[Brother Leon]

A stabbing at the Westfield shopping centre in Stratford, east London has left one person dead and two with minor injuries, police say.

A police statement said officers arrived just before 4.30pm after reports of a fight involving a large group of males in "The Street" on the ground floor of the mall.

It said that a man suffering stab wounds, believed to be in his 20s, was pronounced dead at the scene

He has not yet been formally identified.

The statement added that two other men suffered minor injuries.

One man has been arrested and is helping police with their inquiries.

A statement from the London Ambulance Service said: "We were called just before 4.25pm to reports of a stabbing at Westfield in Stratford and sent two ambulance crews, a responder in a car, an officer and London's Air Ambulance to the scene.

"Sadly, despite extensive efforts to resuscitate him, the patient was pronounced dead at the scene.

"We were also called to Stratford underground station and sent two further ambulance crews and another responder in a car.

"Two male patients were treated at the scene, one of them for stab wounds and a second for minor injuries, and both have been taken to hospital."


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Wow.

Sad news.

[Omah]

Let me guess - black-on-black wannabe gangsta turf warfare .....

[arista]

Yes Ego's

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Omah

Let me guess - black-on-black wannabe gangsta turf warfare .....

Every stabbing involves Black people yeah?


Or is it because everyone in a gang is a black fella?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Every stabbing involves Black people yeah?


Or is it because everyone in a gang is a black fella?

Am I right or wrong ?

AFAIK, Stratford, in Newham, has one of the highest ethnic minority populations of all the districts in the country, with no particular ethnic group dominating. The local authority is Newham London Borough Council, the second most deprived in England.

https://sites.google.com/site/london...h-pages/newham

Newham is one of the most diverse boroughs in London and has been home to numerous gangs and organised firms for decades. They range from the old white working class firms of the south and west parts of the borough such as the “Canning Town Firm" to the numerous Asian gangs concentrated more to the east around East Ham, Green Street and Manor Park and the more recent black and multi-ethnic gangs predominantly located north and north west of the borough in areas such as Stratford and Forest Gate.

The writer seems authorative enough.

I presume that more details of the latest murder will become available shortly.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18657168

Detectives are continuing to question five suspects after the death of a man who was stabbed at a shopping centre yards from the Olympic Park.

The 24-year-old victim, yet to be formally identified, was knifed during a fight at Westfield in Stratford, east London, on Friday afternoon.

The five arrested are aged from 20 to 23. Detectives want shoppers who witnessed the fight to contact them.

Police said a post-mortem examination on the victim, who is from Stratford, was being arranged.

His next of kin have been informed.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18662504

A man who was stabbed to death at a shopping centre yards from the Olympic Park has been named by police.

Liam Woodards, 24, was knifed during a fight at Westfield in Stratford, east London, on Friday afternoon.

Police were questioning five men aged 20 to 23 over the death but have since released one, aged 23, with a caution for affray and no further action.

[arista]

15 year old with a weapon
that should get a long sentance,

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18669688

Nine people have been charged with violent disorder following a fatal stabbing at Westfield shopping centre in Stratford, east London.

Liam Woodards, 24, of Stratford, was killed during a fight at the centre on Friday afternoon.

Three men were arrested on Friday and a further six were held over the weekend. They were due to appear before magistrates.

Scotland Yard said two other men suffered minor injuries.

A murder investigation has been launched.

Michael Alvaranga, 23 of Leytonstone; and Javin Righbie, 22, of Stratford; are to appear before Barkingside magistrates later.

Michael Ndefo, 21, Rhys Regisford, 20, and Emmanuel Oloyede, 19, all from Plaistow; Jason Vaughan, 24, Tony Caton, 21, and Danny Caton, 23, all of Stratford; and Jerome McLeish, 20, of Victoria Docks; are due before Thames Magistrates' Court.

A 23-year-old man arrested on Friday was later cautioned for affray and released with no further action while a 20-year-old man, also arrested in connection with the investigation, has been bailed to return to an east London police station on a date in July pending further inquiries.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18701136

Two men have been arrested on suspicion of the murder of a 24-year-old man who was stabbed at Westfield shopping centre in east London.

