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Kizzy · 22-04-2012, 12:58 PM

This has been put forward for the NHS as it was for teachers, I feel the government are trying to forge a north south divide as well as effectively deprofessionalizing these careers both of which are crucial to society.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...aff?CMP=twt_gu

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Health unions accused the health secretary of seeking to drive down wages in the provinces with the crippling consequence of creating an ever deeper north-south economic divide.

Why are the government allowed to contine with this? It is effectively segregation...

Kizzy · 24-04-2012, 07:53 PM

might bump this as it has relavance to another thread, and It was quite late when posted.

thesheriff443 · 24-04-2012, 08:15 PM

bump and grind kizzy.

Omah · 24-04-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy

This has been put forward for the NHS as it was for teachers, I feel the government are trying to forge a north south divide as well as effectively deprofessionalizing these careers both of which are crucial to society.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...aff?CMP=twt_gu

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Health unions accused the health secretary of seeking to drive down wages in the provinces with the crippling consequence of creating an ever deeper north-south economic divide.

Why are the government allowed to contine with this? It is effectively segregation...

Yeah, another of Cameron's Big Society ideas that will never work - if implemented it will lead to major problems within the NHS due to regional differentials - like all his other ideas, they seem to have been provided by party interns with a PPE Douglas who once did a couple of weeks at business school or read the first 3 chapters of a law book .....

Omah · 24-04-2012, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...aff?CMP=twt_gu

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Official documents reveal that the only exemption backed by the Department of Health would be for highly paid managers working in new bodies established to deliver Lansley's controversial NHS reform programme, widely criticised as a privatisation of the health service.

The department, according to a submission to the NHS pay review body, believes special arrangements would be necessary for this new cohort of executives to "attract and retain high-calibre leaders and staff responsible for transforming delivery".

The revelation was seized upon by the government's critics on Saturday night as fresh evidence that the coalition is out of touch with the British public.

Jobs in the Cohort for Cameron's Cronies .....

The old argument for paying executives massive salaries - "attract and retain high-calibre leaders" - well, paying bank directors and chief executives massive salaries and bonuses didn't stop banks and businesses from going bust, did it .....

Kizzy · 25-04-2012, 07:51 PM

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Lansley's recommendation was made in response to the call by the chancellor, George Osborne, in his recent budget for the public sector to be "more responsive to local pay rates" to help the private sector grow in economically depressed parts of the UK.

Yeah like the dangerously unregulated private care homes are working?...untrained staff on minimum wage mistreating clients.
Hospitals will be next...

Livia · 25-04-2012, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy

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Lansley's recommendation was made in response to the call by the chancellor, George Osborne, in his recent budget for the public sector to be "more responsive to local pay rates" to help the private sector grow in economically depressed parts of the UK.

Yeah like the dangerously unregulated private care homes are working?...untrained staff on minimum wage mistreating clients.
Hospitals will be next...

Meanwhile, council trained staff seem to be mistreating patients too. I won't bother posting the links, I'm sure you already know what I'm talking about. And if not, just google "mistreatment elderly council care homes" and you get pages and pages of the stuff. Meanwhile, my local, privately run care home enjoys a range of entertainments, hairdressing, private rooms with their own stuff, a caring staff.... There are good and bad everywhere. One section of society is not inherently bad and one section is not inherently good no matter where they live, how much money they've got or who they vote for.

Actually, you already have "trained" nurses in the NHS mistreating and neglecting patients.

For those on low pay in London (like care workers) who have to pay substantially more rent and council tax to what their northern counterparts pay, some weighting to their salary is a must, or key workers will be driven out completely.

Kizzy · 25-04-2012, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Meanwhile, council trained staff seem to be mistreating patients too. I won't bother posting the links, I'm sure you already know what I'm talking about. And if not, just google "mistreatment elderly council care homes" and you get pages and pages of the stuff. Meanwhile, my local, privately run care home enjoys a range of entertainments, hairdressing, private rooms with their own stuff, a caring staff.... There are good and bad everywhere. One section of society is not inherently bad and one section is not inherently good no matter where they live, how much money they've got or who they vote for.

Actually, you already have "trained" nurses in the NHS mistreating and neglecting patients.

For those on low pay in London (like care workers) who have to pay substantially more rent and council tax to what their northern counterparts pay, some weighting to their salary is a must, or key workers will be driven out completely.

My point is the standards for NHS staff with regard to education and training at the moment is head and shoulders above the private sector imo....
Also I do not believe the 'weighting' of salaries is the answer....Many years ago laws were passed to counter greedy landlords profiteering from rents in the capital.
Would you like me to google those?...