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Old 28-05-2013, 08:44 PM #1
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What on earth were channel five thinking giving Bryan dowling the job? It just seems mental thinking how much they invested in getting the show only to give the top job to an amateur. I get he was the champions champion blah blah blah but come on.

Before we have even seen emma present the show we know she will be roughly a thousand times better than brian ever was, even from the advert we can tell this.
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I'm not so sure she will be but for the future of BB I really hope I am wrong and she is.
I am not that impressed with her presenting skills from what I have seen these last couple of years.

I do really like her though,I don't however think she might live up to what people are already building themselves up to expect of her.
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I, too, think Emma was the obvious better choice when 5 picked it up. The only thing I can hazard a guess as to why they didn't hire her was they wanted to replace her with someone who was the total opposite of Davina. Boy, they got that didn't they?
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I still standby that Emma is not a very good presenter, but I hope and think that she will be better than Brian as well.

I just wish that they stopped making her look like Davina.
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Probably because he was ****ing all the gay producers of the show like Jamie Sutcliffe
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I still standby that Emma is not a very good presenter, but I hope and think that she will be better than Brian as well.

I just wish that they stopped making her look like Davina.
Hi Mock, nice to see you posting, I think Emma is a good supporting presenter as in co-presenter but not as the main presenter.
So I agree with you and sadly both for BB and for her, a lot of people are expecting her to be a near carbon copy of Davina and I think that could actually fail big time.

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What on earth were channel five thinking giving Bryan dowling the job? It just seems mental thinking how much they invested in getting the show only to give the top job to an amateur. I get he was the champions champion blah blah blah but come on.

Before we have even seen emma present the show we know she will be roughly a thousand times better than brian ever was, even from the advert we can tell this.
I think it was a massive mistake, I think he has an awful presenting style, I guess the only reason to take a gamble on him was because of his popularity and the way he was a link to the old BB.

But I think the way the show was presented as some type of 2nd rate TOWIE program caused even more damage to the fanbase.

Maybe now BB will get back on track and while it might never be hugely popular again, at least it will have a professional presenter and hopefully can be a 1st rate BB program once more.
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Brian was the least of the shows problems - we only saw him once a week, and the live shows were over the top anyway. I still miss Davina. Emma will do fine.
I just want the show itself to work. Going back to their roots is nice on paper, but are audiences ready? The viewers have changed in the past 13 years - a dry social experiment could be a ratings disaster.
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He represented continuity with BB's past.

I'm sure they'd have preferred Davina or Dermot but they weren't available.
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He was the ultimate HM, so for him to then present the next bunch of series on a "revamped" (cough) show, on paper, makes sense. However he simply didnt have the appropriate presenting skills for viewers to warm to and enjoy. Largely.
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I think they thought having Brian - then recently crowned Ultimate housemate - as a presenter would be a good way to make the transition to Ch5 easier. I think they should of ditched him after the first Ch5 CBB and then brought in Emma for BB 2011.
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Yeah I agree with most of the above. Brian had just won UBB, was one of the favourite HMs of a lot of fans and so they thought he would bring a lot of viewers over to C5. Unfortunately his presenting style is not natural enough coupled with the over production of the show now so it didn't work. It needs completely stripping back, normal (?!) HMs with no agents, less of the tacky dancers, music etc, a toned down Marcus and a natural presenter / interviwer for evictions and it can get back on track. (hopefully)
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I think Emma Willis is a good move, however in general they really do have to be careful taking things in a new (old) direction - plenty of viewers could be alienated and then where will we be? Show cancelled?
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I didn't watch Brian's original season, but Brian as a housemate on UBB had a very different persona from the one we saw from Brian the presenter. He was likeable and self-effacing, rather than the strange, awkward, creepy, arrogant lech that he became later. In their defence, the producers could never have foreseen that.

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I believe Emma was always the choice to replace Davina and C5 were hoping Brian would present BBBOTS... Brian on the other hand said he would not accept anything other than the top job... C5 were obviously wanting to have him as a part of the show gave in to his demands as he had an established history with the viewers and still ranked well amongst fans as a popular choice to take on the role... I think at the end of negotiations, C5 were also scared that critical viewers would have also seen Emma as too much of a Davina clone and therefore Brian wasn't such a bad choice...

