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Old 15-06-2006, 08:51 PM #1
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Default grace...racist?

Its reported that grace had said the following:
grace: Aisleyen is a 'wigger', a 'wigger' is a 'white n****r', all she is, is a black ghetto hochie'
mikey: You cant say that

http://www.sky.com/showbiz/article/0...223819,00.html
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Thats not racist, its just saying that a white person is acting like a black person, it can be perceived as racist, bit I dont think it is.
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but she is saying that white people should act in a certain way.....and the same with blck people
it doesnt make sense that black and white people should act differently as we are both the same
aisleyne is acting herself
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I can see how it is seen as racist but I dont think Grace meant as being racist
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but she is saying that white people should act in a certain way.....and the same with blck people
it doesnt make sense that black and white people should act differently as we are both the same
aisleyne is acting herself
Thats exactly why I said it could be perceived as racist, but its not exactly direct racism.
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wasn't there a massive discussion about this a while ago..
its not racist, get over it.
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It sonuds racist and anti Grace people will think this is racist but tis not really and thats coming from a non Grace fan
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but using the term 'white n****r' IS........
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It's ok, racism doesn't work both ways anyway.* Black people can call each other n***er with relative impunity, so presumably it's ok for white people to call each other wigger.

I mean, it's only fair isn't it?

*Which is why I believe it will always exist.
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It's ok, racism doesn't work both ways anyway.* Black people can call each other n***er with relative impunity, so presumably it's ok for white people to call each other wigger.

I mean, it's only fair isn't it?

*Which is why I believe it will always exist.
fair point.......
which is why i put a wuestion mark after the question "grace racist..?" i see you point of view
but my personal opinon is that she isnt a racist person but i fill that that comment was racist
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Wigger isnt a racist term
Thats fact
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I think it is possible for her to be racist, ageist and pretty much anythingist lol. With it being reported that her father was racist to police also doesn't help.
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Every year, without fail, we go through these racism claims.
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Whether the person is black or white, or any other race Grace must think black ghetto hochie are the worst. Im not sure but I think Aisleyne might be cultured.
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Of course it's racist. A ****** is a derogatory term for a black man, and she is speaking about Aisleyen in a derogatory fashion - using a modification of the term '******' to make her point.

If someone called a black man a ****** they would be called racist, so how can using or modifying the term to use against someone else in a derogatory fashion not be racist?
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Of course it's racist. A ni**er is a derogatory term for a black man, and she is speaking about Aisleyen in a derogatory fashion - using a modification of the term '******' to make her point.

If someone called a black man a ni**er they would be called racist, so how can using or modifying the term to use against someone else in a derogatory fashion not be racist?
So why is it ok for 2 black ppl to call each other ni**er but when a white person does its racism???
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just because 2 black people call each other the N word doesnt mean all black people think its ok.
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im not saying all black ppl think its ok but i tend to find the black ppl that call each other ni**ers are the ones that scream racial discrimination when they get called it by a white person
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yes, calling people a w**** n***** is racist, and calling them a w***** is also racist. These terms are racist despite what other people try and fool you into believing. It does not however mean that Grace is racist, as such, she may only be 99% racist.
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"i tend to [find] the [black people] that [call each other ni**ers]"

Isn’t that racial biased. You can’t select people within a race to create a blanket conclusion. I learned that from Social Studies class.

Grace: Aisleyen is a 'wigger', a 'wigger' is a 'white n****r', all she is, is a black ghetto hochie'

What is Grace really saying? So Aisleyen isn’t only a ghetto hochie but a black ghetto hochie. Was Grace just really angry and that’s how she made herself feel better?

Most people who are racist don’t know they are, and when they're told they're racist its really difficult for them to accept it and change.
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Originally posted by georgie121uk
Its reported that grace had said the following:
grace: Aisleyen is a 'wigger', a 'wigger' is a 'white n****r', all she is, is a black ghetto hochie'
mikey: You cant say that

http://www.sky.com/showbiz/article/0...223819,00.html
That's close, but it's not the correct quote. The exact quote was "We're ****ing normal, and they've put in a ****ing he/she and a wigger. That's what we've got to share a ****ing house with."

It was when Sam and Ash first came in.

She never said the "N" word, but in my mind she still was way out of line.

I've gotten to like having Grace in the house more lately, but when she gets evicted, I really hope they play that quote back at her, because she needs to see what it looks like when she talks like that.
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I saw a program about the N word and a young black rapper was looking into the origins of the word and why it was okay for black people to use it.
He met a historian who specialised in the slave trade and she explained the origins of the word and after the young rapper said he would no longer use it and would explain to others why he thought they should stop using it as it is derogatory and demeaning.

People shouldn't use words they don't understand and know the meaning of.

Generally people will run for the hills when someone accuses them of racism, they are so afraid of it they try so hard not to appear racist but they actually are.
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Of course it's bloody racist, Edwin. She's using black people as something that's bad.

If I called you a wigger you would assume that I thought being black was a bad thing.

I'm really sick to death of all the Grace fans excusing her bad actions.

AND I GET WARNINGS?
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Well I'm a Gracist

But wigger isnt' racist, it just describes a white person who acts like a black person.

Far too much ridiculous Politcal Correctness in here for christ's sake
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Hi Smeggypants,

Not everyone who's name is Grace is as horrable as that Grace on TV. Please if you meet someone who's name is Grace, please give them a chance before hating them.

If wigger isnt' racist, do you think white people should only act white, (listen to white music, eat only white people food, ect)? Should black people only act as a N word?

For christ's sake I think racism is ridiculous.
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