[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17986383

Tenants in east London are being evicted from their homes as landlords attempt to cash in on the Olympics, BBC News has learned.

The housing charity Shelter says it has seen more evidence of landlords acting unscrupulously and evicting people illegally.

One estate agent said properties typically rented for £350 per week were being marketed for £6,000 per week.

Shelter fear the problem will get worse as the Games approach.

The BBC's Michael Buchanan says: "The potential profits are leading to some private landlords telling their tenants they have to leave their homes, with little notice."

One woman told the BBC she and her four housemates had been given two weeks to leave; another couple had been given three weeks.

All said their landlords were seeking to capitalise on the Olympics.

Shelter says it has seen increasing evidence of landlords giving tenants little time to leave or increasing rents hugely during the Olympics and it worries the situation will get worse as the Games approach.

More "resident abuse" due to the LOG as parasites lower down the pecking order use the opportunity to make massive profits .....

[joeysteele]

Well surely part of the problem in this lies with the agreements signed as to the tenancies.
If for instance an agreement states that a private landlord can terminate tenancies with as little as 2 weeks notice and that was agreed and signed up to then they can do it.
I think it seems very wrong what these private landlords may be doing but perhaps this is where more needs to be done to protect tenants not only in council housing but also in private renting circumstances.

We know private landlords can be the greediest, they often buy cheap properties,spend a bit more doing them up then charge over the top rents for them,for those claiming benefits to help pay their due rents that is a strain on the taxpayer and state.
There needs to be an overhaul of the guidelines as to landlords offering properties for privtae renting just as there is for council housing and 2 weeks notice to anyone, who hasn't done anything wrong is and should be made totally unacceptable.

These are the issues Govt should be dealing with and addressing in the current times, not being sidetracked with costly exercises like Lords reform and also reforming things that don't need to be like the NHS and Police while ducking out of the major things that do need urgent reform.
The Govt knows a large part of the main strain on housing benefit costs are due to overcharging by private landlords for rents.

What is needed are firm rules on renting any housing to UK citizens for both local authority housing and private landlords too, A properly laid out and secure tenants charter that all must abide by.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well surely part of the problem in this lies with the agreements signed as to the tenancies.

What is needed are firm rules on renting any housing to UK citizens for both local authority housing and private landlords too, A properly laid out and secure tenants charter that all must abide by.

I'll bet that no-one's thought of that before .....

..... oh, they have :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent_co...al_development

Rent control in England and Wales has adapted itself to changes in attitudes to the right to housing in mainland Britain. Concepts, such as rent control, security of tenure, statutory tenancy, regulated tenancy, fair rent, rent officer, Rent Officer Service and assured tenancy were introduced in the twentieth century, and have developed in the years since.

Rent control is an important specialist field of English property law, and concerns the intervention of public law rights in private relations between landlord and tenant.

Rent control and security of tenure were first introduced on 23 December1915with the Increase of Rent and Mortgage Interest (War Restrictions) Act 1915 and were intended to be temporary measures (due to expire six months after the end of the First World War) to deal with excessive increases in rents caused by the wartime housing shortage due to the cessation of building.

(Masses of legislation in between)

The Housing Act 1996 included provisions about the social rented sector; houses in multiple occupation; the administration of housing benefit, the conduct of tenants, the allocation of housing by local housing authorities and homelessness.

More recently :

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/m...#ixzz1uGr0kmA3

Government to consider landlords and tenants charter in bid to simplify private rented housing sector

Communities minister Grant Shapps today said it will consider drawing a charter of requirements aimed at simplifying the private rented housing sector.

The document, intended for both landlords and tenants, could include legal fire safety standards and rules governing anti-social behaviour, MPs were told.

Liberal Democrat MP Adrian Sanders (Torbay), in a question to Mr Shapps, speaking in the Commons, said that a way of reducing the regulatory burden on landlords but also improving the safety and security for tenants, would be to provide a central, standardised document.

[joeysteele]

No, I think what is needed is whole overhaul 'now' at this present time,of the rented housing sector, council and private for these more difficult times,even 1996 is nearly 2 decades ago.

Landlords have got greedier and as the article above appears to demonstrate have found ways around any protection of tenancies.

People are struggling to find and get rented accommodation that is affordable and secure for them, this is 2012, not the 80s,the 90s and certainly not 1915.
People should have a right to a home,their tenancy of it should be as secure as ti can be as it is in the older tenancies of council housing.
Firm and non-negotiable terms of notice needs to be part of any tenancy agreement and 2 weeks is a ridiculous period,also the right to appeal to a court should always be part of any tenacy agreemetn too, whether council or private tenancies.

