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Quand il pleut, il pleut
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So Richard III’s body has (possibly) been found, and while he had scoliosis (a curvature of the spine), “the skeleton was not a hunchback". In your face, Tudor propaganda machine!
Well, perhaps it's him, and it's exciting news. The last Plantagenet still rather fascinates the public; the last English king to die in battle, he was one of Shakespeare’s greatest monsters – but there have always been questions about how bad he actually was. On the one hand he was cast by the Tudors as being a usurper, but, worse still, the killer of his two young nephews. (It is striking how, even in eras when violence was widespread, the murder of children still holds a particular horror. In the story of the last days of the Third Reich, as shown in Downfall and The Bunker, the Goebbels’ murders of their six children are still the most shocking scenes.) But no one has ever successfully identified the bodies of the Princes in the Tower and many believe that Henry VII killed them. Certainly Henry and his son had no qualms about bumping off various relatives, the finale to a century and a half of fratricidal strife, although they tended to be adults. And Henry Tudor certainly gave the impression of believing young Edward and Richard to be dead http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ed...burial-london/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9...back-king.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9...ved-spine.html |
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You were there the first time around.
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..yeah, which is why I know it's not him you cheeky monkey...(doesn't really know..might be him)...I think it's probably Quasimodo...the Disney version....
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Remembering Kerry
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I have read a lot of books on Richard 111 Ammi, somehow my own view is that he wasn't in any way the monster he was portrayed to be, of course not being there and seeing for yourself it is hard to form opinions that have any binding.
For me though, I think the Tudors were in the main part ruthless liars and as to the Princes in the Tower, I feel at that time and the uncertain time it was, that Richard 111 had little to gain,if anything at all even, from killing them, they were after all heirs to his line should anything happen to him. Henry V11 however would need them dead to be sure of security once he had got the throne so for me, I now hold the view he is very likely the architect of their deaths not Richard. I hope if they conclude that these are in fact his bones that they eventually get the burial that most Monarchs have been accorded. |
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..I totally agree with that Joey...that's my view as well.... |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-21063882
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So someone had a Richard the 3rd in a Leicester car park. Hardly news.
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No its now on Every Hour news They built a car park on a Important Leader, Shocking. ![]() Last edited by arista; 04-02-2013 at 11:31 AM. |
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If they'd have known, then I doubt they'd have purposefully done that. Loads of important historical figures are buried in obscure places.
Nobody knows where Tom Paines body is, and he's far more recent and inspirational. |
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I found him.
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![]() [The Battle of Bosworth: Richard, pictured on the white horse, was killed in battle more than 500 years ago at Bosworth field, in a battle which marked the end of his line and the rise of the Tudors] well before SkyNewsHD |
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Remembering Kerry
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I am so pleased that he will now get the decent resting place he should have had.
For me,he is a Monarch likely greatly misrepresented in history. Henry V11 has a massively personally glorified tomb where his bones lie,for me Richard 111 warranted that more than he likely ever did. |
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Absolutely amazing discovery, Richard III has had a hard time in history and is underrated tbh just as Mary I has been, considering Elizabeth burnt a lot of people too. Anyway for a historic lover like me who studies it at A level this really is fantastic and I still believe Henry vii killed the princes I wonder if they will ever be found since the last bones found were proven not to be them
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Sod orf
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Good old Richard the hundred and eleventh
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Yes Hell of a guy |
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Remembering Kerry
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I also agree that it was more likely henry Tudor who murdered the Princes, not Richard. They were by far a greater threat to Henry than Richard. |
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Bring him home to York and bury him in York minister.
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xo
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A Special Tonight on Ch4 9PM
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I'll be able to sleep better tonight.
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that a cool find
heard it on the radio |
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xo
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How people can not be fascinated by history i'll never know
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I find this story so interesting,so much can be learnt from our history now,and now at least he will be interred in a fitting place.
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Quand il pleut, il pleut
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