[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by smeagol

the facts are he crossed the line and should of been removed straight away not next day.
one minute they were having fun the next he is in serious psycho mode. i dont think she could work out if he was joking still or not. he went too far and beyond
no one should be sticking up for him. there is no excuse or normality in what he said and done. that's just psycho .

the whole slappin & pulling down trouser thing yeah all thats fun messing about both of them thats what people do. but the threatening to nut someone hold em down etc is not.

another great post

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The good old days when men could pin their women to the bed and keep their heads held high

Ah yes, those were the days.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lily.

.. needs to seriously re-assess their life.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The good old days when men could pin their women to the bed and keep their heads held high

I just know your thinking of sallie when you wrote this

[thesheriff443]

as to members questioning why she went back to bed, im sure there where many emotion's running thru her mind!, a large amount of shock and disbelief, and wanting the morning to come round very quickly.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

as to members questioning why she went back to bed, im sure there where many emotion's running thru her mind!, a large amount of shock and disbelief, and wanting to morning to come round very quickly.

mmhhmm, also maybe she was thinking, Am I over reacting?, or maybe If I cause a fuss and ask to leave the safe house it'll be my fault if he gets in more trouble........ people don't know what was going on in her head but what we do know is what we saw and heard Daley do and say to her, that should be more than enough evidence that he crossed a line

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

mmhhmm, also maybe she was thinking, Am I over reacting?, or maybe If I cause a fuss and ask to leave the safe house it'll be my fault if he gets in more trouble........ people don't know what was going on in her head but what we do know is what we saw and heard Daley do and say to her, that should be more than enough evidence that he crossed a line

She knew she was part of the problem but she might be able to go into victim mode if she played her cards right.

I do think Hazel does have evil inside..... as she said on her own VT. I took particular note of her and Daley during the interview task. Daley's eyes were like a puppy's. Hazel's were quite scary.

In terms of gameplaying, she has done quite well so far.

Anyway Daley has gone and 100% rightly so. There is no point discussing him: he behaved like a drunken lout.

All that remains to discuss is whether Hazel's punishment was sufficient. I personally don't think it was. In addition to the warning she should have been automatically put up for nomination every week until the end of the series. Let the public decide!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

She knew she was part of the problem but she might be able to go into victim mode if she played her cards right.

I do think Hazel does have evil inside..... as she said on her own VT. I took particular note of her and Daley during the interview task. Daley's eyes were like a puppy's. Hazel's were quite scary.

In terms of gameplaying, she has done quite well so far.

Anyway Daley has gone and 100% rightly so. There is no point discussing him: he behaved like a drunken lout.

All that remains to discuss is whether Hazel's punishment was sufficient. I personally don't think it was. In addition to the warning she should have been automatically put up for nomination every week until the end of the series. Let the public decide!

But she didn't "go into victim mode" God I can't believe people are calling Hazel evil because of what her eyes look like after, she'd basically been assaulted, jesus

[Bbviewersince2000]

His actions were aggressive and threatening, but at no point did Hazel tell him to stop or express her concern, even cuddling him after. They had no choice but to evict him after behaviour like that and hazel looked visibly upset in the diary room, but she didn't show this to daley, well not that we have seen.

[the truth]

I thought her actions were passive aggressive too.....she scared me just as much as him with the way she went out of her way to tire him, tease him, slap his backside, pull his pants down on live tv, humiliate him and his family, demand boob hugs endlessly? she actually preyed on him as he was mentally weaker and hes clearly not bright. she deliberately went out of her way to tire him, irritate him and get this reaction. he was wrong what he did, but so was she

[Marc]

He just turned bat crazy...

[CaudleHalbard]

I have no doubt in my mind that Hazel has a greater propensity for evil of the two. Just because she speaks with a soft Irish accent, and Daley speaks like a bro from the hood doesn't alter that.

Much is being made of Daley's hands on her throat. I do not believe he would have taken it any further. He wanted to scare her into silence... and to a minor extent he succeeded. But even then she wasn't all that scared.

Hazel meekly accepted her punishment when she was called to the DR. She is probably quietly relieved she wasn't kicked out of the house for her behaviour.

If she really thought she was being abused she would have screamed her protests at BB.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

I have no doubt in my mind that Hazel has a greater propensity for evil of the two. Just because she speaks with a soft Irish accent, and Daley speaks like a bro from the hood doesn't alter that.

Much is being made of Daley's hands on her throat. I do not believe he would have taken it any further. He wanted to scare her into silence... and to a minor extent he succeeded. But even then she wasn't all that scared.

Hazel meekly accepted her punishment when she was called to the DR. She is probably quietly relieved she wasn't kicked out of the house for her behaviour.

If she really thought she was being abused she would have screamed her protests at BB.

Oh please, what kind of "evil" are you talking about that you think she's capable of? Serial killer perhaps? And seriously, all he wanted to do was "scare her into silence" was it? Yeah cos normal people do that all the time

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh please, what kind of "evil" are you talking about that you think she's capable of? Serial killer perhaps? And seriously, all he wanted to do was "scare her into silence" was it? Yeah cos normal people do that all the time

There are different levels of evil. I was merely using the word Hazel used to describe herself!