So let's see what this new venture brings but it seems to be going to be another Conservative/Lib Dem to and fro situation on the issue, more needs to be done right now and should have been done a few years ago too.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No, I think what is needed is whole overhaul 'now' at this present time,of the rented housing sector, council and private for these more difficult times,even 1996 is nearly 2 decades ago.

Landlords have got greedier and as the article above appears to demonstrate have found ways around any protection of tenancies.

People are struggling to find and get rented accommodation that is affordable and secure for them, this is 2012, not the 80s,the 90s and certainly not 1915.
People should have a right to a home,their tenancy of it should be as secure as ti can be as it is in the older tenancies of council housing.
Firm and non-negotiable terms of notice needs to be part of any tenancy agreement and 2 weeks is a ridiculous period,also the right to appeal to a court should always be part of any tenacy agreemetn too, whether council or private tenancies.

So let's see what this new venture brings but it seems to be going to be another Conservative/Lib Dem to and fro situation on the issue, more needs to be done right now and should have been done a few years ago too.

You're missing the point ..... Accomodation and Rents have been major issues since time immemorial and part of the UK legislative system since 1915. There will NEVER be a solution that suits all parties, political, legal or civil, since circumstances dictate landlords behaviour (the circumstances in this case being the LOG) - there will only ever be stop-gaps between crises and the current Tory Government, least of all, will be considering spending money on legislation that inhibits landlords from making massive amounts of money or provides affordable housing for the working classes .....

Landlords have NOT got greedier ..... they have always been like that, e.g. :

http://notting-hill.london.myvillage.../peter-rachman

Peter Rachman became known as Britain’s most notorious landlord. He acquired many slum properties in the north London suburbs, particularly around the Notting Hill area, which in the 50s and 60s did not have the hip and trendy image portrayed today. His policy was to acquire tenanted buildings. He used violence to evict sitting tenants so he could fill squalid properties with immigrant families from the West Indies who, without anywhere else to go, were crammed into tiny flats at extortionate rents because of the colour bar, which prevented them from renting anywhere else.

Rachman’s name is so synonymous with bad housing that is included in English dictionaries: Rachmanism: ’Landlords buying up slums to fill with immigrants at extortionate rents; named after Peter Rachman, a notorious racketeering landlord in Notting Hill in the 1950s and 1960s’.

[arista]

"Landlords have NOT got greedier ..... they have always been like that"


Yes Joey.



Life In The City.

[Marc]

Hmmm :-/ pretty bad.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Omah

You're missing the point ..... Accomodation and Rents have been major issues since time immemorial and part of the UK legislative system since 1915. There will NEVER be a solution that suits all parties, political, legal or civil, since circumstances dictate landlords behaviour - there will only ever be stop-gaps between crises and the current Tory Government, least of all, will be considering spending money on legislation that inhibits landlords from making massive amounts of money or provides affordable housing for the working classes .....

Landlords have NOT got greedier ..... they have always been like that, e.g. :

http://notting-hill.london.myvillage.../peter-rachman

I don't think I am missing the point at all, however I agree with the article as you originally posted it and I feel the need for a full overhaul and set guidelines for all rented accommodation to be done now now.

That is my view I have posted above. I am not however going to go round in circles all day on the issue and with the fullest repect to you Omah, you posted the article and subsequent articles, I have then said what I think but to be honest,I am,(for one anyway), left not having a clue what you think despite you posting the article and making the op

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"Landlords have NOT got greedier ..... they have always been like that"


Yes Joey.



Life In The City.

Time something was done about it then.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't think I am missing the point at all, however I agree with the article as you originally posted it and I feel the need for a full overhaul and set guidelines for all rented accommodation to be done now now.

That is my view I have posted above. I am not however going to go round in circles all day on the issue and with the fullest repect to you Omah, you posted the article and subsequent articles, I have then said what I think but to be honest,I am,(for one anyway), left not having a clue what you think despite you posting the article and making the op

Really ?

I thought I made my opinion clear :

More "resident abuse" due to the LOG as parasites lower down the pecking order use the opportunity to make massive profits .....

My "gripe" is not with landlords per se but with the profiteers of the LOG .....

It was you who introduced the alternate issues of "agreements, tenancies, council housing, private renting circumstances, claiming benefits is a strain on the taxpayer and state, Lords reform, the NHS and Police."

My replies concerning rent control were made in the hope that you would realiise that you know less about that topic than I do .....

I was a rent-payer in the private sector for 10 years, starting off in bed-sits and ending up in a luxury apartment .....

