[the truth]

very odd question time

the audience were mostly yanks, jerry springer seemed to be running the show, then he and milibland became clairvoyants and started predicting the future....milibland thinks most nations will hand over much of their sovereignty to a centralised regional body to make that regional have a voice on the world stage

so north america , south america, europe, asia, australasia, africa etc will see the nations in their continents merge to have 1 voice

springer on the other hand predicted china would break into several smaller nations, that the whole world would get more global and inter-dependant and nationality would disappear?

I think milibland is talking utter rubbish. unaccountable phenomenally expensive superstates like europe , will always fail. their 587 page constitution is an utter disgarce that no one will ever fully read....theyre doing the opposite of what theyre meant to do, i.e. reduce red tape, make trading easier, help stave off fiscal collapse, offer stability, improve economies etc

unemployment, debt, growth are the worst ever. 55% of greeces under 25s are unemployed...total unemplyment is 25% debts are unpayable, our debts are $9 trillion (internal and external debt total) the european union doesnt even produce a budget...there is zero healthy political debate. its all done through the back door, it produces no stability, just debt, bankruptcy and riots which will worsen. it shouldnt exist at all, period. so miliblands bleak vision is garbage.

springers is more accurate. but exaggerated.nationality will always matter. but it will be less divisive if we allow the smaller competitive free market to flourish. the internet will wipe out the high street. everyone will become a small business man or woman and everyone will become more knowledgable. empires will keep falling. but nations will survive as theyr not built on profit, theyre built on ancient history, values, religion, culture, non religion, the blood of your forefathers, that counts. the only area i see the corporates controlling is the utilities, why the hell do we allow them to own our utilities? its mental. they willnever upgrade the system, theyll push up prices and as with all monopolies they will get fat greedy lazy and complacent. we must fight that one issue worldwide

[lostalex]

If anyone ever tries and succeeds in creating a "one world" global state, I would happily become a terrorist. You could say the UN is trying to do that, but we all know the UN is pathetic, so it's not really a worry.

I can't stand people that say "we are all the same", "one world, one love" and all of that other BS. No we arn't. We are all very very different. get over it, accept it. There's nothing wrong with being different.

[lostalex]

I just watched QT, and it was interesting. The level of brainwashing and ignorance of that audience was quite astounding.

Really good guests though. Definitely the best episode of the season so far.

(David Miliband is still really freakin HOT!)

[Benjamin]

I tend to share a similar view to Springers in regard to China breaking up into smaller nations, but it won't be anytime soon.

However, one nation? Not a chance will that ever happen. That is one of the most ridiculous and farfetched notions I have heard in a long time. Too many countries would have too much to lose by that happening. There is more chance of Liechtenstein being the most dominant and strongest country in the world than that.

[SharkAttack]

One nation called Earth. I like it. But on a more serious note, it will take 1000s of years before it reaches the point of having something significantly unified. On a fun note, it would take an alien civilization, threatening our existence here, to boost that hope.

Speaking of hope and unified, I was *hoping* that the UK would try to sail their lands over to connect with New England. That would be cool. And yes, we could all be roomies.

[SharkAttack]

And nice hair Turtle, that's a very powerful coif.

[Kizzy]

I missed question time, I am becoming very wary of our government lately...
Gradually over time it is becoming more corrupt.
The international arms dealer arrested recently, did anyone pick up on where he got his stock? The guns had been produced for the British Police in 2007..
Why de-regulate the banks?
Why allow us to be screwed by our energy providers whilst reducing the feed in tariff by law, who did that benefit?
Outsourcing public services, privatization, leading to a low paid low skilled workforce as wages are driven down.
The attitudes projected via the media towards disadvantaged youth, those on welfare, our elderly and the disabled.

[the truth]

he didnt actually say one nation , but milibland did suggest in a round about way , it would be 1 council for each continent. so that would mean 5 people and the american president to run the world. or more realistically to serve the corporates. frightening.