The two men, aged 20 and 19, were previously arrested on Tuesday on suspicion of violent disorder.

Nine people have been charged with violent disorder in connection with the death.

Michael Alvaranga, 23 of Leytonstone, and Javin Righbie, 22, of Stratford, appeared at Barkingside Magistrates' Court and were remanded in custody until 9 July.

Michael Ndefo, 21, and Rhys Regisford, 20, both from Plaistow; Jason Vaughan, 24, and Danny Caton, 23, from Stratford; and Jerome McLeish, 20, of Victoria Docks; were remanded in custody by Thames magistrates until 9 July.

Tony Caton, 21, of Stratford, and Emmanuel Oloyede, 19, of Plaistow, were released on bail until 30 July

[Redway]

It's nothing to do with the colour of someone's skin or their race.

I live in a rough area in Liverpool. The main reason someone's race is brought into the policing system is to help identify a criminal, not to stereotype them based on it and as I said all the idiots around my area are white, plenty of them being put behind bars, so this idea that it's only black people who do such things as this is inaccurate and wrong.

As you said, no particular ethnic group in Newham dominates, so your mention of it presumably being between two black people was in very poor taste. This issue has nothing to do with race, skin colour or ethnic groups.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Redway

It's nothing to do with the colour of someone's skin or their race.

I live in a rough area in Liverpool. The main reason someone's race is brought into the policing system is to help identify a criminal, not to stereotype them based on it and as I said all the idiots around my area are white, plenty of them being put behind bars, so this idea that it's only black people who do such things as this is inaccurate and wrong.

As you said, no particular ethnic group in Newham dominates, so your mention of it presumably being between two black people was in very poor taste. This issue has nothing to do with race, skin colour or ethnic groups.

Am I right or wrong about this incident ?

Nobody knows yet ..... therefore you are absolutely incorrect to positively assert that "This issue has nothing to do with race, skin colour or ethnic groups"

..... and please note that I didn't say "only black people who do such things" and I never said "presumably being between two black people" - you are obviously trying to bait me by mis-quoting me with inaccurate assertions .....

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Omah

Am I right or wrong about this incident ?

Nobody knows yet ..... therefore you are absolutely incorrect to positively assert that "This issue has nothing to do with race, skin colour or ethnic groups"

..... and please note that I didn't say "only black people who do such things" and I never said "presumably being between two black people" - you are obviously trying to bait me by mis-quoting me with inaccurate assertions .....

Let's not go down the baiting card whenever anybody challenges your posts in the Serious Debates and News Stories Section.

I never said you were wrong but the fact that the offenders' skin colour happens to be black bears neither any relevance nor correlation to the discussion. If it was a racially motivated attack I would see your point but as you yourself have stated very clearly all the offenders were black. My quote to you was to question why you thought their race was in any way, shape or form relevant to the discussion.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Redway

Let's not go down the baiting card whenever anybody challenges your posts in the Serious Debates and News Stories Section.

I never said you were wrong but the fact that "the offenders' skin colour" happens to be black bears neither any relevance nor correlation to the discussion. If it was a racially motivated attack I would see your point but as you yourself have stated very clearly all the offenders were black. My quote to you was to question why you thought their race was in any way, shape or form relevant to the discussion.

Do we know ""the offenders' skin colour" - I don't think so .....

"you yourself have stated very clearly all the offenders were black" - no, I haven't .....

"My quote to you was to question why you thought their race was in any way, shape or form relevant to the discussion"

No, it wasn't .....


It seems that you misquote yourself as well as misquoting me - you can hardly expect me to answer questions that you haven't asked .....

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Omah

Do we know ""the offenders' skin colour" - I don't think so .....

"you yourself have stated very clearly all the offenders were black" - no, I haven't .....

"My quote to you was to question why you thought their race was in any way, shape or form relevant to the discussion"

No, it wasn't .....


It seems that you misquote yourself as well as misquoting me - you can hardly expect me to answer questions that you haven't asked .....

Some of them are clearly black. On topic, my post to you was questioning why you thought it was relevant to ask if they were black. Why does their skin colour actually matter to you?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Redway

Some of them are clearly black.