Now that Emma is the host I'm hoping she can find some middle ground between what I loved about Davina and putting her own spin on the role...
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I think Emma getting pregnant in 2011 scuppered their plans to have her present the main show.. But that doesn't explain why they signed a new contract with him til the end of 2014 when the show got renewed last April.
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I think Emma getting pregnant in 2011 scuppered their plans to have her present the main show.. But that doesn't explain why they signed a new contract with him til the end of 2014 when the show got renewed last April.
I doubt her pregnancy had anything to do with it... Davina presented while pregnant 3 times during the C4 run... TBH hosting BBBOTS Monday to Friday is a lot more work than presenting evictions one night a week...

As for Brian's contract renewal he obviously had people who liked him high up in the chain... Especially given what I said above... If he was able to weasel his way in to the main presenters job when they initially had Emma in mind I'm not surprised he was able to negotiate a contract that would have kept him in the role he so desperately wanted...

I believe he'd still be around if there weren't a shake up of those in charge of the network...
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Brian did a fantastic job and he served the show well.

Were/Are there problems with the C5 show? yes. Was Brian responsible for most of those problems? no.

Most of yall have also been slagging off BOTS since it started, but some how Emma gets a clean slate now? gimme a break.
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Brian did a fantastic job and he served the show well.

Were/Are there problems with the C5 show? yes. Was Brian responsible for most of those problems? no.

Most of yall have also been slagging off BOTS since it started, but some how Emma gets a clean slate now? gimme a break.
I disagree completely... The lack of a competent presenter was one of the major problems with the C5 era... A the very least he was the icing on the cake...

The slagging off of BBBOTS has everything to do with the format as well as the content of the show... It has very little to do with who was presenting it 5 days a week... I don't think for a second that Emma is getting a clean slate, I've seen plenty of people state they were not as impressed with her on BBBOTS... It just that most of us can see that she is better suited for her new role...

Brian was nothing but a mouth piece for the idiots that gave him the job in the first place... I fail to see how he served the show well... Brian did nothing but dismiss complaints and upheld C5's stance when it came to the show... Davina at least acknowledged criticism and engaged fans in conversation while still being respectful of her employer...

Brian was a reflection and a symbol of everything that was wrong with the show... He left a HUGE shit stain that won't soon be forgotten... TBH I think bringing in Emma at this point may be a little too late...
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I'm not so sure she will be but for the future of BB I really hope I am wrong and she is.
I am not that impressed with her presenting skills from what I have seen these last couple of years.

I do really like her though,I don't however think she might live up to what people are already building themselves up to expect of her.
I absolutely agree with you joey and I didn't think Brian did such a bad job either.
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I couldnt stand Brian's presenting. Always felt asthough he relied too much on the auto-que
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I doubt her pregnancy had anything to do with it... Davina presented while pregnant 3 times during the C4 run... TBH hosting BBBOTS Monday to Friday is a lot more work than presenting evictions one night a week...
There's a difference though, Davina had already been presenting the show for years when she was pregnant. BB launching on CH5 was a clean, fresh slate and it would have been a little strange for them to have a pregnant woman fronting the first new series. I honestly do believe they originally wanted Emma but decided against it because of her pregnancy. CH5 were all about the glam and sex appeal and appealing to teenagers and using a pregnant woman just didn't jell with their agenda. That being said, they still could have chosen someone way better than Brian. However, now, Emma is the perfect fit.
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I absolutely agree with you joey and I didn't think Brian did such a bad job either.
Thank you.
I don't think he did either, I also think a little of what he did would be likely scripted too, he was always so much more relaxed and free when he came on bbbots.

I just think too much is being expected now of Emma, as I've said elsewhere,in my view at any rate, from what I have seen of her,I don't see her as a main presenter.
She is a really good co-host but not as a main and only one.
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Brian did a fantastic job and he served the show well.

Were/Are there problems with the C5 show? yes. Was Brian responsible for most of those problems? no.

Most of yall have also been slagging off BOTS since it started, but some how Emma gets a clean slate now? gimme a break.


What!! Were we both watching a different show, because Brian's run on Ch5 was an absolute disaster from start to finish.
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