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BB14 Channel 5's Big Brother: Secrets and Lies (aka Big Brother 14) started June 13th 2013 and was won by Sam Evans. Discuss the series and housemates here. |
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01-08-2013, 08:42 PM | #1 | ||
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Whatever is or is not wrong with Callum, the constant equating of mental illness with danger to others is out of order.
Statistically, there are likely to be several people using this forum who are currently being treated, or have been treated at some time, for some form of mental illness. It is a complete but worryingly common misconception that the mentally ill, or those with mental (or learning) disabilities, are a danger to the rest of us. Not only is this an unfair perception of mental illness but it has the negative effect of increasing people's fear of and therefore aggression towards those who do suffer. When people say they think Callum is schizophrenic and then follow that up with a comment about bodies under the patio it plays into a very nasty paradigm in our society. People with schizophrenia are far more likely than people without to be physically and verbally abused, attacked and even murdered. The perception of them as dangerous leads to increased isolation and social exclusion and increases their already statistically high risk of being harmed or killed by other, even as it increases the likelihood of them dropping away from help and into self harm. These may just be jokes, but they add to the general noise and social perception of some of the most vulnerable people in our society as the most dangerous. Last edited by DanaC; 01-08-2013 at 08:43 PM. |
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01-08-2013, 08:44 PM | #2 | ||
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Its now getting out of hand ..how many thread about Callum being mentally ill are going to be allowed on here ?
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01-08-2013, 08:45 PM | #3 | |||
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You really do have to wonder don't you....
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01-08-2013, 08:47 PM | #4 | |||
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Why can't everyone just get used to the fact that Callum is gonna kill us all?
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01-08-2013, 08:52 PM | #5 | |||
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oh dear, I wasn't trying to brand him that way, I was genuinly worried, but think of me as you wish. I am not so immature as to try sway peoples votes to get Dexter to win, its a TV show for goodness sake. If Dexter wins, thats good, if he doesn't it won't be the end of the world, I'll still think he was my number one anyway. I'm sorry if I offended you, it appears I did by my concern.
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01-08-2013, 08:52 PM | #6 | |||
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01-08-2013, 08:53 PM | #7 | |||
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01-08-2013, 08:55 PM | #8 | |||
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It's true that's it's getting a bit overwhelming, theirs like 5 on the main page already lol
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01-08-2013, 09:00 PM | #9 | ||
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Jackie has a lot to answer for and the so called BB psychologists who set this rabbit running. Last edited by Vicky.; 01-08-2013 at 10:03 PM. Reason: removing deleted part of quote |
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01-08-2013, 09:01 PM | #10 | ||
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01-08-2013, 09:03 PM | #11 | |||
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01-08-2013, 09:04 PM | #12 | |||
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I think people are genuinely concerned for him, his odd irrational behaviour is getting worse and his mentality seems to be deteriorating too. Its not trolling by making reasonable assumptions.
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01-08-2013, 09:06 PM | #13 | |||
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01-08-2013, 09:14 PM | #14 | ||
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Wasn't referring to your posts m'dear. It isn't the discussing of callum's mental state that I have a problem with per se. It's the constant jokes about bodies under the patio that play on the idea that someone with a mental illness or instability is dangerous. It's when someone says yes, they think he is mentally ill, and therefore he is dangerous. It's the routine conflation of 'psychotic' with 'psychopathic'. It's done in humour mostly, but we live in a world where a person with severe learning disabilities, or with a mental illness like schizophrenia is likely to face serious and violent abuse or attack because of their mental state. |
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01-08-2013, 09:15 PM | #15 | |||
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Also some interesting stuff here: http://depts.washington.edu/mhreport/facts_violence.php http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525086/ |
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01-08-2013, 09:35 PM | #17 | |||
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Fair play, I don't doubt the evidence, makes sense.
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01-08-2013, 09:39 PM | #18 | |||
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Attacks on the learning disabled are a serious problem in this (and I assume many other) country. As a local councillor I was regularly approached for help by parents/carers of learning disabled adults who were facing persistent and aggressive antisocial behaviour, sometimes to a very frightening level from neighbours and other local residents. Not just youngsters, mind you, full-gron adults too, who felt fully justified in hurling appalling abuse at these vulnerable people whenever they stepped out of their front door.
If you think bullying, namecalling and haranguing ends when they leave school think again. bricks through windows, dogmess through letterboxes etc. Shocking stuff, really. Every so often a case is so terrible and the results so tragic that they hit the news: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...alcare.comment Quote:
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01-08-2013, 09:42 PM | #19 | |||
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I don't think anyone is advocating bullying or abuse towards the disabled or mentally challenged...
The threads are quite specific to callum and even then, while I fully get its going too far in some circumstances, I really don't think anyone is advocating that he gets stoned or abused when out of the house... |
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01-08-2013, 09:46 PM | #20 | ||
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Oh I know. And the odd jokey comment about him being a serial killer isn;t going to do any harm. But the last couple of days it's become a fairly constant theme that whenever anyone ta;ks about mental illness they then throw in a comment tthat suggests that makes him dangerous.
he might be dangerous for all I know...but the equation has become a little too complete for my liking that's all. Anyway: that's my seriousness done for the night Move along please, nothing to see here Last edited by DanaC; 01-08-2013 at 09:49 PM. |
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Callum says he will murder anyone who pushes Charlie whilst holding a knife....
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01-08-2013, 09:50 PM | #22 | |||
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Yeah it's certainly not as black and white as that. Mental illness of course doesn't necessarily mean someone will be violent and dangerous.
It's certainly case related. For example, someone with multiple personality disorder and schizophrenia, who also happens to have an aggressive nature, absolutely could be problematic. Whereas someone with a passive demeanor and ADHD or Autism wouldn't fit the bill. |
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01-08-2013, 09:50 PM | #23 | ||
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01-08-2013, 09:59 PM | #24 | ||
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Good point. I'm going to stop picking posters up on it though, I think. I don't want to be a party pooper and I know people are just having fun and making jokes. That's kind of partly why I did this thread really. I just wanted it said. I wanted it out there and understood. Doesn't mean people shouldn't find these jokes funny, just wanted to make sure that underneath all that banter, there was some understanding of the reality. Last edited by DanaC; 01-08-2013 at 10:04 PM. |
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01-08-2013, 10:06 PM | #25 | |||
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The comments towards Callum, like them or hate them, are I think more to do with the kind of mentally ill people you may find serving time in Broadmoor. I don't think the comments are serious and I don't think anyone's suggested he has learning difficulties. The comments - way off target though they may be - shouldn't be the cause for an overreaction.
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