hispanic. Not Asian, not Black. So back to my original reference my point stands that they do not all mix.

but keep getting hung up on semantics if you think you're winning points. And yes you did look up that info about hispanics...its obvious from your wording that its lifted from elsewhere.

[Grimnir]

depends on what type of family they come from and their intelligence

if they are thick AND come from a **** family, they are gonna be a ****

if they are intelligent and come from decent family, there is very good chance they will become decent respectable member of society

[keithafc]

Originally Posted by AfroMullet

If your not black then you cannot comment on the struggle of a black man or black youth. Its that simple. Can cant even begin to understand someones stuggle unless you have been through it, and its something you never have or ever will go through. Im not saying you dont have stuggles as a white man, asian man, whatever, but the struggles are different. I dont know or understand your stuggle, you dont understand mine.

Everyone in the UK now has the choice to get a job and to work and do what they want. Freedom of choice, colour or religion. It makes no difference. I think a lot of people of all colours are suffering now but i think it is fair if some people on here think black people have a bigger problem with it than say white people.