[JennyJalan]

It's been said that a way of discerning if something is racist or not is to reverse the ethnicities and see how it looks from that persepctive.
With this in mind, let's say Hazel had been made Queen Bee and had been giving Gina electric shocks on her arse and telling her to work harder.
Then let's reverse the colour of all the other HM's. In other words, a white Queen Bee with 7 black drones slaving for her.
Then let's say Hazel made a slur / jibe about Gina's ethnicity (the way Gina just called Hazel a "Paddy").

[DanaC]

No.

[RichardG]

no

[Marsh.]

Well you've twisted, turned and contorted the situation into something 100% different.

Tosh.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by JennyJalan

It's been said that a way of discerning if something is racist or not is to reverse the ethnicities and see how it looks from that persepctive.
With this in mind, let's say Hazel had been made Queen Bee and had been giving Gina electric shocks on her arse and telling her to work harder.
Then let's reverse the colour of all the other HM's. In other words, a white Queen Bee with 7 black drones slaving for her.

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[JennyJalan]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Well you've twisted, turned and contorted the situation into something 100% different.

Tosh.

^Nope. Just reversed the colours. Pretty simple really.

[SurfersCreed]

Now that you mention it, YES , it would make VERY uncomfortable viewing if the colours were reversed!!!
As for Gina calling Hazel a 'paddy'... can you imagine if Hazel called Gina a n***er?!

[michael21]

Hazel also has dark skin so the op make no sense

[daniel-lewis-1985]

No this isn't 1940's Washington.

This is just a bunch of people dressed up as bees.

BTW Paddy isn't a race and I never actually heard her say that?

[michael21]

Originally Posted by SurfersCreed

Now that you mention it, YES , it would make VERY uncomfortable viewing if the colours were reversed!!!
As for Gina calling Hazel a 'paddy'... can you imagine if Hazel called Gina a n***er?!

she said Paddy bra

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by JennyJalan

It's been said that a way of discerning if something is racist or not is to reverse the ethnicities and see how it looks from that persepctive.
With this in mind, let's say Hazel had been made Queen Bee and had been giving Gina electric shocks on her arse and telling her to work harder.
Then let's reverse the colour of all the other HM's. In other words, a white Queen Bee with 7 black drones slaving for her.
Then let's say Hazel made a slur / jibe about Gina's ethnicity (the way Gina just called Hazel a "Paddy").

It's so frustrating to see racism being implied. You are over thinking and twisting logic out of all sense and proportion

If you are a psychology fan that might well explain such a wide off the mark suggestion.

[Kizzy]

I think she meant the pads in her bra too to be fair.

[SurfersCreed]

Originally Posted by michael21

Hazel also has dark skin so the op make no sense

^It's not about tones and shades. Hazel is ethnically Caucasian. Gina identifies herself as Black (remember how she got offended at being the term "mixed"?!)

Also, Gina is the FIRST person to scream "racism"! ("You're not attracted to Black men?! RACIST!!!")
Can you imagine if she had to be a drone for queen Hazel?!

[halfacrown]

I definitely don't think Gina was chosen for Queen Bee because she's black.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Anyway in answer to your question NO seeing as in your logic it wasn't reversed therefor not racist

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

No this isn't 1940's Washington.

This is just a bunch of people dressed up as bees.

BTW Paddy isn't a race and I never actually heard her say that?

Didn't hear her say it either,so can't comment!
However,Paddy is an offensive term,just like the "N" word,even though Paddy and the "N" word are both not races!!!

[Marsh.]

Paddy as in St Patrick? Padded bra?



You really are seeing things that aren't there.

[Cocidius]

Originally Posted by Seanbon

Didn't hear her say it either,so can't comment!
However,Paddy is an offensive term,just like the "N" word,even though Paddy and the "N" word are both not races!!!

I think this point is null and void because she said bra, but if someone did say that I'd agree, but since no one did:/

[arney]

I'd take offence being called a paddy. Racist undertones. BB & BOTS.

Plus Irish undertones last year too.

(Emma + Ian)... Do not like Irish people.

[Jords]

no

[DanaC]

Can't comment on the use of Paddy, as I didn't hear it said (though paddy is absolutely a derogatory term for Irish), but the reversing the colours method of determinng racism is something of a blunt tool. It can work and effectively point up racism, but not always,and I don't think in this instance.

If it were reversed and a white HM was treating an all black group of HMs as slaves, then that could be very uncomfortable, because there is a legacy in our society from the enslavement of black Africans by white Europeans/Americans in the not so very distant past, the institutional racism towards black people in the recent past, along with a contemporary power disparity between black and white.

The same has never been true in reverse. There is no legacy of slavery, nor contemporary power imbalance to call upon if you reverse the colours.


The only way this task could have been made racist with Gina as a black woman in charge of white subordinates, is if they were playing mistress and slave/servant and therefore overtly calling upon a reversal of that legacy; and then it would be racist against black not white, because along with subjugation of black people, came fear of 'the black man having the whip hand over the white man' - in other words any call upon the legacy of the system of slavery can only really be racist against the victims of that system. And even then, in the context of a small group of housemates, in which her personality has been identified as a the house diva,and in which she has effectively been fighting it out for alpha female with another house mate, it's a stretch.

As it is, they were roleplaying bees. Someone had to be Queen Bee. It was Gina.

[Gillian-73]

She was on about her bra! Some people should maybe watch each show twice just to make sure they have really heard what they think they have. This thread is pointless!

[armand.kay]

Facking hell

[mr rochester]

Nonsense...

[Nedusa]

Pretty sure Paddy Bra was meant to be Padded Bra so no racism there. I think we have enough to be annoyed about with the "bullying" aspect of last nights show without introducing a racism angle as well.