[Crimson Dynamo]

new film tonight so what do you think about her?

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

new film tonight so what do you think about her?

Spends to long on her after she was in office.



Missing the IRA Bomb that hit the hotel.
(why not - is it going to upset Pro IRA Yanks?)

So its not Good Enough

[Shaun]

fierce bitch <3

[Ammi]

Married to Iron Man

[arista]

Originally Posted by Shaun

fierce bitch <3

Yes and the Evil IRA Attack is part of her History.


This Yank Film goes wrong by missing that

[Lee.]

I think she's an evil cow

[arista]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I think she's an evil cow

Of Course you would.



I think Blair is Evil
for Illegal Invading of Iraq with his Evil Partner in Crime Bush

[Kate!]

She's a bitch.

Thatcher the milk snatcher.(she abolished milk in schools for infants.)

[arista]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

She's a bitch.

Thatcher the milk snatcher.(she abolished milk in schools for infants.)

She did the Ground Work
for Evil Blair

[fruit_cake]

Don't particularly like her

[Tom4784]

She had her good points and her bad points. I don't particurlarly hate her but I wouldn't class her as the best PM we ever had.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by arista

Of Course you would.



I think Blair is Evil
for Illegal Invading of Iraq with his Evil Partner in Crime Bush

Of course I would? What's that meant to mean?

I don't know what age you are but I really don't understand anybody who was alive during the 80s being able to put up a case for her..

She caused the unemployment of millions of people through cuts and closures.. she shut factories, steelworks, mines and shipbuilders. She cut NHS and school funding as well as abolishing free milk for kids. She introduced the Poll Tax, using Scotland as guinea pigs for it... Tony Blair does not have a look in when it comes to evil.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Of course I would? What's that meant to mean?

I don't know what age you are but I really don't understand anybody who was alive during the 80s being able to put up a case for her..

She caused the unemployment of millions of people through cuts and closures.. she shut factories, steelworks, mines and shipbuilders. She cut NHS and school funding as well as abolishing free milk for kids. She introduced the Poll Tax, using Scotland as guinea pigs for it... Tony Blair does not have a look in when it comes to evil.

Murdering Public In Iraq made Blair Fecking Evil.

[fruit_cake]

wasn't it Thatcher that gave Pinochet asylum?

[Shasown]

After Boudicca, the best female leader this country has ever had.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

After Boudicca, the best female leader this country has ever had.

Lol.. my grandma threw her own brother out her house for saying exactly that!

[Livia]

Margaret Thatcher was Secretary of State for Education when she abolished school milk. Edward Heath was Prime Minister, years before she took over as Leader of the Conservative Party. It was soon after they took over from Labour and as Labour had spent all the money the Conservatives had to impose cuts. Sound familiar?

People protested against the Poll Tax and it was abolished. Hundreds of thousands of people took the to streets in protest over war in Iraq, but Tony Blair ignored them.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Lol.. my grandma threw her own brother out her house for saying exactly that!

Thats ok I am not your great Uncle.

Cant help the way others view her, but I do know she might not have been liked but she stopped this country going bankrupt because of greedy union bosses and nationalised industries expecting a free run and taxpayers money to prop them up against more competitive overseas industries who could deliver on time.

Before villifying her, people should look at the situation she was (well the country was in) in whenever she made what were unpopular decisions. They should also look at her achievements, clawing back the EEC rebate for this country, reducing the power of the unions, slimming down unviable industry.

Incidentally if all the decisions she undertook were so bad, how many did phoney Tony reverse when he came to power?

[Bollo]

I think she was a stronger, more independently decisive leader than we have had in more recent years. She wasn't always right in her decisions but I don't think she was a bad leader.

[joeysteele]

I wasn't around in her time as Prime Minister, what I have read and seen on documentaries and news as to her time in office,I haven't approved of really.
She would not have been a Politician I could have likely supported.

I did admire her European stance and also agree with her new controls as to the Unions but she comes across as being too hard and extreme. I don't think ,(well into the future),that history will judge her kindly as to her time as Prime Minister or her Governments policies overall.

I think she was exceptionally awful in dealing with Scotland and used that Nation as guinea pigs for a lot of her policies showing little respect for the Scots as a whole.

[Shasown]

Its just a shame that all those who think that she hated the Scots dont actually think through their own arguments and see the flaws in them

If she hated the Scots wouldnt she have ended the preferential treatment they receive for allocation of tax payers money per head?

Would she have if using them as guinea pigs not have introduced such an ill thought of Poll tax into the rest of the UK surely bringing in a tax that actually evened out the unfairness of the rating system? And at the time the Scottish rates system was even more unafir across the board than the English System, (I ended up paying less as a married parent of two kids under the poll tax).

Oh and of course there is all the other garbage about her closing industries, she didnt close jack, she restricted public spending and support for uneconomic industries which where simply a drain on the economy at the itme.

You have to love the way people hate her yet they werent even around at the time and quote documentaries (driven by whatever motives) without even looking at the opinions of respected economists or political commentators at the time.

They do say that Scotland has the best education system in the UK, sometimes I very much doubt that. My son who is a Scot wa educated under both the English and the Scottish system, in the English system he was taught about investigating real facts, looking at all the facts and the reasons behind them. Not so with the Scots.

