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"The scale of America's
surveillance state was laid bare on Thursday as senior politicians revealed that the US counter-terrorism effort had swept up swaths of personal data from the phone calls of millions of citizens for years. After the revelation by the Guardian of a sweeping secret court order that authorised the FBI to seize all call records from a subsidiary of Verizon, the Obama administration sought to defuse mounting anger over what critics described as the broadest surveillance ruling ever issued. A White House spokesman said that laws governing such orders "are something that have been in place for a number of years now" and were vital for protecting national security. Dianne Feinstein, the Democratic chairwoman of the Senate intelligence committee, said the Verizon court order had been in place for seven years. "People want the homeland kept safe," Feinstein said." http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...erizon-records The President is in charge get him out - Call a Emergency Election |
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They get into sites via the Back Door. Is Tibb going to get a Double Lock on its back door? Last edited by arista; 07-06-2013 at 06:28 PM. |
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Anybody with privacy in mind and a brain in their head vanished onto the darknet a long time ago and became untraceable leaving the NSA trawling through housewives gossip.
http://www.secretsofthefed.com/break...nsa-documents/ Courtesy of Anonymous: oops the NSA are still using the internet though http://thedocs.hostzi.com/DoD_NetOps...gic_Vision.pdf Use the internet for pointless chatter use the darknet for private messages its dead simple. Last edited by billy123; 08-06-2013 at 07:00 AM. |
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What's the Darknet ???
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Now the UK is angry with so much GCHQ Data from many on Google , Facebook,Microsoft, TIBB even, going to USA Last edited by arista; 08-06-2013 at 05:50 PM. |
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My friend and I always say "hi" to the NSA people whenever we talk about politics. IS this really surprising to anyone? I've known this since the 90's.
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Don't be afraid to be weak. Last edited by lostalex; 08-06-2013 at 06:40 PM. |
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It's where people can buy drugs and child porn and stolen organs(the bodily kind, not the musical kind).
Black Market, Darknet... same thing.
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Don't be afraid to be weak. Last edited by lostalex; 08-06-2013 at 06:42 PM. |
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![]() http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...bal-datamining The CIA uses all our data but still it does not help them |
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I think they have. I don't agree with the NSA or any government body breaking the law. But to say it doesn't help them prevent terrorism seems kinda silly. I think it does help them. And also it probably helps them sort out the people who are not real terrorists, the people who are just all talk and no game. I definitely think their heart is in the right place. Are they doing something wrong? maybe, they need to follow the laws. But they arn't doing it to oppress the American people, I do think they only do it because they honestly believe it is necessay to protect the American people. People are portraying Obama and the US government as some kind of evil monsters that want to oppress them, but i honestly don't think they are. I honestly think they are doing what they think they need to do to protect us.
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Don't be afraid to be weak. Last edited by lostalex; 09-06-2013 at 02:17 PM. |
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^ I agree
If they listened to phone calls to prevent terrorist attacks happening and potentially saving the life of someone I know, I'm all for it. What's the problem if you have nothing to hide?
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Boston "Are you saying they havn't prevented any terrorist attacks?" Last edited by arista; 09-06-2013 at 02:20 PM. |
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9/11 was long before google and facebook and twitter. In 2001 most people still had dial up internet and used land line phones. There was no Skype. People were still using pagers in 2001.
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no... I didn't say that at all.
You have no idea how many terrorist attacks have been prevented over the past few years. Coming from someone with a family member in the government, i would know. they don't listen to phone calls for no reason.
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Yes I worry Old Bill will Die
of a Live Massive Heart Attack on FoxNewsHD with staff punching his heart but no response Last edited by arista; 09-06-2013 at 03:01 PM. |
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Boston was a tiny attack by a couple of kids who were watching extremist youtube videos. There's no way to stop those type of attacks.
He was actually kicked out of his Boston mosque for being too extreme. he was a loner kid who got indoctrinated by his parents and by youtube videos. There are always going to be small little attacks like those. The Boston attack was more like Sandy Hook or the Batman movie theater massacre than it was a true terror attack. Like the UK public beheading recently, these small scale attacks will happen. You can't compare those type of incidents to real terror attacks like 9/11 or 7/7.
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Don't be afraid to be weak. Last edited by lostalex; 09-06-2013 at 05:16 PM. |
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"Boston was a tiny attack by a couple of kids who were watching extremist youtube videos. There's no way to stop those type of attacks."
Wrong Russia gave warnings direct to American FBI |
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Russia didn't provide any criminal evidence though, all they said was "this kid is VERY muslim". What are we supposed to do with that? lock him up just for being VERY muslim?
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That's ridiculous.
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Don't be afraid to be weak. Last edited by lostalex; 09-06-2013 at 06:02 PM. |
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They should have set up bugs and checked what they were planning, Many Good Americans said that. In the UK we do that and stopped the Heathrow Plane Bomb Plot well done MI5 All Locked up now |
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You can't have people monitoring all extreme muslims 24 hours a day forever. It's just not practical. There's too many of them. We have to focus on the big terror plots. the large scale well orchestrated ones. We can't stop all the little ones. There would be a new 9/11 every year if we didn't stop the big ones. The big ones are the biggest worry.
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Don't be afraid to be weak. Last edited by lostalex; 09-06-2013 at 06:12 PM. |
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