[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

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Education and History Lessons.



10 Outta10 for 08marsh

If my Grandmother stole her house from peasants and she lived her life steaing her income from poor people, then i'd want her house auctioned off to the highest bidder, and the money goes to all the people she stole from.

That is what the royals have done. all of their wealth comes from STEALING from the people of the UK.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

That word is so misused it's untrue. It's not "racist" in the slightest. This is Britain, we're all British. One race.

No. British is not a race.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

If they don't have power then what's the point you say they are just tourist attractions like Mickey mouse at disney world, so what makes them qualified to be entertainers? The propaganda is also ridiculous, watching the british media drool over price william in a helicopter, ,looks more like russian propaganda over Putin. It's disgraceful.

I'd say the worldwide press are more positive about the Royals than the British ones. That's more "fans" like any other "celebrity" for doing his charity work etc. But as for worldwide coverage that's part of their role, to keep British relations with other countries.

You say qualified? They are in the Royal bloodline dating back through history.

Except as the years have passed their importance is diminishing, I don't think the Monarchy will last another 100 years or less they'll be completely abolished come that time.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by SoBig

No. British is not a race.

Neither are separate family lines. As I said to lostalex, race isn't the issue.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I don't understand this idea of "the royals bring tourists"

The last thing i'd want to do if i went to London is go on one of those cheesy tours. I'm more interested in the nightlife and the shopping.

Perhaps for this to be answered, you might want to pose the question on an American forum to your fellow Americans. After all: most of them can't get enough of anything connected to British Royalty.

As for this comment below: no one mentioned 'superior'. The important and crucial word was 'bloodline', and there is nothing racist about it. Good try though

so you believe the Windsor bloodline is superior to everyone elses bloodlines?? seriously???

That is by far the most racist thing ive ever heard anyone say

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

If my Grandmother stole her house from peasants and she lived her life steaing her income from poor people, then i'd want her house auctioned off to the highest bidder, and the money goes to all the people she stole from.

That is what the royals have done. all of their wealth comes from STEALING from the people of the UK.

The Royal Family had a lot of fortune and property taken away from them in the 1700s known as the "crown" estate and the government agreed to pay them a set amount of money towards the upkeep of their properties, wages to staff and grants for transportation and security. But they had the majority of their power taken away. They don't really have personal "salaries" per se but a vast personal fortune from the Queen's self owned palaces which are run like businesses to earn them money. The Queen also pays money back into the state which outweighs the grants that are paid to them.

The monarchy were "punished" sort of for the wealth stolen in having this "crown" estate seized by parliament and having a lot of their power taken away. They came to a truce to allow them to retain the head of state position and also power over our armed forces, who serve "Queen and country".

I've come to the conclusion I use "" too often. lmao.

[Bollo]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Perhaps for this to be answered, you might want to pose the question on an American forum to your fellow Americans. After all: most of them can't get enough of anything connected to British Royalty.

This is true, I saw so many Americans interviewed on the news when the Royal wedding was on that had flown over to the UK specifically to watch it first hand, some had spent thousands on flights & hotel rooms!

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

The Royal Family had a lot of fortune and property taken away from them in the 1700s known as the "crown" estate and the government agreed to pay them a set amount of money towards the upkeep of their properties, wages to staff and grants for transportation and security. But they had the majority of their power taken away. They don't really have personal "salaries" per se but a vast personal fortune from the Queen's self owned palaces which are run like businesses to earn them money.

Doesn't the Queen and others in the Royal Family also personally own the expensive gifts bestowed upon them by other Head of State, that are also included in their personal wealth? (I'm not sure myself), just a thought after reading your post.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Bollo

This is true, I saw so many Americans interviewed on the news when the Royal wedding was on that had flown over to the UK specifically to watch it first hand, some had spent thousands on flights & hotel rooms!

you saw how many Americans out of 300 million? so yur coming to a conclusion based on 1% of the american population? get real. The same americans who loved the royal wedding were the same ones who loved the Kardashian wedding.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Doesn't the Queen and others in the Royal Family also personally own the expensive gifts bestowed upon them by other Head of State, that are also included in their personal wealth? (I'm not sure myself), just a thought after reading your post.

Yes, I'm not 100% but I would think that would come under personal wealth that is for them alone.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you saw how many Americans out of 300 million? so yur coming to a conclusion based on 1% of the american population? get real. The same americans who loved the royal wedding were the same ones who loved the Kardashian wedding.

You couldn't understand why tourists would be interested in the royal family for it to earn our country money as you said you were more interested in nightlife and shopping.

They used an example to how that there's plenty people in the world including some of your fellow Americans who do come over for the tours of Buckingham Palace etc. Everyone's different, so people should stop generalising.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i never said British is a race, stop putting words in my mouth. Quote me if you can.

Ok...

Originally Posted by lostalex

so you believe the Windsor bloodline is superior to everyone elses bloodlines?? seriously???

That is by far the most racist thing ive ever heard anyone say.

