[Jack_]

Youtube video

Let's hope this translates well into policies. The right sentiment is there

Originally Posted by Jack_

Youtube video

Let's hope this translates well into policies. The right sentiment is there

It is a good advert, and hopefully Maggies death, rather than promote the right, may actually wake people up to think about the 2 competing ideologies.

[Apple202]

ed milibands general face/voice is so funny

leader he is not

[joeysteele]

I do see Ed Miliband as a leader now actually,he still would not have been my choice had I been a member of the Labour party but for me now, he is the better of the 3 major leaders on offer at present.
I cannot trust or believe much of what David Cameron and Nick Clegg says now.

That is a good advert from Labour and I do think it is likely many are underestimating Ed Miliband and that he has probably got them on the right track.

[Livia]

Quite right they should be thinking about Britain's recovery, they're mostly responsible for the crisis. From that ad you'd think that they'd handed over the country in good shape...

Is this the same Ed Miliband who was appointed Chairman of HM Treasury's Council of Economic Advisers by Gordon Brown, before they were voted out leaving absolutely nothing in the coffers? The same man who's promising to bring in the 10p tax rate while keeping strangely quiet about the fact that it was Labour who abolished it? The same man who shafted his own brother to get his job? Frankly, he's a brilliant weapon in the Tory arsenal.

[joeysteele]

There were lots of factors as to how the UK was in a mess and to be fair not all Labours fault.
As with all Govts bad decisions in the past were made by them and certainly not enough done for many sections of society.
It is also true that Labour left a gap between rich and poor wider than when they came to power.

However, whatever Govt was in would not likely have seen the banking crash and global recession coming that was to hit most major Countries.
Labour had to do something and they chose building up the financial burden to the Country to avoid what had happened with previous Conservative Govts whereby unemployment was allowed to rise greatly as 'a price worth paying'.

It is true Labour left a massive financial burden,no one can argue with that.
However what they also left in May 2010 was the UK out of recession and a fragile recovery in place with growth slowly returning too.
The policies of this Govt took the UK back into a double dip recession and there recovery was lost, with growth now near non existent for this Govts. time in power from their figures stating from the 3rd quarter 2010.

Even now, there is looking over the shoulder worrying as to a possible triple dip recession, I don't think it will and hope also that will not happen.
However the argument by this Govt. for these savage cuts being started from their first year in power as absolutely necessary to firm up the recovery,restore growth and be able to deal with anything that may happen globally or in the Eurozone has been lost.

Those policies have had the opposite effect and near all assessments state from independent economists that most people in the UK will be worse off in 2015 than they were in 2010.

This Govt said these hard times had to be to ensure things got sorted by 2015.
Now the Govt itself has admitted it will be going to the Country in 2015 expecting to be given another 4 to 5 years to do the same to deal with the same crisis/issues.
That says to me failure on a pretty grand scale as to this Govt,in fact this Govt. is now the barrier to decent growth because of its policies and not because of what Labour left after having to deal with a global recession and banking crisis too.

That may be too simple a way to look at it, but this Govt said judge it on its success to protect the recovery that was in place when it took over, in cutting the deficit by near all it was by 2015 and finally restoring decent growth too.
This useless Chancellor has had to downgrade every forecast he has made since coming to power.

On all 3 points they have already failed, the recovery is still far from secure, the deficit at best is only down by a quarter to a third,growth is very thin on the ground if it can even be seen at all over these last 2 years.
Yet the same, rotten policies are continued and more policies of suffering put in place and planned to be piled on to people who can least afford to have it piled onto them in the first place.

That is not a Govt that inspires confidence, it is a Govt that appears incompetent and pitiful and the sooner it is put out of its misery the better, since it will not listen to all the voices telling it how wrong it is doing.

[reece(:]

I'd say the country is in much more of a recession than it was 5 years ago, inflation has happened massively and yet pay rise has only gone up a few measely pence.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by reece(:

I'd say the country is in much more of a recession than it was 5 years ago, inflation has happened massively and yet pay rise has only gone up a few measely pence.

Therein lies another issue, inflation has been higher over the last 2 years than the Govt or BofE wished it to be.
It is pushing the cost of living up all the time and as you say, wage rises are all generally below inflation which in effect means any rise turns into a cut in realityas to income.

Although inflation is not thankfully out of control it is high enough to,along with the other policies of the Govt, to be added to their list of failures since coming to power as to their policies and targets.

Certainly,I would agree the effects of the double dip recession home made by this Govts policies has shattered confidence probably more than the recession and crisis that hit in 2008.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by reece(:

I'd say the country is in much more of a recession than it was 5 years ago, inflation has happened massively and yet pay rise has only gone up a few measely pence.