While employed (for many years) as an IT specialist in local government, my main responsibilities were rents, rates and housing benefits, so I have considerable experience in implementing legislative changes at a local level .....

[joeysteele]

I think Omah if you look at my post correctly, I dealt with this issue and only mentioned the NHS etc as a point that this private landlord issue is something that should be looked at again and dealt with 'now' with some urgency but as to the NHS reforms etc they were things sidetracking the Govt from dealing with major and important issues like this one.

While dealing with this particular matter which you raised in your op,in my view it would then also be a good opportunity for them to also look at the whole overall structure of private landlords and housing again. That was my only point.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think Omah if you look at my post correctly, I dealt with this issue and only mentioned the NHS etc as a point that this private landlord issue is something that should be looked at again and dealt with 'now' with some urgency but as to the NHS reforms etc they were things sidetracking the Govt from dealing with major and important issues like this one.

IMO, YOU did the "sidetracking" .....

While dealing with this particular matter which you raised in your op,in my view it would then also be a good opportunity for them to also look at the whole overall structure of private landlords and housing again. That was my only point.

Nothing to do with the LOG, then .....

[joeysteele]

Oh, okay Omah you can be right if you think/say you are,I cannot be bothered with this tit for tat,I did this you did that,not on a serious issue anyway.

In any event,Grant Shapps has just been on TV and has said beyond doubt what these landlords are doing would be illegal anyway under current laws, he is a politician I have a lot of time for so it would seem all these tenants need to do is challenge the eviction orders.
Grant Shapps even said such landlords could face 2 years in prison,so for me that's good enough for me at this time on this issue.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Time something was done about it then.

No Supply and Demand
have changed
so now is not the time.


13 years of New Labour Wasted
a Example that escapes Omah.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh, okay Omah you can be right if you think/say you are,I cannot be bothered with this tit for tat,I did this you did that,not on a serious issue anyway.

In any event,Grant Shapps has just been on TV and has said beyond doubt what these landlords are doing would be illegal anyway under current laws, he is a politician I have a lot of time for so it would seem all these tenants need to do is challenge the eviction orders.
Grant Shapps even said such landlords could face 2 years in prison,so for me that's good enough for me at this time on this issue.

Yes Grant is a bright Chap.


Life In The Fast Lane.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

In my view it would then also be a good opportunity for them to also look at the whole overall structure of private landlords and housing again. That was my only point.

Originally Posted by joeysteele

In any event, Grant Shapps has just been on TV and has said beyond doubt what these landlords are doing would be illegal anyway under current laws, he is a politician I have a lot of time for so it would seem all these tenants need to do is challenge the eviction orders.
Grant Shapps even said such landlords could face 2 years in prison,so for me that's good enough for me at this time on this issue.

So ..... your "only point" was pointless with regard to the topic .....

If you'd read the BBC item, you'd have seen that

Housing Minister Grant Shapps said: "Landlords should be under no doubt that it is a criminal offence for them to evict a tenant without giving proper notice, and that anyone found guilty of doing this - or of harassing a tenant - could lead to a custodial sentence of up to two years.

"While we have yet to see hard evidence that landlords are acting in this way we are sure that the relevant local authorities will want to hear from organisations like Shelter so that the appropriate action can be taken against anyone who tries to do this."

In effect, the Government is not interested and is passing the buck on to the lower orders (aka "Empowerment") .....

[Omah]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Shapps

In June 2007, Grant Shapps became Shadow Housing Minister, outside the Shadow Cabinet, but entitled to attend its meetings. Shapps was Shadow Housing Minister during the period of the last four Labour Government Housing Ministers.

Shapps argued in favour of a community-up approach to solving the housing crisis and warned against the then Government's strategy of top-down Whitehall driven housing targets, which he believed had failed in the past. In his 2007, 2008 and 2009 Conservative Party Conference speeches on Housing, Shapps outlined a vision of localism being used to replace centrally imposed housing targets with the aim of creating more new build overall.

In April 2009 Grant Shapps launched the Conservative Party's 9th Green Paper on policy called Strong Foundations. In it Shapps argued for new Local Housing Trusts designed to allow local communities to grant themselves planning permission to expand

Not one for Government intervention is he .....

He's also a major Crony :

Shapps publicly backed David Cameron's bid for the leadership of the Conservative Party, seconding Cameron's nomination papers. Upon Cameron's election as Party Leader Shapps was appointed Vice Chairman of the Conservative Party.