How is it racist?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Ok...



How is it racist?

umm, saying someone's bloodline is worthy of royalty is racist, it's the most obvious form of racism ever.

It obviously implies that every one else's bloodline is not good enuf to be royalty.

Exclusion based on your family bloodline is obviously racist.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

umm, saying someone's bloodline is worthy of royalty is racist, it's the most obvious form of racism ever.

It obviously implies that every one else's bloodline is not good enuf to be royalty.

Again, that can be deemed as discrimination, NOT racism.

And, again, it doesn't really matter anymore. Their power has been significantly diminished and they inherit mostly their own family's wealth and fortune so why would they give it to someone outside the family? Hence my comparison to your grandmother's house.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

umm, saying someone's bloodline is worthy of royalty is racist, it's the most obvious form of racism ever.

It obviously implies that every one else's bloodline is not good enuf to be royalty.

Exclusion based on your family bloodline is obviously racist.

The fact that someone already part of the Royal Family gives birth, that child then by way of blood, also becomes part of it.

It seems the words 'hereditary' and 'bloodlines' may possibly be ones that you don't quite understand if you aren't able to grasp that they are nothing to do with racism.

Looks like this is just another Bash The Brits thread from our fellow fms across the Pond.

[Livia]

Talking of bloodlines and dynasties, let's not forget the USA's own bloodlines and dynasties: the Kennedy family, the Bush family... What makes them dynasties is money, whereas what makes our own is culture, tradition and history. Which is better....? You decide.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

The fact that someone already part of the Royal Family gives birth, that child then by way of blood, also becomes part of it.

It seems the words 'hereditary' and 'bloodlines' may possibly be ones that you don't quite understand if you aren't able to grasp that they are nothing to do with racism.

Looks like this is just another Bash The Brits thread from our fellow fms across the Pond.

How is it bash the Brits??

Britain is not the only country with a hereditary Monarchy, I'd say the same thing about any monarchy, not just the British one, so i'm not singling out Brits.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

How is it bash the Brits??

Britain is not the only country with a hereditary Monarchy, I'd say the same thing about any monarchy, not just the British one, so i'm not singling out Brits.

Your churlish attempts to infer that the Royal Family are racist, that's what I'm referring to. I did not state you were singling out the Brits, but you are on a UK forum therefore it is pertinent.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Your churlish attempts to infer that the Royal Family are racist, that's what I'm referring to. I did not state you were singling out the Brits, but you are on a UK forum therefore it is pertinent.

I never said the individual royals are racist, i said the institution is racist.

The system is racist, not the people. IN MY OPINION.

can't a boy have an opinion around here? christ almighty!

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I never said the individual royals are racist, i said the institution is racist.

The system is racist, not the people. IN MY OPINION.

Actually, you did.

Originally Posted by lostalex
so you believe the Windsor bloodline is superior to everyone elses bloodlines?? seriously???

That is by far the most racist thing ive ever heard anyone say.

A bloodline is not a system. A bloodline involves PEOPLE not systems.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Actually, you did.



A bloodline is not a system. A bloodline involves PEOPLE not systems.

it INvolves people that doesn't make them THE SYSTEM though. Government involves people to, that doesn't mean people ARE the government system. It's a system.

this is pathetic semantics. Google it, i'm not gonna play dictionary for you.

[seanraff07]

The Monarchy is almost pointless and worthless, they hardly do anything.

[Bollo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you saw how many Americans out of 300 million? so yur coming to a conclusion based on 1% of the american population? get real. The same americans who loved the royal wedding were the same ones who loved the Kardashian wedding.

You said that you didn't understand the idea that the Royals bring tourists, so I was giving an example of how they do, which included your fellow country people. Also I have quite a few American friends and relatives who when they stay here go and visit Buckingham Palace, Tower of London, Hampton Court etc and they most certainly do not like "The Kardashains"

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Bollo

You said that you didn't understand the idea that the Royals bring tourists, so I was giving an example of how they do, which included your fellow country people. Also I have quite a few American friends and relatives who when they stay here go and visit Buckingham Palace, Tower of London, Hampton Court etc and they most certainly do not like "The Kardashains"

I understand the concept of celebrity, so why can't the royals be elected and be celebrities?

Plenty of people come to washington DC to go to the white house, and capitol building, and we don't have a monarchy, all of the people in those buildings are there based on elections.

the idea of a bloodline living off of their parents celebrity is repulsive, just like Paris Hilton. people should not be judged based on their parents status.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I understand the concept of celebrity, so why can't the royals be elected and be celebrities?

Plenty of people come to washington DC to go to the white house, and capitol building, and we don't have a monarchy, all of the people in those buildings are there based on elections.

the idea of a bloodline living off of their parents celebrity is repulsive, just like Paris Hilton. people should not be judged based on their parents status.

Except this is very different to Paris Hilton.

If you genuinely believe that is a valid comparison then this discussion ceases to be serious.