I agree, and in addition to pay not increasing in real terms for a number of years, we have had to suffer almost intolerable rises in our Utility bills. Over 50% increase in Gas, Elect bills in the last 5 years plus year on year increases in petrol/ diesel as well.

These increases are not justifiable but are as a result of years of underfunding and lack of investment in our energy industry. We now have to buy Gas on the open market even though we have had decades of North Sea Gas. Our domestic utility companies are all privately owned by foreign companies. Our Govt has no coherent policy to cope with the UK's energy demand going into the 21st Century, with lack of investment and planning in Nuclear and carbon capture conventional power stations we are at the mercy of the open market ( Russia / Middle East ) and will most likely have to pay ever more increasing utility bills.

Originally Posted by Livia

Quite right they should be thinking about Britain's recovery, they're mostly responsible for the crisis. From that ad you'd think that they'd handed over the country in good shape...

Is this the same Ed Miliband who was appointed Chairman of HM Treasury's Council of Economic Advisers by Gordon Brown, before they were voted out leaving absolutely nothing in the coffers? The same man who's promising to bring in the 10p tax rate while keeping strangely quiet about the fact that it was Labour who abolished it? The same man who shafted his own brother to get his job? Frankly, he's a brilliant weapon in the Tory arsenal.

They weren't a great government, but you can't blame them for the crisis that occurred in 2008. You just can't.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

They weren't a great government, but you can't blame them for the crisis that occurred in 2008. You just can't.

But you can blame the current government?

I find it entertaining that Ed Miliband was instrumental in Brown's Treasury during the fiasco that they partly instigated, party mismanaged, and now he's telling us how they're going to do so much better next time. What a good job he's a politician, because (like the majority of politicians if I'm fair) if he was in any other industry with a CV like his, he'd be forced to think about a career change.

Originally Posted by Livia

But you can blame the current government?

I find it entertaining that Ed Miliband was instrumental in Brown's Treasury during the fiasco that they partly instigated, party mismanaged, and now he's telling us how they're going to do so much better next time. What a good job he's a politician, because (like the majority of politicians if I'm fair) if he was in any other industry with a CV like his, he'd be forced to think about a career change.

Not at all. But you can hold them accountable for strangling growth, and focusing on a set of ideals that are well known to slow down any economy trying to rebound from a crisis.

The financial markets were the cause of the crisis, and not one of those people has ever seen the inside of a courtroom, let alone a jail cell. Incidentally, the people who benefit the most from the trickle down approach of right wing/leaning governments everywhere.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Not at all. But you can hold them accountable for strangling growth, and focusing on a set of ideals that are well known to slow down any economy trying to rebound from a crisis.

The financial markets were the cause of the crisis, and not one of those people has ever seen the inside of a courtroom, let alone a jail cell. Incidentally, the people who benefit the most from the trickle down approach of right wing/leaning governments everywhere.

How many bankers were prosecuted under the Labout government? None. And you just can't say that the Labour Treasury wasn't at least partly responsible for causing a crisis in this country. Now, just a couple of years later, the same person who was one of those rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic, now has all the answers?

I'm not saying that the Tory policies are working... I'm saying they're as bad as each other. And when I see the unctious, self-satisfied face of Ed Miliband saying "There, there, we're going to make it all better..." it makes me cringe.

Originally Posted by Livia

How many bankers were prosecuted under the Labout government? None. And you just can't say that the Labour Treasury wasn't at least partly responsible for causing a crisis in this country. Now, just a couple of years later, the same person who was one of those rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic, now has all the answers?

I'm not saying that the Tory policies are working... I'm saying they're as bad as each other. And when I see the unctious, self-satisfied face of Ed Miliband saying "There, there, we're going to make it all better..." it makes me cringe.

The bankers escaping is clearly an issue for a sector wielding too much power, when they can hold the world to ransom. I can say that the labour Treasury wasn't responsible, in the same way that every other countries treasury wasn't responsible.

Labour made some huge mistakes that should be the opposite their traditional ideals. As you already know, labour are way to the right of me, and they are pretty much a centre-centre right party anyway.

Ed Milliband is a shame to his name and heritage, he should embrace his "ed the red" nickname and try to reclaim socialism for his party. I don't like the man, and have no support for him, but that video sets out a range of principles (albeit in flowery and non-specific language) that are exactly what is needed. It's a step in the right direction at least.

Due to the cold war and unions, socialism has a terrible name, but all of the popular policies that work are primarily socialist. Labour needs to identify that, and latch on to the idea that an economy should build up, not trickle down.

[Livia]

I can't argue with that... dammit.

