[waterhog]

cop killer - should we arm every police officer - poem ? 19.09.12

this man has issues,
it will be made into a thriller,
while already being investigated,
the switch made him a cop killer.
is it as bad as it looks,
or is the press full of hype,
was this premeditated,
were the officers lured for the snipe.
a fugitive on the run,
dose the plan make him a boffin,
i admit the 2 officers were young,
if they were older and experienced, would it be the coffin.
is he sick,
or dose he have a chip on his shoulder,
all will be revealed,
when we look into his history folder.
the gun debate will run,
purely because 2 have been harmed,
lots will want change,
and will call for all officers to be armed.
this is a one off,
but guns will now focal,
do you think all officers should be armed,
my views are "no" and i am being vocal.



( i put this poem together on hearing about the 2 lady officers in the news at present.
just wondered what every one else s views are on arming the all police ?)

[arista]

No

He used a Grenade as well.

The Error was sending two Women

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by arista

No

He used a Grenade as well.

The Error was sending two Women

thats just being silly two male policemen would of faced the same fate!

[Shaun]

oh arista f/

[Kizzy]

No, as tragic as that was one crazy person is not an excuse to create a malitia.

[joeysteele]

No, definitely not in my view, that would be a bad move.

[Marcus.]

no

[Livia]

More coppers than you realise are armed already, which is a shame; they are not supposed to be a a militia, but society is forcing their hand. Tragically, we had the usual knee-jerk reaction after Dunblane and guns were banned so that even our Olympic shooting team had to train abroad. However, criminals seem to have no problem getting guns. So... proper sportsman are not allowed firearms and the only two sections of society in possession of guns is the police and the criminals. If you're going to have guns banned, it's got to be a proper ban. If you're found to be in possession of a firearm, life imprisonment, no parole.

[AnnieK]

No, arming officers will just encourage more criminals to have more guns etc themselves...

Very sad day here in Manchester....many more questions need anwering like why he was on bail in the first place etc but even armed I don't think the officers stood a chance as they were ambushed....

RIP

[Kizzy]

The police do not want to be armed either, but I can sympathise with the relatives of police officers who have been shot for their views.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...3DJack%2BDoyle

[Cherie]

There are situations where a firearm might pose as a deterrent ...ie in last years riots, but in this case the police officers were ambushed so even if they were armed I doubt they would have had time to use them, and as for sending two women ..., the outcome with two male officers would have been exactly the same. What got me was the woman who was interviewed in the news last night who said she wouldnt let her son play out as residents were aware Creegan was living locally... wanted man ...50,000 reward and nobody even anonymously reported him....

[fruit_cake]

perhaps arming the police might mean more illegal guns get into circulation, seems to me it could be a bit of a Pandora's Box situation

[lostalex]

I think the UK should arm cops. It wouldn't make it like the USA which i know everyone here is scared of.

Canada and Australia arm their cops, and they don't have the gun problems that the USA has.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

More coppers than you realise are armed already, which is a shame; they are not supposed to be a a militia, but society is forcing their hand. Tragically, we had the usual knee-jerk reaction after Dunblane and guns were banned so that even our Olympic shooting team had to train abroad. However, criminals seem to have no problem getting guns. So... proper sportsman are not allowed firearms and the only two sections of society in possession of guns is the police and the criminals. If you're going to have guns banned, it's got to be a proper ban. If you're found to be in possession of a firearm, life imprisonment, no parole.

there will always be ways to get guns or even make them!
people can turn a replica gun into a killing machine,
to lock some up for ever for carrying a gun when someone can torture, rape and kill a child and still get released is a silly idea in my opinion!
we need the whole of the justice system changed so that the punishment meets the crime!
if you set out to take another persons life then i think you should lose the right for yourself to live.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

there will always be ways to get guns or even make them!
people can turn a replica gun into a killing machine,
to lock some up for ever for carrying a gun when someone can torture, rape and kill a child and still get released is a silly idea in my opinion!
we need the whole of the justice system changed so that the punishment meets the crime!
if you set out to take another persons life then i think you should lose the right for yourself to live.

All you need to turn a replica gun into a firearm is a firing pin and a drill. I know that. Just because it's easy to do it shouldn't be accepted that it will be done.

