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lostalex · 09-01-2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Give them their referendum... and then regardless of the outcome, give the English a referendum and ask them the same question.

What would the English referendum be? whether to cut off from the rest of the UK? or just to cut off from Scotland?

It should be a referendum of whether or not to cut off from the Entire Uk, including Wales and NI too, not just Scotland.

arista · 09-01-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

What would the English referendum be? whether to cut off from the rest of the UK? or just to cut off from Scotland?

It should be a referendum of whether or not to cut off from the Entire Uk, including Wales and NI too, not just Scotland.

No as its only Scotland that has Full Political Power
He Kicked out the former New Labour Criminals
to get Full Power up there.

joeysteele · 09-01-2012, 12:50 PM

Scotland is of great benefit to the rest of the UK just as the rest of the UK is to Scotland as well, it is accepted that nomore than just under a third of Scots would actually vote for full independence at this time.

David Cameron should press ahead with a UK referendum along with the main one in Scotland too.
The wordings of the referendum could be easy to format, a simple yes or no to independence to Scottish citizens and on the other referendum in Wales,N.Ireland and England a simple yes or no to granting independence to Scotland 'if' the Scots voted for independence.

As with the AV vote referendum, the Govt does not need to hang about on this isuue and could get it killed stone dead by doing the referendum itself,not waiting for the SNP to.
As I said above, it could gain David Cameron great credibility as to being the leader who dealt with the independence issue and also maybe held the UK together, if he dithers like Gordon Brown did on so many issues then David Cameron cpild be the leader who sees the UK split under or just after his leadership of the UK,I don't believe he wants that so he should act now and stop talking about it, he wants an early referendum, then go and do it, himself.

arista · 09-01-2012, 01:12 PM

No Joey
Whatever David offers
will not be agreed by Alex.

He is sticking to the 2014 Vote

lostalex · 09-01-2012, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

No Joey
Whatever David offers
will not be agreed by Alex.

He is sticking to the 2014 Vote

plz start calling him Mr. Salmond. thank you.

arista · 09-01-2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

plz start calling him Mr. Salmond. thank you.

No.

MTVN · 09-01-2012, 02:07 PM

Rebuild the wall

arista · 09-01-2012, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Rebuild the wall

No Need.

It will be Great to set Scotland Free
on their own feet.

LeatherTrumpet · 09-01-2012, 02:27 PM

As I have said before. We have out own numpties who can run our country, we dont need any English ones. It will be good for England and Scotland and it will happen.

joeysteele · 10-01-2012, 08:57 AM

I don't see the Scots voting for full independence, it may get a lot closer but I still see a yes or no to independence being won by the no argument by at least 55% to 45%.
David Cameron is PM and leads the Govt of the United Kingdom, he does not need to agree with Alex Salmond on any matter of constitutional reform.

The SNP plan to hold an independence referendum but have no date set, the 'overall' UK govt, could easily decide in the interests of uncertainty and future planning that it is necessary to hold such a referendum now,of course David Cameron and the UK govt can talk to and consult Alex Salmond as to the referendum but in the end if the UK govt felt the 'need' in the interests of the Nation as a whole to hold the referendum now then all it has to do is bring such a measure to Parliament to hold such referendum at the earliest date.

It will not bode well for Alex Salmond if he is offered 'earlier' the referendum he so desires, if he huffs and puffs at the questions included he would be the one seen as causing problems for the Scottish voters on this issue.

By coming into the argument,David Cameron has opened new doors, he is the leader of the UK, he 'needs' to be seen to and 'has' to do what is good for the UK not for the SNP party only.
David Cameron has an opportunity to really rise on this issue, if he backs down and lets the SNP do it all their way,he will possibly pay a heavy price and be seen as dithering again, all talk and no action.

Like the AV referendum it is a likely beaten issue anyway and I hope the Scots vote no whenever it is held, I have family and friends who live in Scotland and they will certainly vote no.

It's time to get the issue settled and hold the referendum as early as it can be.If the SNP will not do that then David Cameron,his govt and the Parliament of the 'whole' UK have every right without further consultation to the SNP to legislate and hold a much earlier referendum themselves.
I hope he,(David Cameron), doesn't miss this chance to really lead but also to shine on this issue too.

arista · 10-01-2012, 10:24 AM

"I don't see the Scots voting for full independence, "

Yes but it's in 2014-16
so by then they may want it
Times being so hard in the UK.

And Labour Does not want this
as it would make them become unelected forever.

What a Great Day that will be.

