[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Nope I dont. Have only read a few articles about how he treat his wife. Thats enough for me tbh. I dont have time for excuses of behaving like that.

He found one of the Yorkshire Ripper victim's body's...and this poor woman was slaughtered, by all accounts.

[RodHull]

Can see both sides of this argument...

Its true that actually I dont want to see Lauren cage dancing either, the same way I dont want to see Carol or Vicky cage dancing... nothing transphobic, just dont want to see old/ulgy people gyrating half naked on TV.

However the way Bruce presented his objections do indicate bigoted views. If its exhibitionism he dislikes then he should hate Courtney, Charlotte and Carol to some degree (she makes a show of herself every night now) But it was just Lauren, if it was just down to a looks thing why not say that??

Clearly him and Ron didn't understand or want to be around Lauren, I doubt either wish her any harm but they are what they are, old fashioned misogynists with outdated views from a bygone era.

[Vicky.]

I disagree completely with the OPs obsession with putting every little thing down to Lauren being transgendered.

I understand if Bruce didn't want to see Lauren cagedancing. IMO she is not an attractive woman like Courtney is. Its nothing to do with her being trans..I just dont think shes goodlooking. And I should be able to say that without being accused of transphobia, which will no doubt come soon

However my problem is how he made out it was the exhibitionist behavior that he didnt like, instead of just being honest. I think he made himself look a right tit, and a hypocrite.

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I just dont think shes goodlooking.

Thats an understatement... she looks like a corpse in the morning, and wtf is wrong with her knees !?!

But yes he did make a tit of himself, as he did yesterday. Hopefully the corrie bigot and the corrie miserable bore will wear out their welcome this week.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Videostar

He found one of the Yorkshire Ripper victim's body's...and this poor woman was slaughtered, by all accounts.

Yeah thats all very sad. But it has nothing to do with how he treat his wife.
As I say I hate excuses being made for stuff like that. Hell even the 'he was abused as a kid so he does it now' type excuses don't wash with me :S

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I disagree completely with the OPs obsession with putting every little thing down to Lauren being transgendered.

I understand if Bruce didn't want to see Lauren cagedancing. IMO she is not an attractive woman like Courtney is. Its nothing to do with her being trans..I just dont think shes goodlooking. And I should be able to say that without being accused of transphobia, which will no doubt come soon

However my problem is how he made out it was the exhibitionist behavior that he didnt like, instead of just being honest. I think he made himself look a right tit, and a hypocrite.

I agree with this,I think he was probably being careful what he said so he did'nt get accused of transphobia but he should have just been honest imo.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah thats all very sad. But it has nothing to do with how he treat his wife.
As I say I hate excuses being made for stuff like that. Hell even the 'he was abused as a kid so he does it now' type excuses don't wash with me :S

Fair enough, it's no excuse for his behaviour in his life, but he turned to drink after his younger life and the things he saw and went through, and he was a nasty drunk.

But hasn't he suffered enough? you now want him to watch Lauren cage dance too.?

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by _catapult_

@richardg, I'm sorry are you implying there is zero difference between Lauren and your wife/girlfriend/yourself ??? The vast majority of men would not want to be with somebody who used to be a man, that's just a fact and doesn't
Make them bad people or transphobic or any such nonsense.

I personally have nothing against any TG but hate the ridiculous suggestion there is no difference or that anybody who doesn't share the ops opinion is a bigot... but sure we can call her anything u find acceptable my point is the same

I deleted that post ages ago because I didn't want to get into an argument

And, uhh, no, you're right, many men would not want to be with her. When did I suggest otherwise?? I just didn't see the need to write "half-woman". She may have been born into a male body but she considers herself to be fully woman, so why refer to her as any different?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I disagree completely with the OPs obsession with putting every little thing down to Lauren being transgendered.

I understand if Bruce didn't want to see Lauren cagedancing. IMO she is not an attractive woman like Courtney is. Its nothing to do with her being trans..I just dont think shes goodlooking. And I should be able to say that without being accused of transphobia, which will no doubt come soon

However my problem is how he made out it was the exhibitionist behavior that he didnt like, instead of just being honest. I think he made himself look a right tit, and a hypocrite.

I agree that bruce is a hypocrite, I don't find lauren or Courtney good looking and they are both exhibitionists so for me he should have referred to both or neither.

[_catapult_]

Originally Posted by RichardG

I deleted that post ages ago because I didn't want to get into an argument

And, uhh, no, you're right, many men would not want to be with her. When did I suggest otherwise?? I just didn't see the need to write "half-woman". She may have been born into a male body but she considers herself to be fully woman, so why refer to her as any different?

Ummm.. because shes not? Isn't that what I just said? Or are you infact saying there is no difference?

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Fair enough, it's no excuse for his behaviour in his life, but he turned to drink after his younger life and the things he saw and went through, and he was a nasty drunk.

But hasn't he suffered enough? you now want him to watch Lauren cage dance too.?

Seeing a Yorkshire Ripper victim would not make me drink. That's an excuse.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

Seeing a Yorkshire Ripper victim would not make me drink. That's an excuse.

There speaks someone who has never had a trauma at such a young age.

[karezza]

A bigot is someone you dislike because they have different values to you.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by karezza

A bigot is someone you dislike because they have different values to you.

A bigot is a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

[Northern Monkey]

So if i don't fancy transgenders because they used to be a man,Does that make me a bigot?I'm genuinly interested.

[Vicky.]

I don't see how anyone can say you dont fancy transgenders as they used to be men tbh. A lot of M to F transgenders look extremely feminine, moreso than some who were born female. Obviously its different though if you know the person is transgendered though, but you can't tell with a lot.

I mean, look at this page and tell me that you dont fancy any of these women at first glance. Ignore that they are transgendered for a sec

http://pinterest.com/ninapuella/beautiful-transgenders/

Most of them, you would never guess that they were born male.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't see how anyone can say you dont fancy transgenders as they used to be men tbh. A lot of M to F transgenders look extremely feminine, moreso than some who were born female. Obviously its different though if you know the person is transgendered though, but you can't tell with a lot.

I mean, look at this page and tell me that you dont fancy any of these women at first glance. Ignore that they are transgendered for a sec

http://pinterest.com/ninapuella/beautiful-transgenders/

Most of them, you would never guess that they were born male.

Nobody monitoring those pics.. some are of women.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

Nobody monitoring those pics.. some are of women.

Every pic on that page is either a transgendered woman, or a crossdresser.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Every pic on that page is either a transgendered woman, or a crossdresser.

I can tell that they aren't.

[Vicky.]

Whatever you say

You can tell with some transgenders, but not all. This is my point.

[fingers]

It might help to have a look at this, transgender is an adjective, it is neither a noun nor is it a verb! . http://planet.deafqueer.com/gender-grammar/

[Vicky.]

OK, if you are having trouble accepting the other post..here you go

http://mostbeautifultranssexuals.tumblr.com/page/5

All names and such are on the pics to verify

Though I don't see why this is needed. Would be easier if some just admitted that you can't always tell..

[Northern Monkey]

No but what i'm saying is honestly,The thought of having 'relations' with a man repulses me,Even after they've had an op.Obviously they would tell you before you actually did anything with them,So does that make me a bigot?
I admit you can't always tell,Most of them you can though.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

No but what i'm saying is honestly,The thought of having 'relations' with a man repulses me,Even after they've had an op.Obviously they would tell you before you actually did anything with them,So does that make me a bigot?

No it doesn't, read the definition of "bigot".

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Whatever you say

You can tell with some transgenders, but not all. This is my point.

You can tell all.