[Sticks]

My expectation is that she will be executed, so Bali can show they do not give in to pressure from former colonial powers trying to meddle in their own sovereign judicial affairs.

I think old white women are better than black teenagers. There, I've said it. Happy now?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I think old white women are better than black teenagers. There, I've said it. Happy now?

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Yes I agree it has provided a bit more flesh on the debate and tried to provide some background context. I liked a post earlier from Jesus H Christ who said that if the death penalty worked as a deterrent against drug smugglers then no more drugs would have been smuggled after the first or the first few smugglers were executed. But this never happened and drug smuggling still goes on undeterred. Drug smugglers are usually desperate people carrying out this crime for a variety of reasons, some are in terrible debt some are blackmailed or threatened to carry out the offence. Having a one punishment fits all policy and making that punishment a mandatory death sentence is obsence and barbaric and has no place in the modern world.

It is wrong plain and simple and the Govts in these countries should have the full pressure of the international community brought to bear in an attempt to end this medieval practice ...!!

The force is strong with this one.

[MeMyselfAndI]

I feel sorry for the people there, having to live in such a ****ed up country.

[Ammi]

Bali Court Upholds Briton's Death Penalty




A British grandmother sentenced to death in Bali for trafficking cocaine has lost her appeal.

Lindsay Sandiford, 56, was sentenced to capital punishment in January for taking almost 5kg (10.6lb) of cocaine onto the island.

She launched an appeal but on Monday the Bali High Court ruled the original punishments was "accurate and correct" and confirmed it.

Sandiford, from Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, has 14 days to appeal to the Supreme Court.

If the Supreme Court also rejects her plea, she can seek a judicial review of the decision from the same court.

After that, only the president can grant her a reprieve.

The sentence would see her shot by a firing squad.

Sandiford was arrested in May 2012 at Bali airport when customs officers found the drugs, worth Ł1.6m, in her luggage.

She said she had been forced to smuggle the drugs into Bali from Thailand by a criminal gang and that the safety of her children was at risk.

She has cooperated with the police and local authorities, which has led to other arrests.

January's death sentence came as a shock because prosecutors had recommended a 15-year jail term.

Sandiford's lawyer has said the punishment is out of proportion, given she has admitted her crime, expressed regret and helped police in the investigation.

But the court ruled she had damaged Indonesia's hard-line stance on drugs as well as Bali's reputation as a tourism destination.

Three other Britons arrested in connection with the case received lighter sentences.

Julian Ponder was sentenced to six years in jail after being found guilty of possessing cocaine in his luxury Bali villa.

Rachel Dougall was sentenced to 12 months for failing to report Sandiford's crime, and Paul Beales received four years for possession of hashish but was cleared of drug trafficking.

Indonesia enforces stiff penalties for drug trafficking, but death penalty sentences are commonly commuted to long jail sentences.

[lostalex]

People forget how devastating the drug business is in 3rd world countries. It fuels gangs and mafia and all sorts of horrible much worse criminal activities than just the drugs. So it's understandable why 3rd world countries treat drugs crimes much more seriously than 1st world countries do. It's impossible for us to understand the much larger problems that the drug smuggling business creates in those countries.

I'm not saying that i support the death penalty in this particular case, i'm just saying it's hard for us to understand how HUGE a problem drug smuggling is in developing countries.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Sticks

My expectation is that she will be executed, so Bali can show they do not give in to pressure from former colonial powers trying to meddle in their own sovereign judicial affairs.

Maybe they could line her up with Amanda Knox and use just one bullet to kill them both...!!!

You are clearly mercifully free from the ravages of Compassion.....!!!!!!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

People forget how devastating the drug business is in 3rd world countries. It fuels gangs and mafia and all sorts of horrible much worse criminal activities than just the drugs. So it's understandable why 3rd world countries treat drugs crimes much more seriously than 1st world countries do. It's impossible for us to understand the much larger problems that the drug smuggling business creates in those countries.

I'm not saying that i support the death penalty in this particular case, i'm just saying it's hard for us to understand how HUGE a problem drug smuggling is in developing countries.

They don't forget, they just don't know they are ignorant to the facts.
I have sympathy for this lady and her family, it's a sad end to this appeal.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Maybe they could line her up with Amanda Knox and use just one bullet to kill them both...!!!

You are clearly mercifully free from the ravages of Compassion.....!!!!!!

I reserve my compassion for the victims of these criminals and the relative of those whose lives have been destroyed by their criminal activity.

I reserve my compassion for the elderly people, brutally mugged and left to die, so some junkie can get another fix for that day of the drugs, the likes of this woman has distributed.

[Nedusa]

Very touching but Compassion covers everybody, you probably know nothing of this woman's circumstances of how or why she is in the situation she is in. She may have been duped,threatened,blackmailed or framed.........

so where is your compassion for this woman, are you really happy to sit there in your self appointed role as Armchair Judge and let this woman be executed to satisfy your high handed uncaring uncompassionate sense of justice.

[Sticks]

Have you ever been mugged in the street and had an unknown substance sprayed in your face?

That happened to me in 1994

[lostalex]

Am I the only one that REALLY wants to hear the story behind being "sprayed with an unknown substance in my face in 1994" ?

Don't leave us hanging Sticks, tell us the story.

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally Posted by Sticks

When I was at university we heard the sad case of a 12 year old who died after taking one ecstasy tablet.

Drugs are not harmless

Those who gave that girl the tablet should have been done for murder

However, people seem to look over the fact that the actual cause of death was not purely from the tablet, but from the litres upon litres of water she consumed after taking the tablet, which resulted in her drowning her body. It was not just the drug that killed her. I bet they kept that secret hidden from you though.

I thought this woman should have been taken back here and dealt with here. A few people I know have been killed, one was hit by a train after being pushed on a train track just last week... I bet the men involved in that will get peanuts. And one 2 years ago, whilst under the influence of drugs ran over a friend of mine, he got 18 months... that's it. The laws in some countries compared to others are ridiculous.

No wonder there are more killings in the world, people feel they can get away with it more than drug smuggling.

I personally don't agree with the death penalty. If someone does that and kills someone (whether by electric chair or firing squad), it makes you as bad as the person... and in this case, makes you much worse than the person. Firing squad shooting dead vs. a smuggler. (I know which is worse!). I believe for evil people (murderers, rapists), they should not kill them, but put them in REAL prisons where there are no luxuries, they are fed disgusting foods, no bed and a hole in the ground the piss.