Originally Posted by Livia

I can't argue with that... dammit.

[Jack_]

I wasn't a fan of Milliband until his speech at the Labour Party conference in Manchester last year. He delivered a really positive speech and I warmed to him.

He needs to take the party back to its roots and this advert which idolises the working classes rather than stigmatising them is a step in the right direction. At the end of the day, regardless of how he speaks or looks, it's the policies of his party that count, not him. This isn't America.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I wasn't a fan of Milliband until his speech at the Labour Party conference in Manchester last year. He delivered a really positive speech and I warmed to him.

He needs to take the party back to its roots and this advert which idolises the working classes rather than stigmatising them is a step in the right direction. At the end of the day, regardless of how he speaks or looks, it's the policies of his party that count, not him. This isn't America.

That's when I warmed to him too Jack. I thought it the most impressive of the leaders speeches at conferences last year.
Your last part of the post is also right, it will and should be the policies of his party that count,not him.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22238582

The government says it will resist attempts to allow US-style political advertising on British TV ahead of an important legal judgement on the issue.

European judges are to rule on a legal challenge claiming a blanket ban on the adverts breaches right to free speech.

The UK says any change to the rules governing political advertising should be a matter for the UK rather than the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).

Justice Secretary Chris Grayling said it was outside the court's remit.

On Monday, the Grand Chamber of the Strasbourg court will deliver its judgment in the long-running case brought by an animal welfare group amid UK concerns that a relaxation of the ban could lead to the airwaves being dominated by the political pressure groups with the deepest pockets.

In 2005, Animal Defenders International was blocked from screening a TV advertisement which juxtaposed images of a girl and a chimpanzee in chains in an animal cage.

The House of Lords upheld the ban in 2008 and the group then took the case to the European Court, claiming the prohibition breached the Article 10 right to freedom of expression.

Mr Grayling told the Mail on Sunday: "I have very serious misgivings about the fact that the court considers this issue to be within its remit. It raises major questions about the role of the ECHR in Britain.

"The ban on political advertising was put there for a purpose: to protect the integrity of our democracy. Any change should be a matter for the UK Parliament, not the ECHR."

A Department for Culture, Media and Sport spokesman said it was confident the government's stance on the issue was correct.

"Political adverts are - and have always been - banned on British TV and radio," he said.

"That ban has wide support and has helped sustain the balance of views which is at the heart of British broadcasting - and ensures that advertising broadcast into our homes is not determined by those who have the deepest pockets."

I'm glad to hear that adverts (political) are banned .....

[Jack_]

Youtube video

Good stuff. Promising at least.

[arista]

Milishambles Part II! Less than 24 hours after dodging question 10 times, Ed finally admits Labour Would borrow billions more

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2S28tfBVp


Millishambles

Originally Posted by arista

Milishambles Part II! Less than 24 hours after dodging question 10 times, Ed finally admits Labour Would borrow billions more

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2S28tfBVp


Millishambles

There is nothing wrong with borrowing money to get you out of recession, but you know that already as I've pointed it out to you 98679867986798764736 times already.

If you borrow to invest in things like infrastructure, then we all win, if you borrow just because you've implemented a policy of austerity, then we all lose.

You know this already though.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

There is nothing wrong with borrowing money to get you out of recession, but you know that already as I've pointed it out to you 98679867986798764736 times already.

If you borrow to invest in things like infrastructure, then we all win, if you borrow just because you've implemented a policy of austerity, then we all lose.

You know this already though.

I agree with you as to that as to the reason you would borrow, the way this Govt is resisting that too is actually likely to damage things further in the long run.
Also,it may well be in the future borrowing would not be as easy or as cheap to do now too.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree with you as to that as to the reason you would borrow, the way this Govt is resisting that too is actually likely to damage things further in the long run.
Also,it may well be in the future borrowing would not be as easy or as cheap to do now too.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ical-interview



But as reported today on BBCNews
voters are confused by him dodging the question.
Not United One Fecup Labour


[Miliband admitted his Radio 4 interview
yesterday had gone 'not so well']

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ical-interview



But as reported today on BBCNews
voters are confused by him dodging the question.
Not United One Fecup Labour


[Miliband admitted his Radio 4 interview
yesterday had gone 'not so well']

I agree he needs to start clarifying things more, however David Cameron was equally as vague when he was opposition leader too.
He didn't even clarify things enough in the actual election to win enough voters he needed,so confusing was the message he sent out.

I am confident Labour will have a stronger and more detailed answer come the General election, these are local elections after all.
It will also be able to be pointed out, that we have a Chancellor now who cannot even see a year ahead let alone 2 years.