Z · 12-01-2012, 05:35 PM

There's no point... other than being able to say "I'm Scottish, not British" (which people do anyway) there is no merit to becoming an independent country. It'd complicate travel. There'd be a huge financial mess in the overhaul involved in becoming a new country, and I had to renew my passport in April for another ten years and I cannot be arsed with getting a Scottish one before 2022 if I want to go anywhere. Haha.

arista · 12-01-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Zee

There's no point... other than being able to say "I'm Scottish, not British" (which people do anyway) there is no merit to becoming an independent country. It'd complicate travel. There'd be a huge financial mess in the overhaul involved in becoming a new country, and I had to renew my passport in April for another ten years and I cannot be arsed with getting a Scottish one before 2022 if I want to go anywhere. Haha.

Look Young Zeee

Its not your Problem
Have a German Sausage

No Passports do not have to be changed
that saves money.

Alex has until 2014-16
to win his Vote.

Scotland Needs This.

Z · 12-01-2012, 05:51 PM

LOL. I was born and raised in Scotland and will be back there permanently in June, it's definitely my problem. The passport thing was an example. There are plenty of things that would have to be changed, at the cost of the taxpayer, as part of a changeover to a new, separate country. Scotland doesn't need this, Scotland is in just as much of a financial crisis as the rest of the world and it makes no sense to be planning for something so expensive at this time. There's no need for it. We depend on the UK more than the UK depends on us. We'd be struggling financially and wouldn't necessarily have instant access to the EU. Everything about it is just so pointless. I'm fine with having a national identity within a country.

Shasown · 12-01-2012, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Look Young Zeee

Its not your Problem
Have a German Sausage

No Passports do not have to be changed
that saves money.

Alex has until 2014-16
to win his Vote.

Scotland Needs This.

Passports would have to be changed if the then government of what was left of the UK threw their toys out of their cots and invalidated the passports of Scottish citizens.

Its all right Scotland voting for full independence, thinking that Europe and the UK in particular were still going to bankroll them, it isnt guaranteed to happen. Spain for one could and probably would veto Scotland's rights of entry in the EU.

The UK could insist on border controls, closure of UK defence assets. Import taxes on anything coming over the border even your favourite shortbread etc.

While there is a lot of anti English sentiment in some areas of the porridge ****, Scotland deciding to bin the UK could also generate a lot of anti jock sentiment in the UK.

The government might decide to keep control of the two major Scottish banks we currently as a united nation are supporting, or they might ask for the loans to be repaid immediately, that would pretty much bankrupt the country.

arista · 12-01-2012, 06:45 PM

Its to Early to worry about Passports.

Alex wants to be Mates with British
We will Trade with Scotland

No need to be so Negative

arista · 12-01-2012, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Zee

LOL. I was born and raised in Scotland and will be back there permanently in June, it's definitely my problem. The passport thing was an example. There are plenty of things that would have to be changed, at the cost of the taxpayer, as part of a changeover to a new, separate country. Scotland doesn't need this, Scotland is in just as much of a financial crisis as the rest of the world and it makes no sense to be planning for something so expensive at this time. There's no need for it. We depend on the UK more than the UK depends on us. We'd be struggling financially and wouldn't necessarily have instant access to the EU. Everything about it is just so pointless. I'm fine with having a national identity within a country.

Yes I know Zee you a Good Spunky Scott.

It will all be Better
with Scotland on its own feet.
Its the only way.

And It Kills Labour
as they need Scotland more

Labour Dead - Utter Bliss

Shaun · 12-01-2012, 06:54 PM

As far as I see it it'd leave both countries worse off economically, and it seems to be fuelled by little more than petty nationalism and sore wounds from 400 years ago.

MTVN · 12-01-2012, 06:54 PM

Labour stand to lose more than the Conservatives do, politically at least, Cameron has far more chance of securing a majority government if Scotland leaves given their hostility towards his party and their lack of presence up north

spitfire · 12-01-2012, 07:25 PM

And what will the currency be?

Shasown · 12-01-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by spitfire

And what will the currency be?

The "Jimmy"?

The "Fud"?

The "Bawbag"?

spitfire · 12-01-2012, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

The "Jimmy"?

The "Fud"?

The "Bawbag"?

arista · 12-01-2012, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun

As far as I see it it'd leave both countries worse off economically, and it seems to be fuelled by little more than petty nationalism and sore wounds from 400 years ago.

No its not
its Time For Scotland to Stand up.

Not Petty its about Money
and Future.

You can still vist Zee
in the Republic Of Scotland.
it wil be Romantic