[Zippy]

Now this is what needs to happen. Strong messages sent out that this behaviour will not be tolerated. They look like such chavvy scum too. Don't drop the soap now.

the one on the right has got nice big ears for his big bubba cellmate to hold on to.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/two-jailed-...182231949.html



Two men have been jailed for inciting disorder via social networking sites, police said.

The pair, who appeared at Chester Crown Court, were arrested last week following incidents of violent disorder in London and other English cities.

Jordan Blackshaw, 20, of Vale Road, Marston, Northwich, Cheshire and Perry Sutcliffe-Keenan, 22, of Richmond Avenue, Warrington, were both sentenced to four years behind bars, Cheshire Police said.

The court heard that Cheshire Police discovered a Facebook event, entitled "Smash Down Northwich Town", created by Blackshaw.

Sutcliffe-Keenan also set up a Facebook page, encouraging disorder in his suburb of Warrington called "Let's Have a Riot in Latchford".

Assistant Chief Constable of Cheshire Police, Phil Thompson, said: "If we cast our minds back just a few days to last week and recall the way in which technology was used to spread incitement and bring people together to commit acts of criminality it is easy to understand the four-year sentences that were handed down in court today.

"In Cheshire, we quickly recognised the impact of the situation on our communities and the way in which social media was being used to promote and incite behaviour that would strike fear into the hearts of our communities.

"From the outset Cheshire Constabulary adopted a robust policing approach using the information coming into the organisation to move quickly and effectively against any person whose behaviour was likely to encourage criminality. Officers took swift action against those people who have been using Facebook and other social media sites to incite disorder.

"The sentences passed down today recognise how technology can be abused to incite criminal activity and sends a strong message to potential troublemakers about the extent to which ordinary people value safety and order in their lives and their communities. Anyone who seeks to undermine that will face the full force of the law."

Both men pleaded guilty to intentionally encouraging another to assist the commission of an indictable offence under sections 44 and 46 of the Serious Crime Act 2007, the CPS said.

[Chuck]

will they actually be in jail for 4 years though?

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by chuck.pass

will they actually be in jail for 4 years though?

probably half. But more importantly it sends out a strong message to idiots who run their stupid mouths off on social network sites thinking theyre immune to any consequences. Wrong bitches!

It needs to be done or it could get out of hand.

[Shaun]

It's absurd. Obviously they're being made examples of to send some kind of message to other rioters, but what exactly is that message? "Don't ever criticise the government's decisions and state of affairs again otherwise we'll jail you"? I mean even ignoring the entirely facetious nature of this supposed 'crime' (by which I think telling someone to do something is not directly correlatory with the crime itself, especially if it's done online: everyone who participated will have done so of their own accord, not because of these two supposed criminal masterminds), this is just going to play into rioters' hands even more because all of a sudden we've got a ridiculous, out-of-touch and unfair judiciary system to match that lovely old police force.

Well done society.

[arista]

Yes this is a Warning
to any other Punks

[Zippy]

It's not absurd. And who could feel sorry for such idiots?

One thing learned loud and clear was just how quickly you can gather a mob together in a certain area and cause devastation. This absolutely needs to be slammed down hard before it becomes an acceptable form of flash mob attacks.

They may have got a shytty deal compared to many who actually rioted but, hey, thats just tough. Just like it was tough luck for those caught in the path of destruction.

And out of touch? Says who? I think you'll find the vast majority are all behind tough sentences. Very much so.

[Marc]

Hallelujah!

[Marc]

Wait I thought these were the guys who started the Tottenham riots my bad

I agree with Shaun, this is clearly a way of just sending out a strong message and the sentence is probably unjust. But it's also a kind of good thing for the same reason, it sends out that message and will probably stop further online get togethers.

[lostalex]

Send them to a Siberian work camp plzz.

[Livia]

As soon as I heard this I knew that there would be people saying it's too harsh, and sure enough, equal time on the news is given to those boo-hooing about the nasty judge sending the innocent, misguided freedom fighters to the Stripy Hole. Being too lenient is what put us in the position where these wanton acts of theft, arson, violence and vandalism happened. Incitement to Riot has always been a serious charge carrying a long sentence. So they thought it was a good idea to organise a bunch of hoodlums on Facebook. Now they - and everyone else - knows that it's not such a good idea after all.