I think the corporations will use global warming and climate change WHICH ARE 100% REAL. PART OF THE FORMATION OF STORM SANDY WAS DOWN TO THE ICE CAPS MELTING, THATS A SCIENTIFIC FACT.....They will use it to squeeze more profit and more control and their one world vision, right until the end of the world. They know no other way than to salvishly follow the profit dogma even when it results in the destruction of our planet

[Kizzy]

Like a new world order kinda?....

[Niall]

I don't think the idea of a one world government is anything that will ever come into being in the sense that it replaces all other states. As others have said in here, the national identities and individuality of the world's nations are too strong for that. Maybe a stronger, more powerful version of the United Nations will arise. That's the only thing I can see happening really.

However, the idea that regions of the world may converge into one nation is something entirely feasible to me, maybe not now, but in the future certainly. Europe will probably wind up becoming some sort of Federative nation far off in the future. I mean look at it now: with a constitution, single currency, parliament, and president it's already a semi-state in many ways. I can easily see that union getting tighter to become a formal nation.

I don't really see that for the rest of the world though. China will probably break up as others have said. The rich/poor gap is too great and the communist party can't censor the public forever. Democracy will happen there someday. It's not really a question of 'if' in my opinion, but 'when'.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niall

I don't think the idea of a one world government is anything that will ever come into being in the sense that it replaces all other states. As others have said in here, the national identities and individuality of the world's nations are too strong for that. Maybe a stronger, more powerful version of the United Nations will arise. That's the only thing I can see happening really.

However, the idea that regions of the world may converge into one nation is something entirely feasible to me, maybe not now, but in the future certainly. Europe will probably wind up becoming some sort of Federative nation far off in the future. I mean look at it now: with a constitution, single currency, parliament, and president it's already a semi-state in many ways. I can easily see that union getting tighter to become a formal nation.

I don't really see that for the rest of the world though. China will probably break up as others have said. The rich/poor gap is too great and the communist party can't censor the public forever. Democracy will happen there someday. It's not really a question of 'if' in my opinion, but 'when'.

the european super state will fail completely and utterly, whereas the usa will always survive...why? because they built it from the grass roots up , with a brilliant but simple constitution....the euro state is all top down, cartels and quangos, the constitution is a sick joke that simply cannot be implemented and cannot be afforded....its also about 1000 years too late

the whole project should be scrapped, the parliament dismantled.
then go back to the simple ideas 50 years ago to allow greater free trade.

[BBfanUSA]

I don't see a world nation happening.

At this rate I won't be surprised if China starts to split up (Which I didn't know about til now) or (I dunno if this was mentioned in it) a few states suceed from the Union.

I'm serious about the second statement. The party lines have become so deep here in the states. I won't be surprised if a state suceeds from the Union because Obama is reelected. But I don't see it happening

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by big brother usa fan

I don't see a world nation happening.

At this rate I won't be surprised if China starts to split up (Which I didn't know about til now) or (I dunno if this was mentioned in it) a few states suceed from the Union.

I'm serious about the second statement. The party lines have become so deep here in the states. I won't be surprised if a state suceeds from the Union because Obama is reelected. But I don't see it happening

I doubt anything will change dramatically in our lifetime in North America. There are paranoid people on both sides, some saying that North America will become like the EU, and Canada and Mexico will become part of a United States of North America, and we'll have the "Amero" currency, while the other side says the US will break up into smaller regional nations. Personally i don't think eigther scenario is likely, certainly not in the next 50 years at least.

I think one of the reasons North America works well as a continent is because change is VERY slow. It's one of the best things about the system in America is that it's almost impossible to make HUGE changes all at once because no branch of government has too much power. Probably the 2 strongest non-government organizations in the USA recently were the Tea Party and the Occupy Movement, and both fizzled out rather quickly.

[the truth]

The tea party is still powerful, because the majority do not seem to engage their brains and think issues through beyond mindless slogans.....Do any of them actually consider the 50 million uninsured? the fact a man who had a heart attack 2 years ago, was charged $56,000 for 36 hours in hospital, then told 6 months later he had cancer and the treatment would cost him $110,000? his home meanwhile is only worth $130,000 in the crash? so even if he soldhis home, he still couldntafford to treat his cancer? that one example alone is reason enough to demand the poorest get health cover. otherwise that is simply not a society that is civilised or respected.