You have to remember as well in the late 70's and early 80's we didnt have the lovely fluffy multicultural equally opportunities culture we have nowadays. Women didnt have the same rights as men.

She was hard when needed think the term is firm but fair. you know would be funny to ask the members on here, when did their parents actually get on the housing ladder? And a few other deep insightful questions that might even make them question their own ill conceived opinions.

[joeysteele]

I think her biggest error was selling off the utilities sauch as Gas etc at near rock bottom cost to help screen over the economic incompetence of her Govt. promising that with competition fuel and energy would be far cheaper in the future, that would seem to have been a 'fanciful' belief on her part at the very best.

Also the Scots are very fair minded people, the Conservative party did rather well in Scotland a lot of the time until she became PM,then they turned strongly against her and the Conservative party.that was likely because she badly used the oil revenues from Scotland and also tested policies out on the Scots,very unpopular policies too.

It can be a good thing to be hard when it's necessary, she showed little in the way of compromise and eventually it would seem that lack of compromise was the thing that brought her own party to stab her in the back and get rid of her at the first real clear opportunity.

I admired her stance on Europe definately, she however presided over and helped worsen an even greater North-South divide in the UK and she instilled a greed into people where they were alright and to blazes with the,(especially weaker), others.
History will eventually judge her as extreme right wing and divisive figure with a poor legacy,obviously a PM who did good and necessary things as well but who overall created a massive divide in the Nation as to regions and wealth too.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think her biggest error was selling off the utilities sauch as Gas etc at near rock bottom cost to help screen over the economic incompetence of her Govt. promising that with competition fuel and energy would be far cheaper in the future, that would seem to have been a 'fanciful' belief on her part at the very best.

Also the Scots are very fair minded people, the Conservative party did rather well in Scotland a lot of the time until she became PM,then they turned strongly against her and the Conservative party.that was likely because she badly used the oil revenues from Scotland and also tested policies out on the Scots,very unpopular policies too.

It can be a good thing to be hard when it's necessary, she showed little in the way of compromise and eventually it would seem that lack of compromise was the thing that brought her own party to stab her in the back and get rid of her at the first real clear opportunity.

I admired her stance on Europe definately, she however presided over and helped worsen an even greater North-South divide in the UK and she instilled a greed into people where they were alright and to blazes with the,(especially weaker), others.
History will eventually judge her as extreme right wing and divisive figure with a poor legacy,obviously a PM who did good and necessary things as well but who overall created a massive divide in the Nation as to regions and wealth too.

Problem with holding onto public utilities was they were a major drain on the public purse. Selling them off raised a large amount, reduced public spending that was in effect supporting innefficient utilities.

The sell off could have been organised better yes, but thats with hindsight, we always have 20/20 vision in hindsight.

Oil revenues from Scotland? Dont talk rubbish, the UK is the UK the U stands for United, so its ok for Scotland to take finance from England for over 300 years but suddenly oil rights in the North Sea become Scottish? Would Scotland give back the moneys it has taken over and above other regional distributions as per Balfour?

And if we are talking independence from the UK etc, if the Orkneys,(who incidentally have a greater heritage with Scandinavia than Scotland) whose territorial waters most of the major UK oilfields fall into have a higher percentage of voters wanting independence from Scotland than Scotland has for wanting independence from the UK. Would Scotland allow the Orkneys to control all the Oil revenue?

What policies were tested out in Scotland? Are you talking poll tax again, the Scottish rates system was in a lot unfairer system than the English. So it was reformed first, as for it being a test, because of the Scottish reaction wouldnt it mean you didnt continue bringing it in? Otherwise its a pretty piss poor test for something, get the results see its a loser and continue to bring it in. isnt it? Or didnt you grasp the arguments in my previous post?

As for her losing Tory support in Scotland, that was happening a long time before she came to power, you could blame Ted Heath but then once again you would be wrong, simple fact is the tories had been losing ground in Scotland consistantly since the late sixties.

As for the North South Divide, I take it you live in the south, where I was born in the North, that divide was always there, well before Thatchers time. Believe me my father used to talk about lager drinking southern ***** in the 60's

[joeysteele]

Well Shasown,with respect I don not say you are talking rubbish so see no need for you to direct such a comment to me, the oilfields were all around the Country of Scotland,of course Scotland is part of the UK so of course it was the UK's oil but it was still wasted in the main with the major revenues covering up economic incompetence.

Also you can bet your life,(I am by the waya Southerner by birth but Scottish in desecent on my Fathers side and Irish on my Mothers), had the oilfields been around the Country of England then no way would it have been termed the UK's oil,it would only have been termed as England's being used to benefiting the whole of the UK.

Your other points have merit to them I agree and I also didn't say the Conservative party did brilliantly in Scotland prior to her becoming PM, I said they did rather well but they ended up being near wiped out completely in Scotland under her Premiership.

As for the selling off of the Utilities, history will judge that in time as one of the worst actions of any Govt outside of involvement in war or military engagement.She and her Govt were very short sighted on that and it's the people who paid and are now paying a really heavy price for that really bad policy and decision.

[Mystic Mock]

Lets put it this way,she doesnt sound as bad as David Cameron.