[Marc]

Definitely a dumb idea. I just don't know if 4 years is too severe or not. I mean you'd get a shorter sentence in most cases for intending to do something rather than actually carrying it out eg. Death, robbery. Maybe something a little shorter would have been seem as mire realistic but still strike fear into those thinking of starting a riot in the future. I think these guys are stupid and clearly not worth appreciating in society but now they're going to sit in jail and have money spent on them and clogg up the jails.

[LeatherTrumpet]

What they should have got was thrashed with a birch stick until the skin was flayed from their backs.

I am thinking:


1. they would not do it again

2. people would also think twice about doing it

3. It would be hundreds of thousands of Ł cheaper for the tax payer

[Legend killer]

I Hope Cher Lloyd gets the same treatment too my sources tell me she was the main one looting from Mcd's in Tottenham

[joeysteele]

I agree with the sentencing,I know for sure it will be reduced on appeal and the cost of these appeals are firmly likely being paid for by the taxpayer.

The thing I like about this is that unusually for the Courts in this instance it has presumed in addition to the original charge, what could have happened as a consequence of their actions on facebook etc.

How I wish the Courts would do that in Child cruelty and abduction cases too,rather than only deal with the charge in hand.
This could be a good time for the PM and his Govt to look at courts taking into account not only the charge before them but to also take into account the far reaching probabilities of all cases.
As in attempted abduction,a much smaller charge than than actual abduction and whatever may have followed but taking into account what may have happened had the abduction been successful opens a whole new list of likely crimes against the person/people.

4 years though, they could be out in 16 months even if the appeal is unsuccessful.

[Scarlett.]

Some looters have got two years, yet two idiots...let's face it, thats what these guys are, have got two more years than those who actually went out smashing and grabbing

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Some looters have got two years, yet two idiots...let's face it, thats what these guys are, have got two more years than those who actually went out smashing and grabbing

Because these two were trying to create hundreds of other criminals. Would you rather arrest these 2 for 4 years, or arrest a hundred people they inspired for 6 months each?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Because these two were trying to create hundreds of other criminals. Would you rather arrest these 2 for 4 years, or arrest a hundred people they inspired for 6 months each?

I'd much rather the looters get 4 years too, is my point, though, I do think 4 years for just creating a dumb Facebook group is a little...:/

[InOne]

They give people tough, and then people say it's too tough

No wonder politicians can't win.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I'd much rather the looters get 4 years too, is my point, though, I do think 4 years for just creating a dumb Facebook group is a little...:/

Its a message to the facebook generation that what you say online can get you in big t-rubble

message received

[Grimnir]

they should be culled along with all the other rioters

if not then i hope they all keep rioting and tear britain up

[Vicky.]

Can only hope the people who actually did the crimes get these kind of sentences too. Doubt it though somehow. Theres no point 'making an example' of someone and then not following it up with the rest.

[Tom4784]

I agree with Shaun, the nature of their crime is very grey and the punishment is completely OTT considering the actual rioters have been sentenced to less time. Sentences like that for crimes this is asking for trouble, It's a slippery slope.

Before any tiresome right wing nutjobs go all 'CRIMINAL SYMPATHISER SOFT SCUM GASFASDJGRFSDHGFAG<JHGDFSDFGDF' I don't, but consider what they did and the ramifications that could occur from this before you respond in an overly emotional manner.

[Scarlett.]

6 months would have taught them a lesson, 4 years will turn them against their jailors

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Chewy

6 months would have taught them a lesson

Aye
4 years is a bit too much just for making a facebook page..

[Lee.]

I think they're right to come down hard on the individuals who were attempting to plan a riot.. Let's face it, a large number of those looters were probably brainless little chavs who somehow got swept along on the excitement of it all with their stupid little gangs; I doubt even a few if them would have ever thought about starting a riot before.. The people who actually plan and encourage any form of rioting, imo deserve harsh sentences along with the rioters.