[Kizzy]

Obama is slowly starting to pull America around economically.
Attacking Romneys attitude to tax evasion could swing it for him.
There are some spooky similarities between US and UK there.
Could we trust our intellectual opposition leader Milliband to do the same with the big business evaders?

[BBfanUSA]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Obama is slowly starting to pull America around economically.
Attacking Romneys attitude to tax evasion could swing it for him.
There are some spooky similarities between US and UK there.
Could we trust our intellectual opposition leader Milliband to do the same with the big business evaders?

Biased Democratic Media is doing it for him. Just like Fox News is attacking Obama for not being a Natural-Born (Be born on American Territory, includes VI and Puerto Rico) Citizen which is a requirement to become the president.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by big brother usa fan

Biased Democratic Media is doing it for him. Just like Fox News is attacking Obama for not being a Natural-Born (Be born on American Territory, includes VI and Puerto Rico) Citizen which is a requirement to become the president.

they asked obama why does trump hate him? obama said , oh its all about when we grew up together in kenya, hes always had it in for me since then lol

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Obama is slowly starting to pull America around economically.
Attacking Romneys attitude to tax evasion could swing it for him.
There are some spooky similarities between US and UK there.
Could we trust our intellectual opposition leader Milliband to do the same with the big business evaders?

Obama is doing a magnificent job imho, in fact hes too humble about it and should be shouting about his achievements from the rooftops, to push through healthcare when yourenation is 11 trillion in debt is either foolish or phenomenally brave, I say itsphenomenally brave...This is a man who SINCERELY cares about the america of the future...a true patriot Cameron is not doing much at all, but hes still probably a better leader than tony bliar

[BBfanUSA]

Originally Posted by the truth

Obama is doing a magnificent job imho, in fact hes too humble about it and should be shouting about his achievements from the rooftops, to push through healthcare when yourenation is 11 trillion in debt is either foolish or phenomenally brave, I say itsphenomenally brave...This is a man who SINCERELY cares about the america of the future...a true patriot Cameron is not doing much at all, but hes still probably a better leader than tony bliar

Because if he does he'll actually LOSE the election. The Debt Problem is a big situation here in America.

Despite this election seemingly going to Obama so far according to polls. I am nervous because I am voting for Obama. I think Mitt is too much of a AHole to other nations that he might start a third war. People are too worried about the debt problem. Personally I think we should raise taxes on everyone (Which should've been done as soon as we went to war with AlQaida and Hussein).

If it was someone like Ron Paul, then yes I would vote for that person. I kinda think that the media, both sides like FOX News and CNN, Would hate him because there would be nothing they can criticize him for without losing a TON of viewers.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by big brother usa fan

Because if he does he'll actually LOSE the election. The Debt Problem is a big situation here in America.

Despite this election seemingly going to Obama so far according to polls. I am nervous because I am voting for Obama. I think Mitt is too much of a AHole to other nations that he might start a third war. People are too worried about the debt problem. Personally I think we should raise taxes on everyone (Which should've been done as soon as we went to war with AlQaida and Hussein).

If it was someone like Ron Paul, then yes I would vote for that person. I kinda think that the media, both sides like FOX News and CNN, Would hate him because there would be nothing they can criticize him for without losing a TON of viewers.

Obama and all his advisers know all about the debt and theyve taken long term action to fix it, not short term sticking platsers.... The fact is the usa gdp is just over $15 trillion and their debt is $16 trillion....the gdp has grown faster than all european nations, so the economy is growing. this means more money and more money to be collected in taxes even at a lower rate. obama has gone through it all with a toothpick...hes lowered taxes on small to medium businesses, and the middle income earners, hes raised them on those baove $250,000 income...hes tightened all regulations on corporations and fines them billions and also got all the bank loans repaid

He is rightly growing his wya out of debt, but the future....2 trillion dollars less on military spending....abolishing the european wide nuclear missile defence system, scrapping 33% of the USAs nuclear missiles (this will take years), avoiding endless unnecssary wars as much as possible (unlike bush with his war mongering idiotic rhetoric deliberately stoking up hate and wars)...The economic growth is up, retail sales are up, industrial job creation is up......obama is also pushing through bills to reward american companies who keep more jobs in america....this bill can act as a blue print for all western democracies including the UK. Tighter regulations on the chinese, more tariffs and more fines when they do not conform to worldwide trading policies....all of this makes jobs, raises money for the government and goes towards debt repayment.


on top of all this america will have 50 million healthier people. can you imagine how much 50 million healthier people can strengthen that great nation?

