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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23230419
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I don't believe many prisoners can truly be reformed, especially those who have committed multiple murders - you could argue that crime of passion one off murderers might have acted out in the heat of the moment and with some therapy for their anger might have a chance at reintegrating into society, but not someone who committed a mass murder or serial killings!
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This decision is fair as prior to this only a small proportion of convicted murderers are given a whole life tariff which means NO release ever and more importantly NO hope of release regardless of how reformed or rehabilitated a prisoner becomes.
The decision to impose a whole life tariff is usually only done for crimes that are particularly nasty like child rape/killing or mass killing involving torture etc... These crimes prick the public conscience and usually given the media exposure and public disgust a Judge can and will impose this type of tariff. The problem with this however is that currently our prison system exists to punish,rehabilitate and reform prisoners where possible, so to impose this "whole life" tariff removes any possibility of rehabilitation or reform and is just Punishment pure and simple. The arguement in this case is that ALL prisoners should have in theory the same possibility of reform and rehab even though clearly some prisoners like Ian Brady eg will NEVER be released. So I think this decision changes nothing other than to give in theory some possibility to our worst offenders even though in practice they will never be released....!!!! |
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I think there's just that huge "what if" hanging over this ruling, what if a notorious murderer is somehow paroled and let back into society? Would they be given a new identity? Probably... and as shown by Jon Venables, rehabilitation is a subjective thing - if a prisoner can convince a panel they're reformed, they get let out. I'm not suggesting that this panel is made up of idiots, but many criminals are intelligent and I think any criminal would do their best to hide any untoward intentions for the sake of getting parole... who knows, this is all conjecture, but it is very worrying.
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Life should mean life, till the bastards take their last dying breath.
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People who deliberately set out to kill someone else deserve NOTHING imo,no human rights just a 6 by 6 room with a bucket and mattress,I can see how crimes of passion could be different,but anything premeditated should mean life and a hard one!
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The ECHR has not said whole life sentences are wrong. Just that they should be reviewed from time to time. In the UK, up to 2003, we used to do just that after 25 years had been served.
But we stopped doing that and that's what the ECHR is saying we should not have stopped. |
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Flag shagger.
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Another reason to opt out of Europe. An unelected body making decisions about our law? It disgusts me.
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Life hasn't meant "life" as in a life sentence for a long time. Sentences in general don't mean anything anymore either. I think I have read about 2 cases today where sentences have been reduced after being reviewed and prisoners are often released early due to good behaviour.
I quote from the above article: "...being denied any prospect of release was a violation of Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights - which protects people from inhuman or degrading treatment." I wonder if these "lifers" protected their victims from inhuman or degrading treatment? No, I didn't think so. Last edited by Mrluvaluva; 12-07-2013 at 12:36 AM. |
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Likes cars that go boom
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People getting hysterical again.... there is no mention of a release, just a case review
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In regards to 'life not meaning life' anymore...
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This guy attempted to "rape and gut a 12 year old girl like a pig". From the story, it sounds like he would have gone through with it had he not have been caught. He was given a life sentence, but could potentially be back on the streets in 7 years time? (I know nothing about law but assume that's what the above quote means?) Life sentence? Hmm... ![]() Maybe i'm overreacting but I personally see no benefit in allowing him back into society after such a short period of time. He clearly has a lot of problems, the story is horrendous. Last edited by RichardG; 14-08-2013 at 03:41 PM. |
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Complete waste of tax payers money.
Where it's proven BEYOND doubt then just dispatch them by lethal injection. If there is any doubt then lock them up until they prove they are either innocent or reformed characters. |
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Has life ever meant life in this country? I know it does for a very select few high profile cases..but generally life seems to mean 10-15 years
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Likes cars that go boom
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Life meant death for a while?...
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