I agree that the justice system is not hard enough to rapist and killers, sadly the woolly-thinkers start to worry about the rights of the criminal rather than the rights of the victim almost as soon as a crime's taken place... but really that's nt the issue here.

I think a zero tolerance with firearms that was actually carried out would be an effective deterrent against gun crime. Like I said before, you cannot legally own a handgun in the UK, so if you're not a copper or a soldier, there is only one reason you would have a handgun and that is to commit a crime. Bang 'em up, and you'd only have to do it to half a dozen to prove you were serious and gun crime would inevitably drop.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I think the UK should arm cops. It wouldn't make it like the USA which i know everyone here is scared of.

Canada and Australia arm their cops, and they don't have the gun problems that the USA has.

I think the difference here sadly is that the public do not respect our police any more, and the hands of the police have been bound with red tape by the liberal worriers.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by arista

No

He used a Grenade as well.

The Error was sending two Women

LMAO

I'm amazed you almost got away with this comment. To think, you saw this story and one of the the first things you thought was that if they'd have sent blokes they'd have survived. Do you think the men are better trained than the women or something? Amazing.

Anyway, on topic, I think they should arm police for situations like this where they are going into a property without knowing what's inside but not for the everyday beat copper.

[Scarlett.]

Arm the police, the criminals will only arm themselves, but with bigger guns.

Guns arent really an issue in the UK, there's no need for police to have them.

[Locke.]

Every policeman/woman that is on the streets should be armed.

[arista]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

LMAO I'm amazed you almost got away with this comment. To think, you saw this story and one of the the first things you thought was that if they'd have sent blokes they'd have survived. Do you think the men are better trained than the women or something? Amazing. Anyway, on topic, I think they should arm police for situations like this where they are going into a property without knowing what's inside but not for the everyday beat copper.

On the Army Fighting Frontline - No women.

Men was what he wanted to kill, I think.
He was fully armed so
two male coppers would have died - Unless they were the Armed crew.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Every policeman/woman that is on the streets should be armed.

No
this is not America.



Ch4News said yesterday
"should the Police be on Higher Alert?
as they knew he was around.

[Mystic Mock]

Yes but I would only allow them to pull the gun out if the other person has a weapon aswell.

Also I would not then have the civilians getting hold of them aswell.

[Omah]

No

[Omah]

Originally Posted by anniek76

No, arming officers will just encourage more criminals to have more guns etc themselves...

Originally Posted by kizzy

The police do not want to be armed either

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

perhaps arming the police might mean more illegal guns get into circulation

Yeah, once firearms are issued to "bobbies", the latter will become targets for every "two-bit hoodlum" who wants a rep and a handgun .....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think a zero tolerance with firearms that was actually carried out would be an effective deterrent against gun crime. Like I said before, you cannot legally own a handgun in the UK, so if you're not a copper or a soldier, there is only one reason you would have a handgun and that is to commit a crime. Bang 'em up, and you'd only have to do it to half a dozen to prove you were serious and gun crime would inevitably drop.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/YoungPeo...me/DG_10027654

What counts as gun crime?

Gun crime includes any crime that involves the use of a gun or firearm. This includes:
•a murder where the victim was shot
•any situation where a gun was fired, whether anyone was injured or not
•a robbery or burglary where the thieves carried a gun as a weapon
•intimidating people with a firearm
•carrying a gun that is banned, like a handgun
•carrying or using an imitation gun


Is there really a gun problem in the UK?

Incidents involving guns make up less than one per cent of the total number of crimes committed in the UK every year.

What is worrying is the relatively large number of young people who say they carry real or fake handguns to protect themselves. In fact you’re more likely to be a victim of gun crime if you carry a gun yourself.


Gun laws

To tackle gun crime, sentences for people convicted of crimes involving a gun have been made a lot tougher.

Anyone who is found guilty of possessing an illegal firearm faces a minimum sentence of five years. Also, you now have to be at least 17 years old before you can possess an air rifle.

It’s also now illegal to sell realistic imitation guns, even if they can’t be turned into weapons that fire real ammunition.

That's a lot tougher than the firearms case I dealt with as a juror some years ago - the defendant in that case got 2.5 years for firing an imitation handgun at his wife.