She is probably used to rough sex and it will not be the first time hands have been put around her throat. Her "fear" started when BB called Daley to the DR. At that point she remembered the cameras were on her...................

Sorry to be cynical about Hazel, but I am immune to her charms!

I think Daley behaved badly and it is right he should be booted. It will be interesting to see his interview with Emma.

[Stankleberry]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

She is probably used to rough sex and it will not be the first time hands have been put around her throat. Her "fear" started when BB called Daley to the DR. At that point she remembered the cameras were on her...................

Sorry to be cynical about Hazel, but I am immune to her charms!

Yes, this is correct I think. She kept goading him further, she could have stopped the whole thing at any point. She loved it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

There are different levels of evil. I was merely using the word Hazel used to describe herself!

She is probably used to rough sex and it will not be the first time hands have been put around her throat. Her "fear" started when BB called Daley to the DR. At that point she remembered the cameras were on her...................

Sorry to be cynical about Hazel, but I am immune to her charms!

I think Daley behaved badly and it is right he should be booted. It will be interesting to see his interview with Emma.

I feel like I'm repeating myself alot but anyway, ok lets assume they're into rough sex and role play for a minute, do you really think that they'd be testing eachother boundaries of that out on national TV without having even slept with eachother once before? I really don't think so.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by lily.

.. needs to seriously re-assess their life.

Look, I havent seen anyone on here defending him

They are just trying to point out that she was complict in all that happened, knowing he was drunk and starting a \play fight' that she knew he didnt want

I wouldnt do that with my partner if he wanted to sleep, but to do it to a guy you barely know, who has already said things to you that make you uncomfortable (as she told Charle)

Im sorry, but she was ACTUALLY asking for it, literally, when she said, I am not afraid of aggressive men, WTF?? She was actually asking???

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

Look, I havent seen anyone on here defending him

They are just trying to point out that she was complict in all that happened, knowing he was drunk and starting a \play fight' that she knew he didnt want

I wouldnt do that with my partner if he wanted to sleep, but to do it to a guy you barely know, who has already said things to you that make you uncomfortable (as she told Charle)

Im sorry, but she was ACTUALLY asking for it, literally, when she said, I am not afraid of aggressive men, WTF?? She was actually asking???

Oh wow I suppose you blame victims of rape if they're not dressed appropriately too

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I feel like I'm repeating myself alot but anyway, ok lets assume they're into rough sex and role play for a minute, do you really think that they'd be testing eachother boundaries of that out on national TV without having even slept with eachother once before? I really don't think so.

She has been testing boundaries with him since she first threw herself on him

The way she has been touching him inappropriately and rubbing herself up against him while he has been asking her not to (to save embarrassment) is a sure sign that she has NO boundaries on tv or otherwise

Sorry but the girl is not blameless in this and the crowd will let all housemates know that on Friday

GET HAZEL OUT

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

She has been testing boundaries with him since she first threw herself on him

The way she has been touching him inappropriately and rubbing herself up against him while he has been asking her not to (to save embarrassment) is a sure sign that she has NO boundaries on tv or otherwise

Sorry but the girl is not blameless in this and the crowd will let all housemates know that on Friday

GET HAZEL OUT

I bet they won't.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by bbviewersince2000

his actions were aggressive and threatening, but at no point did hazel tell him to stop or express her concern, even cuddling him after. They had no choice but to evict him after behaviour like that and hazel looked visibly upset in the diary room, but she didn't show this to daley, well not that we have seen.

she was only upset cause she realised that we all see her for what she is

she didnt get upset at all until he was called to the diary room

[susie q]

The problem is by supporting Daley it sends out the message that his behaviour was acceptable and that he doesnt need to change attitude towards women in general, from his seriel cheating through to his abusive streak. He also acted like a typical abuser by blaming Hazel/alcohol etc he didnt even take 50percent of the blame. He really does have deep seated problems. The scary thing is that there are some children involved! He is not a
great model for them. I also think that he may have gone for other housemates who crossed him particularly when drunk. It was right that he was removed it should have been done immediately.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh please, what kind of "evil" are you talking about that you think she's capable of? Serial killer perhaps? And seriously, all he wanted to do was "scare her into silence" was it? Yeah cos normal people do that all the time

murder isn't the only evil in the world.....99.99% of evil is far more subtle in the way it destroys people. her behaviour was evil

[the truth]

Originally Posted by susie q

The problem is by supporting Daley it sends out the message that his behaviour was acceptable and that he doesnt need to change attitude towards women in general, from his seriel cheating through to his abusive streak. He also acted like a typical abuser by blaming Hazel/alcohol etc he didnt even take 50percent of the blame. He really does have deep seated problems. The scary thing is that there are some children involved! He is not a
great model for them. I also think that he may have gone for other housemates who crossed him particularly when drunk. It was right that he was removed it should have been done immediately.

this is the problem in PC UK....we are banned from discussing this, which is wrong. everyone says daley is bad and rightly booted. that topic is over. what were discussing is what should hazels punishment have been

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh wow I suppose you blame victims of rape if they're not dressed appropriately too

that's a disgusting outrageous thing to say. totally out of proportion and way ott