[Mrluvaluva]

The rental prices are just ridiculous and so ad hoc at the moment in the olympic catchment area. People are putting flats up for rent at whatever price they want. I was looking in the area where I used to live, and while there are flats on the market (6 month period or more) for relatively normal prices (£1,500 per month say), there are plenty of short term olympic lets that are asking up to £20,000 per month or more for a 1/2 bedroom flat.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

The rental prices are just ridiculous and so ad hoc at the moment in the olympic catchment area. People are putting flats up for rent at whatever price they want. I was looking in the area where I used to live, and while there are flats on the market (6 month period or more) for relatively normal prices (£1,500 per month say), there are plenty of short term olympic lets that are asking up to £20,000 per month or more for a 1/2 bedroom flat.

+


Its to be Expected.

Supply and Demand

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Omah

So ..... your "only point" was pointless with regard to the topic .....

If you'd read the BBC item, you'd have seen that



In effect, the Government is not interested and is passing the buck on to the lower orders (aka "Empowerment") .....

None of my points are pointless Omah just as none of your are either, it is a differing view and perspective, Kindly do not respond if all you can do is attempt to insult people.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

None of my points are pointless Omah just as none of your are either, it is a differing view and perspective, Kindly do not respond if all you can do is attempt to insult people.

Pointing out your point was pointless was pedantically correct, since I included the phrase "with regard to the topic".

Please do not make wild accusations of "insults" when you have lost a debate .....

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Omah

Pointing out your point was pointless was pedantically correct, since I included the phrase "with regard to the topic".

Please do not make wild accusations of "insults" when you have lost a debate .....

I wasn't aware we were debating, debating has ones own words not always quoting newpapers or news snippets.

I made the point that something needed to be done now for these tenants being evicted,I then opened that up to extend to all tenants.

Grant Shapps has made that clear point and answered it to my satisfaction,he has stated the landlords are acting illegally likely.
That being the case, the tenants only need to challenge the eviction threats.
There is in effect nothing now to debate as to the issue.

How you come up with I lost the debate is beyond me when in fact what I indicated should be the case for these tenants threatened with eviction is in fact already in place to be used for their purpose,confirmed by the Housing Minister Grant Shapps.

That is a really good thing and thankfully I can now leave this issue as my concerns have been addressed,not from what you have said but from what I have since learned from the Housing Minister while he was interviewed on TV.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I wasn't aware we were debating, debating has ones own words not always quoting newpapers or news snippets.

YOU weren't debating - you hijacked my thread with your usual ideological and political obfuscation :

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well surely part of the problem in this lies with the agreements signed as to the tenancies..
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What is needed are firm rules on renting any housing to UK citizens for both local authority housing and private landlords too, A properly laid out and secure tenants charter that all must abide by.

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I made the point that something needed to be done now for these tenants being evicted,I then opened that up to extend to all tenants.

BIB No, you didn't .....

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Grant Shapps has made that clear point and answered it to my satisfaction,he has stated the landlords are acting illegally likely. That being the case, the tenants only need to challenge the eviction threats.

You make it sound so simple ..... have YOU ever challenged a landlord's eviction threats ?

Originally Posted by joeysteele

How you come up with I lost the debate is beyond me

Well, when you said :

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I cannot be bothered with this tit for tat

and "left the room", I though you had finished posting on this thread .....

[joeysteele]

[QUOTE=Omah;5125495]YOU weren't debating - you hijacked my thread with your usual ideological and political obfuscation :


Hijacked, oh for goodness sake,I tell you what Omah, usually members make threads for others to come onto and say things from their perspective.
However since you seem to enjoy making threads and then putting some people down more than anything for what they say or perceive things to be ,I will do you a great personal favour,(and mayself too likely), by not coming on any threads you make in the future.

You just keep posting your news cuttings. I would welcome greatly if you avoided responding to any of my posts on anyones threads in the future,if you did,don't expect a response from me because you will not get one back. Thank you and all my best to you.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Hijacked, oh for goodness sake,I tell you what Omah, usually members make threads for others to come onto and say things from their perspective.

Only if they stay on-topic and don't regurgitate what they've read on a college course .....

Originally Posted by joeysteele

However since you seem to enjoy making threads and then putting some people down more than anything for what they say or perceive things to be ,I will do you a great personal favour,(and mayself too likely), by not coming on any threads you make in the future.

"putting some people down" .....

Not me ..... I leave that to experts, who, presumably, you may encounter later on in life .....

You just keep posting your news cuttings. I would welcome greatly if you avoided responding to any of my posts on anyones threads in the future,if you did,don't expect a response from me because you will not get one back. Thank you and all my best to you.

BIB Sounds like an attempt at a "highly offensive put-down" to me but I'll survive, so just put me on your "Ignore" list .....