[lippyzippy]

what a pain in the anus that regime has become

peace? theyre not remotely interested.....its all about stealing land and cashing in

pathetic

[arista]

Originally Posted by lippyzippy

what a pain in the anus that regime has become

peace? theyre not remotely interested.....its all about stealing land and cashing in

pathetic

Yes it be going on for so long

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lippyzippy

what a pain in the anus that regime has become

peace? theyre not remotely interested.....its all about stealing land and cashing in

pathetic

Are you looking for a debate or just making a statement?

[lippyzippy]

the timing as always was also a disgrace

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lippyzippy

the timing as always was also a disgrace

Again... debate or another statement?

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by lippyzippy

the timing as always was also a disgrace

I agree........no debate needed on this subject, usual disgraceful Israeli actions....!!!!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I agree........no debate needed on this subject, usual disgraceful Israeli actions....!!!!

Then why on Earth are the pair on you on a serious debates forum, when you clearly have no intention of hearing anyone else's opinion?

How ridiculous...

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Livia

Then why on Earth are the pair on you on a serious debates forum, when you clearly have no intention of hearing anyone else's opinion?

How ridiculous...

Actually not so ridiculous......

Nobody else's opinion is needed when dealing with this issue. Actions speak much louder than words........World opinion fairly unanimous in their condemnation of Israeli policies and practices......!!!!

Do you really think we need to "debate" this on this tiny little BB forum ???

Pleeeeezeee.....Get real !!!!!!!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Actually not so ridiculous......

Nobody else's opinion is needed when dealing with this issue. Actions speak much louder than words........World opinion fairly unanimous in their condemnation of Israeli policies and practices......!!!!

Do you really think we need to "debate" this on this tiny little BB forum ???

Pleeeeezeee.....Get real !!!!!!!

Hey, who the bloody hell are you talking to? When was the last time you were in Israel? I was there in June... you get real.

Someone started a thread in SERIOUS DEBATES. It's for DEBATES, not for your one-side views.

If no one is going to hold an adult discussion here, I'd be grateful if the Mods could lock this thread. If no discussion is needed, according to Nedusa, then this thread is not needed.

[lippyzippy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Actually not so ridiculous......

Nobody else's opinion is needed when dealing with this issue. Actions speak much louder than words........World opinion fairly unanimous in their condemnation of Israeli policies and practices......!!!!

Do you really think we need to "debate" this on this tiny little BB forum ???

Pleeeeezeee.....Get real !!!!!!!

The worse part is how self defeating this Israeli government is....recall how when the united nations voted for Palestine to become a nation, by over 200 votes against 9...the next day the Israelis built masses of new homes on Palestine

disgusting

Im sick to death of it...its destabilising the entire region as well as destroying Palestine and the 2 state solution

it is also going against what many Israelis and jewish people like me want....the truth is many jewish people are liberals, it seems Israel project has been hijacked by the mega rich and greedy power brokers....its also giving moderate Israelis and perhaps even moderate liberal jewish people like me a bad name.
im sick of it and I hope Obama and Kerry, both of whom are good men at heart, can somehow make progress on this tragic bloodbath

[DanaC]

The Palestinians aren't noble ... But they are oppressed. The rockets they send over are a drop in the ocean compared to the wholesale slaughter meted out to them by Israel.

What do people think the Palestinians should do? Cease fighting and just accept the annihilation of them as a people/state?

When the Palestinians fight they are stomped in response by those who have absolute power over them. When they don't fight Israel steps up the building programme

Livia, you say you've been to Israel but have you also been to Palestine?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DanaC

The Palestinians aren't noble ... But they are oppressed. The rockets they send over are a drop in the ocean compared to the wholesale slaughter meted out to them by Israel.

What do people think the Palestinians should do? Cease fighting and just accept the annihilation of them as a people/state?

When the Palestinians fight they are stomped in response by those who have absolute power over them. When they don't fight Israel steps up the building programme

Livia, you say you've been to Israel but have you also been to Palestine?

Yes, I have been to Palestine. Have you?

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, I have been to Palestine. Have you?

No. But several very good friends have. Two of my closest friends went there a few months ago as part of an academic exchange ('Bradford2Gaza'). And I have several Palestinian (and Israeli) friends whose personal stories I have listened to with interest.

What comes through very clearly from all their stories is the sense, not just of violence and injustice, but constant, routine and unavoidable humiliation at the hands of Israelis. At check points (which have to be passed through in order to engage in many daily activities), it is commonplace for Palestinians to be humiliated by the guards. It is also commonplace that people are refused passage (which of course makes working outside their specific area very difficult).

Also what comes through very clearly is the fear. It is a terrible thing for the Israelis that they wave their children off to school knowing that they could get hit by a rocket or a suicide bomber. But on a sheer numbers game, what they are looking at is a small possibility. For the Palestinians, the chances of their children being hurt or killed is so much higher. And so is the chance that their family member will simply not come home, picked up and arrested instead on a suspicion, or for throwing stones at the occupying force. And for those arrested, torture is commonplace. The use of back and body breaking 'stress positions' such as 'the banana' leave those arrested crippled with back problems for life.

Setting aside the death toll (which, though it can be counted on both sides, is desperately tilted to the Palestinian side), and the strangulation of their state and economy through walls and blockades, these people are mentally and physically tormented day in and day out.

That anybody can look at that situation and not feel sympathy for the Palestinian's, and anger at the Israeli's part in it baffles me.

We are supposed to look at the Israeli's historic right, yet ignore those Palestinian families who still have the keys to homes lost to Israel decades ago. We are supposed to sympathise (and I do) with those Israelis facing rocket attacks, yet look the other way at the grotesque slaughter meted out to the Palestinians year after year.

[lippyzippy]

setting up Israel in the first place is as dumb as the ancestors of Julius Caesar reclaiming the city of Bath tomorrow. It is a disaster that no one will acknowledge. Until it is acknowledged and until everyone realise the 2 state solution is the only way forward and that the illegal Israeli building must stop, then the mindless stupid murdering and killing will carry on forever. anyone would be a masochist to want to continue as it is. the Palestinians should not have to pay for the evil Germany inflicted upon my people 68 years ago. Its insane. Its pretty much the same mindless logic George w bush used to bomb Iraq. he figured the USA had been attacked by one group of people so he took all his revenge out on a totally different group of people? its just insane.

[Kizzy]

Oh they do arista don't worry.
It does appear to be a case of ethnic cleansing, I haven't been either but it doesn't mean we can't have a view on the issues faced in other parts of the world.

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