[sampvt]

Originally Posted by kistar

Great thread , you were just posing a question and starting a debate that's what it's all about isn't it?

Thanks Kistar, I was beginning to feel I was getting ganged up on there. lol.

[rayheartbliss]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Here we go, now this thread is disgusting is it. It seems ok to call Becky a fat bitch and a whale and its ok to call Ash a slag and a loose woman. Its even ok to call Connor a phyco and all manner of things, it even seems ok to berate and slag off all the housemates, but once someone even dares to question, yes question,(I never stated anything, I just asked for opionions) our little Lukes methods and palns for the future, my thread is disgusting.

I will tell you whats disgusting, the way some members think they can come on here and call other peoples threads disgusting. Thats disgusting and patronising. Luke deserves to be analised just like the others do. Ive never called him anything untoward or stated my opinions in a harsh way. I simply asked a question.

you are comparing Luke A's situation to the likes of conor and ashleigh thats completly a different level
and no i completely disagree with name calling becky a whale

as for conor and ashleigh! theirs is well deserved...and the level this topic is at (luke A's transition) is and will always be part of his entire life even after big brother.

and no you were not asking a question, although you've put it in that form
you are simpley trying to put in people's mind that he is using the fact that he is a transgender to win.

[hulakula]

Originally Posted by sampvt

TBH Naimh I dont want to get infracted for being out there against him, I simply cant see a great deal of commitment there. Maybe I am wrong but I was reading other posts on other sites and these other sites seem to be running with the idea that all is not clear and I wanted to see if we on here were any different. The problem is as I have stated, that as soon as his transgender is discussed, it creates a minefield of venom and nasty posts. That wasnt my aim.

In closing if you want my personal and unbiased opinion, I would venture to suggest that like people before him, nadia etc, he will still be the same person in many years to come. but thats my opinion based on the fact that I cant see in his eyes or actions that he is fully commited.

None of us are in any position to question his commitment to his gender assignment surgery . We don't know him. Medical professionals have determined that he is and that the hormone treatment and surgery are necessary, they are more informed than any of us. I don't understand why you feel the need to speculate.

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Thanks Kistar, I was beginning to feel I was getting ganged up on there. lol.

its better to get ganged up on than gangbanged lol well unless yr kinky

[hulakula]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Thanks Kistar, I was beginning to feel I was getting ganged up on there. lol.

We're not ganging up on you, just challenging your opinion.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Thanks Kistar, I was beginning to feel I was getting ganged up on there. lol.

Your welcome people just take things too seriously sometimes.xxxxxxxxxxx

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by hulakula

None of us are in any position to question his commitment to his gender assignment surgery . We don't know him. Medical professionals have determined that he is and that the hormone treatment and surgery are necessary, they are more informed than any of us. I don't understand why you feel the need to speculate.

Speculation is the bread and butter of a free serving discussion forum. Trying to supress someones ideas and opinions by calling them names and casting aspertions of doubt on the posters methodology is called bullying.

[rachelricci]

why is it when ever i see your name, you allways seem to be doubting trans folk sampvt, anyway as others have said we are only seeing small parts of a much longer convosation, and to clear some things up, some trans men and women do not get the op, for many reasons, it could be medical, personal or even money issues.
from what i have seen, he wants the op and its not unusal for trans people to not know EVERY LITTLE THING about the op as for some its hurts to think about as they cannot have it now/cannot afford it. also as said in this bored you do get told not to get ahead of yourself. i can say now as a MTF i dont know everything about the op...there is so many diffrent ways now diffrent surgons have diffrent methods. so to not know everything about it before you have to make the desision and have to money do to so is not unusal. and in my oppinion it isnt a scam, or gameplaying and i have never heard him say he was going to spend the money on that.

[rayheartbliss]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Speculation is the bread and butter of a free serving discussion forum. Trying to supress someones ideas and opinions by calling them names and casting aspertions of doubt on the posters methodology is called bullying.

is this serious?

[kistar]

Originally Posted by hulakula

We're not ganging up on you, just challenging your opinion.

They said his thread was disgusting , it's not disgusting it's a source of forum discussion like you say .

[kistar]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Speculation is the bread and butter of a free serving discussion forum. Trying to supress someones ideas and opinions by calling them names and casting aspertions of doubt on the posters methodology is called bullying.

Exactly

[hulakula]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Speculation is the bread and butter of a free serving discussion forum. Trying to supress someones ideas and opinions by calling them names and casting aspertions of doubt on the posters methodology is called bullying.

Your speculations appear to be based on nothing but prejudice. You're not providing any solid evidence to support your ideas. You seem fixated on the idea that Luke isn't commuted gender reassignment based on on concrete evidence.

[Jayson]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Speculation is the bread and butter of a free serving discussion forum. Trying to supress someones ideas and opinions by calling them names and casting aspertions of doubt on the posters methodology is called bullying.

