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Kizzy · 07-09-2013, 12:33 AM

''One million of Britain's lowest paid employees will be classed as "not working enough" and could find themselves pushed with the threat of sanctions to find more income under radical changes to benefits, the Department for Work and Pensions has said.

DWP internal documents seen by the Guardian reveal that people earning between £330 to around £1,050 a month – just under the rate of the national minimum wage for a 35-hour week – could be mandated to attend job centre meetings where their working habits will be examined as part of the universal credit programme.

Some of those deemed to be "not working enough" could also be instructed to take on extra training – and if they fail to complete tasks they could be stripped of their UC benefits in a move which departmental insiders conceded is controversial.''

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ugh?CMP=twt_gu

jackc1806 · 07-09-2013, 12:41 AM

Ludocris.

jackc1806 · 07-09-2013, 12:41 AM

'not working enough'

This isn't Nazi Germany.

Scarlett. · 07-09-2013, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jackc1806

'not working enough'

This isn't Nazi Germany.

Nope, it's Tory Britian. Where you work all the hours you can until you die. Of course, Cameron will probably retire in 2016 and write a book about his life as a bastard.

arista · 07-09-2013, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chewy

Nope, it's Tory Britian. Where you work all the hours you can until you die. Of course, Cameron will probably retire in 2016 and write a book about his life as a bastard.

No its Conservative - LibDem
that took over from 13 years of Wasted New Labour

In 2015 the public do not want
the current Labour Leader.

Verbal · 07-09-2013, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jackc1806

'not working enough'

This isn't Nazi Germany.

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Originally Posted by Chewy

Nope, it's Tory Britian. Where you work all the hours you can until you die. Of course, Cameron will probably retire in 2016 and write a book about his life as a bastard.

Arbeit Macht Frei

I work part time these days, but I worked full time for 10 years. My full time wage before going part time wasnt even more than £1,050.

Youtube video

joeysteele · 07-09-2013, 07:52 AM

The more that comes out from this now discredited Govt as to it's heartless benefit reforms and treatment of particularly part time workers too,the more they will be more hated at the 2015 election.

Even the universal credit plans are being hammered now as too costly,(this lot have wasted absolutely loads of funds as to it's benefit reforms),an administrative nightmare and unfair, this Govt refuses to listen to the criticisms at its peril.

It may well be that Ed Miliband is not particularly liked as a leader or a future PM.
However what is happening still, is that voters will be voting in 2015 to get this shambles of a discrimatory and heartless Govt out and to do that there is only one alternative.
The policy outlined above in the op, is in no way surprising but it is yet another example of how unjust and unfair this rotten from the core coalition Govt is and how it is also getting worse.

Nedusa · 07-09-2013, 08:35 AM

Sometimes it's hard enough to find only part time work, or it could be that some workers have to provide child care to their children or are carers to elderly relatives and cannot take on full time work.

Who sits in Whitehall and makes this crap up ?

Cherie · 07-09-2013, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa

Sometimes it's hard enough to find only part time work, or it could be that some workers have to provide child care to their children or are carers to elderly relatives and cannot take on full time work.

Who sits in Whitehall and makes this crap up ?

Words fail me on this. I have a friend who works at Tesco 3 nights a week 7 until 12, naturally it is minimum wage, the kids at at home with Dad while she is out, he works full time but again his job is not brilliantly paid, so I expect they claim some form of top up, this is the only way she could juggle a part time job and childcare, yet she will probably be penalised now for actually getting a job. The next election can't come soon enough for me, but I expect it is UKIP who will make massive gains rather than Labour.

Verbal · 07-09-2013, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Words fail me on this. I have a friend who works at Tesco 3 nights a week 7 until 12, naturally it is minimum wage, the kids at at home with Dad while she is out, he works full time but again his job is not brilliantly paid, so I expect they claim some form of top up, this is the only way she could juggle a part time job and childcare, yet she will probably be penalised now for actually getting a job. The next election can't come soon enough for me, but I expect it is UKIP who will make massive gains rather than Labour.

People who would usually vote Labour will not vote UKIP. Labour will win the next election with a landslide.

Cherie · 07-09-2013, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

People who would usually vote Labour will not vote UKIP. Labour will win the next election with a landslide.

With Ed Miliband in charge! I don't think so.

Verbal · 07-09-2013, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

With Ed Miliband in charge! I don't think so.

UKIP are just another more extreme version of the Tory party, they are not a Labour alternative. They don't even take themselves seriously.
I'm not a fan of Miliband at all, he's so wet and would struggle to run a childrens birthday party imo, but I would vote for him purely just to get the current lot out. Hell I would vote for a stuffed doll if it got Cameron's lot out.
If I had to choose between this lot and UKIP I would vote Tory. They've no chance.

joeysteele · 07-09-2013, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

People who would usually vote Labour will not vote UKIP. Labour will win the next election with a landslide.