The american dream can live on, the dream doesnt have to rely on the sick and poor dying in shacks, everyone can live the american dream. anyone can achieve anything, great men and women are rightly rewarded, inventors and scientists and entrepreneurs get support and backing and tax breaks on the way up....america doesnt need 24 hour war to prove its the greatest nation, stronger communities, stronger families, small to medium business growth, dynamic innovation, hard work and ingenuity all together make up the fabric of this great nation and make them such a powerhouse.

The debt will fall if he gets a second term, he is a responsible citizen, so he will do so responsibly. he wont sacrifice millions of sick , poor people to do so. No those days are gone. he will do so with a grounded set of laws, regulations, tax breaks for the right people, healthcare for the masses and support for the true ground breaking innovators. the european recovery will also aid him as his exports are enormous in europe.

a nation of strong values, a genius constitution and declaration of independence (written ironically by disillusioned british pilgrim fathers most from scotland and wales) a true land of the free, home of the brave, by the people and for the people, the dream lives on!

[BBfanUSA]

I agree. The republicans are lying partially, but so are the dems. I don't know which ads are telling the truth and which are not.

Just recently Unemployment went under 8%. I do agree that Obama isn't the best president and he hasn't fulfilled all his promises. but it's 50 years usually until we figure out if a president is good or not IMO he's average because he has broken some promises like the US military being able to detain citizens abroad he said that he wouldn't sign it. But he did (Because it was the only way something else could be signed into law)

Personally I dunno why we're putting the blame on the president, I would also like to blame Congress. They're as much at fault as the president.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by big brother usa fan

I agree. The republicans are lying partially, but so are the dems. I don't know which ads are telling the truth and which are not.

Just recently Unemployment went under 8%. I do agree that Obama isn't the best president and he hasn't fulfilled all his promises. but it's 50 years usually until we figure out if a president is good or not IMO he's average because he has broken some promises like the US military being able to detain citizens abroad he said that he wouldn't sign it. But he did (Because it was the only way something else could be signed into law)

Personally I dunno why we're putting the blame on the president, I would also like to blame Congress. They're as much at fault as the president.

Congress is infinitely more at fault than obama , thats for sure. obama has stated clearly his values, his judgements, his beliefs and the thought processes that lead him to his conclusions. the man makes sense. the biggest criticisms against him are 1) the debt 2) guatanamo bay 3) 7.9% unemployment

1) the debt hes decided not to go with mass austerity but play the long game. improve the economy, heal the sick, regulate everything properly and fine the corrupt corporates billions, slash the military, reduce conflicts, also reduced vastly the needless number of excess state burocratic jobs, target the chinese, grow the economy. the debt reduction will come next, with greater tax revenues from the greater gdp and growth and cuts

2) For starters stories of torture seem to have disappeared in the past 4 years, lets hope this means its not happenning, rather than being covered up. Its hard to unscramble scrambled eggs. This is what gitmo has become. a legal mess. Where does he send these men now? He has reduced inmates hugely, I believe the figure of detainees is more than halved to 167 left (with 50 to 60 clearer for release but awaiting reptatriation) from when he arrived. Congress opposed it every step of the way, as did human rightslawyers. Obama had to compromise on this issue, but will close it down totally next term if he gets it.

3) jobs growth has been steady and consistent for every month for the past 3 years. the rate is down from the 10.5% he inherited in the middle of the biggest crash since the 1930's....This is steady consistent growth in the face of worldwide recession, total collapse of the property and banking sector amidst 2 major wars too and a spiralling debt of over $11 trillion (with trillions more needed to fund the banks, the industries, the property market,the military and healthcare.) this growth looks steady and realistic, its not the boom and bust bubble of the previous decade