Everyone's ideas will be met with equal opposition. That is the bread and butter of a free serving discussion forum.

[rachelricci]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Speculation is the bread and butter of a free serving discussion forum. Trying to supress someones ideas and opinions by calling them names and casting aspertions of doubt on the posters methodology is called bullying.

ok. every time ive seen you, you have been commenting harsh trans based comments, i am now going to speculate that you are prejudist does that sound ok

p.s sorry about mah spelling

[rayheartbliss]

just read the title of the thread.

is that a speculation or manipulation?

you have almost stated you're opinion in the form of a question

hell, you didnt even bother putting a question mark to what you claim to be a question

[kistar]

Originally Posted by rachelricci

why is it when ever i see your name, you allways seem to be doubting trans folk sampvt, anyway as others have said we are only seeing small parts of a much longer convosation, and to clear some things up, some trans men and women do not get the op, for many reasons, it could be medical, personal or even money issues.
from what i have seen, he wants the op and its not unusal for trans people to not know EVERY LITTLE THING about the op as for some its hurts to think about as they cannot have it now/cannot afford it. also as said in this bored you do get told not to get ahead of yourself. i can say now as a MTF i dont know everything about the op...there is so many diffrent ways now diffrent surgons have diffrent methods. so to not know everything about it before you have to make the desision and have to money do to so is not unusal. and in my oppinion it isnt a scam, or gameplaying and i have never heard him say he was going to spend the money on that.

The thing is no one is saying they have a problem with a guy who was a girl that wasn't the question, I hope Luke A has a happy life with his wife etc etc etc sampvt was just posing a question he wasn't saying he was for or against a human being making a choice in life.

[Gizmo]

Originally Posted by Jayson

Everyone's ideas will be met with equal opposition. That is the bread and butter of a free serving discussion forum.

Relativism is rife on forums. Posters who have more expertise aren't perceived as more informed, whatever their background or qualifications. That's the essence of modern society anyway whether you agree with it or not. Ignorance is tolerated and remains unchallenged.

[rachelricci]

Originally Posted by kistar

The thing is no one is saying they have a problem with a guy who was a girl that wasn't the question, I hope Luke A has a happy life with his wife etc etc etc sampvt was just posing a question he wasn't saying he was for or against a human being making a choice in life.

the thing is he has int he past...even saying luke should be called "she"
the only times ive sene him comment is agesnt luke and being trans is all ways involed

[kistar]

Originally Posted by smeagol

its better to get ganged up on than gangbanged lol well unless yr kinky

Smeagol you are funny

[Petershaw1984]

I hope its not cos he seems a decent lad

[kistar]

Originally Posted by rachelricci

the thing is he has int he past...even saying luke should be called "she"
the only times ive sene him comment is agesnt luke and being trans is all ways involed

Ok I hear what you are saying maybe I missed those posts, though sometimes questions can seem to be statements and the posts I have seen are from an intelligent person who wouldn't discriminate.

[Gillian-73]

Originally Posted by sampvt

After sitting and listening to him going on about gender re asignment the other night, he only spoke about the physical changes with the op. He made it all sound very mechanical and from what I know about this op, as someone with less than an interest than he has, he came accross very unconvincing.

He never covered the phyciatric evaluation, the steps, the waiting time, the experiences of others etc etc. In fact the knowledge he imparted was quite general and vague. I was expecting him to firstly know a bit more but at the same time I also missed the empathy one would expect to hear for one so desparate to get this op over and done with, he just didnt seem that bothered, in fact at one point he did mention some trans genders never have the op, I found that confusing.

We don't know the full extent of the conversation we get an edited version so we can't make judgements like that. I can't or won't anyway!

[rayheartbliss]

Originally Posted by sampvt

He didnt seem all that knowledgable about what needed to be done to complete his gender re asignment. Its been noted on other forums that his gameplan might be the biggest BB has ever seen. I know its getting tough to win BB after Aaron re wrote the book but this could be too hard to swallow.

read the last part of his post

somebody tell me that isnt manipulating/patronising people againts luke A....

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by rayheartbliss

read the last part of his post

somebody tell me that isnt manipulating/patronising people againts luke A....

Rayheartbliss. Ok matey you win, you have bullied me into submission. I wont post anything again, will that make you happy. Im sick of you guys doing a hatchet job on my ideas and persona.

I will slink away a broken man to allow you lads to assasinate someone elses ideas that you dont agree with.

[rayheartbliss]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Rayheartbliss. Ok matey you win, you have bullied me into submission. I wont post anything again, will that make you happy. Im sick of you guys doing a hatchet job on my ideas and persona.

I will slink away a broken man to allow you lads to assasinate someone elses ideas that you dont agree with.

no people just saw you're true intention for this thread.