I don't think it will be a landslide and I also feel Labour need to spell out more as to what they will reverse or amend as to the welfare policies of this Govt.
However, it does seem a near impossible task for the Conservatives to do anything now that will get them to the percentage and lead over Labour they need.
They have to be at least 6% ahead of Labour just to be in with a chance of winning an overall majority of the smallest of single figures.
They have been stuck in the lower 30s for ages now, in fact since the 2010 election.

Labour can be neck and neck with the Conservatives and still likely get an overall majority and therein lies the massive problem for David Cameron.
People are now turning against the bedroom charge and as more threats of evictions loom and evictions take place then this Govt has some very unsavoury headlines to hit them yet.

Add to that this new attack on part time workers and also all the other tax credit changes they have inflicted on the lowest earners with the fact that everyone,(although especially those on the real lowest incomes), will be far worse than off than they were in 2010 financially then I cannot see a bit of hope for the Conservatives in the 2015 election as to winning it.

I stand by my own opinion that Labour will win with an overall majority of at least 30,despite Ed Miliband as leader.
He isn't liked but neither Cameron or Clegg will be seen as trustworthy and that will hopefully and in my view see them sent packing.
The next election will not necessarily be a vote 'for' Labour but a very strong vote 'against' this arrogant coalition.

joeysteele · 07-09-2013, 09:15 AM

Discredited failed and not trusted politicians make these decisions Nedusa. like the really vile Ian Duncan Smith, who was already a failed politician.
Elected leader of the Conservatives once and got rid of by them before he could fight one general election for them.
No trust in his abilities there then.

How people like him get to make decisions as to other peoples lives and incomes is totally beyond me, he should have been consigned to the political scrapheap ages ago,with the rotten team he has currently behind him too.

Z · 07-09-2013, 09:22 AM

I don't even earn £330 a month in my part time job

Z · 07-09-2013, 09:50 AM

I earn minimum wage and I get 11 hours a week. Thank God I'm a student and my parents give me some money or I'd be in poverty.

Vicky. · 07-09-2013, 06:15 PM

Yup. Can also be forced to take any job with more hours (even if its 1 or two more hours and an extra 20 miles away) or lose tax credits and such. Lovely.

Predicted this ages ago. When they are done with the unemployed, move on to part-timers. Then when they have squeezed every last drop from them, it will be fulltime minimum wage workers, just watch.

arista · 08-09-2013, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yup. Can also be forced to take any job with more hours (even if its 1 or two more hours and an extra 20 miles away) or lose tax credits and such. Lovely.

Predicted this ages ago. When they are done with the unemployed, move on to part-timers. Then when they have squeezed every last drop from them, it will be fulltime minimum wage workers, just watch.

Labour will carry it on.
If they get in.

joeysteele · 08-09-2013, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

Labour will carry it on.
If they get in.

Of course there is little doubt that some of what this coalition has done and started will not be able to be reversed by Labour due to the likely heavy costs to do so,so I acept they will need to carry on many aspects of the policies that have been enacted by this coalition.

However, Labour would be able to stop some things likely coming in that would be a further attack on those at the lowest end of the scale and also would be able to look at what was already in place with a far more understanding and compassionate view,then make some amendments to make them all fairer and a bit more acceptable.

This Govt has been told repeatedly how unjust its reforms are, how yes, in fact, the genuinely sick and disabled are being caused massive stress and uncertainty by their rotten policies.
How people can support that is beyond me because I certainly cannot.

The main point is that should,god forbid,the Conservatives get an overall majority then they will really go all out even more with their sledgehammer against the weakest and poorest in the UK society.
Thankfully, I cannot see that happening and as I said at the beginning, I expect Labour to amend with fairness and compassion some things they cannot repeal but I also expect no extension of these truly discrimatory and unjust policies that this arrogant lot have proceeded with and been able to implement only with the votes of the equally responsible Liberal Democrats.

Were Labour to come in and spend vast sums reversing the things this Coalition has done then Labour would be rightly slammed for doing that, these welfare and other incomes reforms have cost the taxpayers ridiculous amounts and are reaping virtually nothing in return likely.
I won't even start on the chaos and waste of money this Coalition has done as to the NHS reforms too.

Changes can be made to welfare and all aspects of earning income but it needs to be done in a compromising, compassionate, just and fair way, all things this Coalition have just thrown out the window as they have done them.
I look for much better from Labour and believe they will restore and deliver that fairness and compassion at least no matter what they may have to live with after 2015 when likely again in Govt.
I actually believe under Ed Miliband all that will be seen as to his policies as a Govt too.