Really? You've seen Photos ?

On topic, my post to you was questioning why you thought it was relevant to ask if they were black. Why does their skin colour actually matter to you?

You didn't question - you asserted ..... and it seems that it matters more to you than to me .....

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Omah

Really? You've seen Photos ?




You didn't question - you asserted ..... and it seems that it matters more to you than to me .....

Emmanuel Oloyede. I have black friends and that's an African name (the surname). Anyway, I quoted your first post. Have a think.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Redway

Emmanuel Oloyede. I have black friends and that's an African name (the surname).

If you say so .....

Originally Posted by Redway

Anyway, I quoted your first post.).

No, you didn't .....

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Omah

If you say so .....



No, you didn't .....

You know what I'm on about. Are you saying that all gangsters are black? Is that what you're saying?

Also, do you actually attempt to answer people's questions or just have a skim and then proceed to post your nonsense?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Redway

You know what I'm on about. Are you saying that all gangsters are black? Is that what you're saying?

No.

Is that what you're saying? You keep saying things that I have, allegedly, said, without any evidence whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Redway

Also, do you actually attempt to answer people's questions or just have a skim and then proceed to post your nonsense?

I would refer you to my previous posts regarding your lack of attention to detail and postulation of blatant untruths.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Omah

No.

Is that what you're saying? You keep saying things that I have, allegedly, said, without any evidence whatsoever.



I would refer you to my previous posts regarding your lack of attention to detail and postulation of blatant untruths.

Let me guess - black-on-black wannabe gangsta turf warfare .....

If you still think I'm making up things, I refer you to your first post on this thread.

Incidentally, Brother Leon quoted your post so your game is over. Don't play that crap with me.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Redway

If you still think I'm making up things, I refer you to your first post on this thread.

Incidentally, Brother Leon quoted your post so your game is over. Don't play that crap with me.

"Brother Leon quoted your post so your game is over"

He did, you didn't .....

Your blustering and bullying approach to discussion, with your scant regard for what is actually said, will not work with me .....

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Omah

"Brother Leon quoted your post so your game is over"

He did, you didn't .....

Your blustering and bullying approach to discussion, with your scant regard for what is actually said, will not work with me .....

To be honest, I'm not wasting my time debating with someone who thinks his points being challenged - in this section in particular - equates to being agressive and bullying.

The reason I mentioned that Brother Leon quoted your first post was so we had a permanent record of that post in case you had something sneaky up your sleeve.

Anyway, we're scating around the issue at hand. Why did you feel the need to know their skin colour?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Redway

To be honest, I'm not wasting my time debating with someone who thinks his points being challenged - in this section in particular - equates to being agressive and bullying.

Yet again, you have misquoted me - I didn't say "aggressive", I said "blustering" .....

To be honst, I can't be bothered replying to someone who appears to have a different logical perspective to written English than myself ....

I have no doubt that you will want "the last word", but, since it will undoubtedly contain manifestations of your interpretation, imagination or invention, I shall not be reading it .....

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Omah

Yet again, you have misquoted me - I didn't say "aggressive", I said "blustering" .....

To be honst, I can't be bothered replying to someone who appears to have a different logical perspective to written English than myself ....

I have no doubt that you will want "the last word", but, since it will undoubtedly contain manifestations of your interpretation, imagination or invention, I shall not be reading it .....

Yes, because having a blustering and bullying aproach to a discussion (as you put it) doesn't equate to being agressive. None of that's even true in my case (i.e. you throwing silly labels around because someone doesn't agree with your ridiculous ideas) but if you really want to go down that line, this is the definition of blustering: loud, aggressive, or indignant talk with little effect. Are you trying to take the topic at hand even more off-topic or have you genuinely never heard of a synonym?

I'm not trying to edge in the last word. I'm just curious as to why you as of yet still haven't answered my question and the chances are you never will. You clearly like skating around issues and don't actually contribute but produce tedium and try and think you have the better of the situation by being extremely pedantic.

In regards to your last paragraph, I have no problem refraining from discussing anything with you in future. In fact, I don't even want to see you. You can bang me onto your ignore list for all I care and you can rest assured that I'll do the same.