[arista]

Mr Jones said he did not believe he was homophobic


[The Tory MP, who voted against the Government's plans to introduce gay marriage in the Commons last week, made his remarks to ITV Wales's Face To Face programme.
Shadow Welsh secretary Owen Smith blasted the comments as evidence that the "nasty party is alive and well under David Cameron". ]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...en-safely.html



No its not the PM's view.
Jones MP is stuck in the past

[Niall]

What a horrible, horrible man. I'd like to know his reasons for his view. Maybe then we'll see who's homophobic.

(Although anything that gets the Conservatives negative publicity is a good thing however.)

[Black Dagger]

But teenagers can...

What a beastly creature.

[joeysteele]

He is entitled to his view,even though I think him completely wrong and disagree 100% with him.
His closed view of this issue, that is if he has been quoted correctly, leaves me with the thought that is also very worrying that he holds any Ministerial postion at all.

[AnnieK]

Since when did sexuality define the kind of environment that can be provided to children?? It was a ridiculous thing to say. Can a jobless teenager provide a safer environment, or a mother and father in a domestic violence situation etc..etc.. His reasoning is crazy...

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He is entitled to his view,even though I think him completely wrong and disagree 100% with him.
His closed view of this issue, that is if he has been quoted correctly, leaves me with the thought that is also very worrying that he holds any Ministerial postion at all.

Its taken from ITV Wales Face to Face prog
so only shown in wales.

[Amy Jade]

What an idiot, he is clearly out of touch and ignorant.

He is obviously homophobic to brand all gay coupled in such a way, there are good and bad parents everywhere, sexuality should not even be discussed when raising children.

[arista]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...elsh-secretary

Watch video of him on ITV Wales


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti..._campaign=1490
longer video clip on here Joey

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by anniek76

Since when did sexuality define the kind of environment that can be provided to children?? It was a ridiculous thing to say. Can a jobless teenager provide a safer environment, or a mother and father in a domestic violence situation etc..etc.. His reasoning is crazy...

What's so bad about jobless teenagers? It's impossible to defend one demographic by slighting another.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What's so bad about jobless teenagers? It's impossible to defend one demographic by slighting another.

I didn't intend to slight a demographic Kizzy, my question was can a jobless teenager provide a safer environment that a gay couple...the answer is one cannot say as it is down to the individual parenting skills so you cannot sweepingly say that gay couples can not provide a safe envirnoment.. I found it a ridiculous arguement and was trying to provide an analogy...

[lily.]

This lot seem to be doing okay..



Also, can I just point out that babies born for gay couples are never an 'accident', they're always wanted and planned.

Not that all unplanned babies are unwanted, but the way I figure it is that if someone goes to that much effort to plan a child, then they're ready for the responsibility of raising it.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by lily.

This lot seem to be doing okay..

Aw yep, I'd say they all look pretty happy and content and safe environment providers....

Do you think the dads all co-ordinated their tops and shades?

[lily.]

I think NPH and David tend to be stylish, but Elton just does his own thing. lol

[Withano]

I agree that it is harder for gay couples to create a safe environment, children would be born into a world where strangers instantly hate their parents. UK definitely isn't the most homophobic country but it is nowhere near the most accepting.
He never really goes onto say why he has these views in the video but if his reasons are 'narrow minded people like me will make it near enough impossible for you to create a safe environment' I can see his point..

[Shaun]

i'm sure there're strangers who hate him right now, maybe we should strip him of his right to parenthood

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Shaun

i'm sure there're strangers who hate him right now, maybe we should strip him of his right to parenthood

Would have been a good point if you reworded it, otherwise its just hypocritical

[Shaun]

I'm saying that it's not a good point at all, if we stripped people of their right to adopt because someone hates them.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I'm saying that it's not a good point at all, if we stripped people of their right to adopt because someone hates them.

Ahh, didn't read the sarcasm,
I think you're right without it though, this man is clearly a knob. And if he was saying all of this because the UK isn't a safe place for a gay family, I think the same could be said for hundreds of people and put his only argument to rest

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by anniek76

I didn't intend to slight a demographic Kizzy, my question was can a jobless teenager provide a safer environment that a gay couple...the answer is one cannot say as it is down to the individual parenting skills so you cannot sweepingly say that gay couples can not provide a safe envirnoment.. I found it a ridiculous arguement and was trying to provide an analogy...

''Can a jobless teenager provide a safer environment, or a mother and father in a domestic violence situation''

In this analogy one can and one can't.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

''Can a jobless teenager provide a safer environment, or a mother and father in a domestic violence situation''

In this analogy one can and one can't.

So you are saying categorically that a jobless teenager can provide a safer environment than a gay couple?

My point being that no one would come out and say a teeneager should not have the right to children but it's acceptable to say it about a gay couple?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by anniek76

So you are saying categorically that a jobless teenager can provide a safer environment than a gay couple?

My point being that no one would come out and say a teeneager should not have the right to children but it's acceptable to say it about a gay couple?

I'm not saying anything annie you are, are you saying catagorically that they can't?

Some might say that yes, and no it's not acceptable to say this about anyone. You should always judge everyone on their individual merits to avoid stereotyping.

[AnnieK]

No I have been very careful about saying nothing categorically.. I said "can" a jobless teenager etc...not that anyone could. I'm not being tetchy her Kizzy and apologise if it comes across that way but I spent many years in infertility clinics, having rounds of failed treatments and know the absolute heartbreak of being unable to have children and all that it entails and so I get very passionate about anyone who tries to say anyone should not have the right to children, particularly on the grounds of something like sexuality...I appreciate that is not what YOU are saying are by the way..

[Kizzy]

Ah, maybe our wires were crossed a little. It is very frustrating to see those who are parents and neither want nor care for their children when there are those like yourself and same sex couples with love to give annie.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah, maybe our wires were crossed a little. It is very frustrating to see those who are parents and neither want nor care for their children when there are those like yourself and same sex couples with love to give annie.

Yeah, I thought we were debating the same point .. Thanks Kizzy, it is very frustrating...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by anniek76

Yeah, I thought we were debating the same point .. Thanks Kizzy, it is very frustrating...

Yes, using teenage parents in the same sentence as abusive parents threw me a little as it gave a negative connotation.
but we managed to peice together what you meant like a jigsaw...now they are frustrating