[Kyle]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

It was the 2nd one in the series, The Last of the Wilds, that she brought up the concept.



I'm pretty sure you could find audio versions.

Thanks, I'll check them out. I prefer the audio versions cos I can just lie down and listen. It's not full of romance is it?

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

There are a lot of questions but the thread will get massively derailed if we go into that but Thankyou for your contribution.

You do realise you're not the thread creator?

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

You do realise you're not the thread creator?

Thanks for reminding me bright spark but it's bad etiquette to take somebody's thread massively off topic which a debate on that subject will end up doing. My Thankyou for your contribution was thanking you for giving an answer to my question.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Girth I shouldn't have asked that question we will end up derailing GypsyGoths thread if we go into the origins of the universe.

I agree. The fact that someone believes is good enough. Its something that cannot be explained and thus why non believers cant get their heads around it.

[Brother Leon]

1. Yep. Most say you can even be judged off your thoughts etc.

2. Praying can be done for a number of reasons. Could be done simply as a way of worship. Could be done in the hope something happens or doesn't happen. Could be done during a tough time in some sort of plea for help or answers, or could even be done after you feel you sinned and are in regret. There are a number of reasons for it really, not just one.

[fingers]

Yeah, some several billion years ago, God was bored so he thought , "I know, I'll smoke a Joint" ergo he struck a match and "BOOM" "oh my" he exclaimed "that was a BIG BANG"

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I guess when people pray it's not supposed to be a case of demand so that if they just pray for it enough it'll happen, it's more done as a gesture of hope, ultimately everything is in God hands and he must have a reason for everything he does but they will pray to show their commitment to God and hope that he will listen to them

It's almost like the power of positive thinking but with a god as a go between for the desired outcome to occur.

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Thanks, I'll check them out. I prefer the audio versions cos I can just lie down and listen. It's not full of romance is it?

well there is a pretty big romance storyline in it, but there's so much more too, and most of the focus in on the wonderful land and characters the author created.

[Kyle]

There better be lots of battles and violence and dragons GypsyGoth or you will end up being the proud owner of some semi used audio books

[Kyle]

It would be interesting to note if the Greeks, Romans or Ancient Egyptians had A specific God that read the mind of its people or if they were all capable of it.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

1. Yep. Most say you can even be judged off your thoughts etc.

2. Praying can be done for a number of reasons. Could be done simply as a way of worship. Could be done in the hope something happens or doesn't happen. Could be done during a tough time in some sort of plea for help or answers, or could even be done after you feel you sinned and are in regret. There are a number of reasons for it really, not just one.

Thanks

In a way it'd be reassuring to be never alone but also terrifying never having your own space.

And I've never actually prayed, but I do think it's a good thing in the way that it helps people focus on what they want out of life.

[joeysteele]

I am a Roman Catholic and come from a fairly strong religious upbringing, however I cannot accept a great deal of what is taught by the Church.

My faith has gone to be something very simple, everything I do, I need to plan and all major things need careful planning, so I am left with the question that I can only answer with, something created something and somehow this world came into being as it is.

Who/what for instance is nature,is that the creating force but maybe that is the sort of thing that a 'god' for want of a better word is made of.

I do believe in some great energy force, I cannot answer if such a force can read minds but I cannot disprove any of those things as to whether they are true or not.
It is one great and amazing mystery to me.

As for praying, yes, in times of stress or great sadness, I do turn to my 'faith' more, I do ask for help and ask it for others too who are in difficulties and so yes at times I do pray.
I don't expect prayers to be answered or even be sure they are heard by anyone/anything but I have found them upbuilding and helpful at times.

I don't know how to answer the question really, as I said I have a simple faith but I do know for sure, anything needs careful planning and when I look at the World and watch life as it unfolds and goes on, I cannot just think that it all happened by accident.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

There better be lots of battles and violence and dragons GypsyGoth or you will end up being the proud owner of some semi used audio books

there are battles and fights. But I think the books mainly deals with the gods' relationship to the world and a priestess as she learns about them.

[GypsyGoth]

Thanks for the detailed response Joey.

There was a show on recently about a mathematician looking at how numbers reoccur throughout nature. And through his eyes it was like you could see a system there in the evolution, like it was all planned.

I think I'm agnostic, in the way that I don't know if there's a god, or gods or noting. And I don't think it's something I'll find out.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Thanks for the detailed response Joey.

There was a show on recently about a mathematician looking at how numbers reoccur throughout nature. And through his eyes it was like you could see a system there in the evolution, like it was all planned.

I think I'm agnostic, in the way that I don't know if there's a god, or gods or noting. And I don't think it's something I'll find out.

It is in reality a fascinating and interesting subject, you asked good questions,ones that require thinking about.

As you say above, it is maybe not something you or we are likely to find out.

[fingers]

As an Agnostic, I don't believe that we'll ever find out.

[Kyle]

Science and discovery continues to push the boundaries but while there are still pieces of the puzzle left un solved religion will continue to inch it's way into the spotlight.

[smudgie]

I don't want to sound flippant but its a bit like Santa.
It feels good to believe in him.

No harm in making yourself feel good.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I don't want to sound flippant but its a bit like Santa.
It feels good to believe in him.

No harm in making yourself feel good.

That's about the size of it, smudgie!

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I don't want to sound flippant but its a bit like Santa.
It feels good to believe in him.

No harm in making yourself feel good.

You've nailed it.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

First one, can your god read your mind? Like does your god have the ability to tell what you're thinking.

How does the prayer thing work? Is it like if you want something, you pray x amount of times, or say certain prayers and your god grants you that wish.

I don't believe in gods at all and I struggle to get to grips with the whole concept.

I can answer your questions, but my answers are BS.

[Scream]

I've always thought people prayed in hope God does exist and a way of comforting themselves at the thought of death.

[Nemo123]

All organised religion is rubbish, but the notion of a supernatural being trumps all logic, because it's faith based. Where organised religion falls down badly is when it says Adam and Eve really existed, and Noah, and Allah, and all that rubbish. It's when organised religion tries to rationalise God, give him a history on earth, and all that, that it fails.
You see, God cannot be rationalised, or proved to exist or not exist. You cannot apply science to prove Go's existence. God simply trumps all logic, and cannot be proven or disproven.

[fingers]

The earth and the universe have existed for billions of years but suddenly about 3,000 years ago God was invented!

[smudgie]

The God is not important.
Surely it is the actual faith that sustains you.
Faith in a God, yourself or the man in the moon.
Just something to have faith in

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by fingers

The earth and the universe have existed for billions of years but suddenly about 3,000 years ago God was invented!

Yeah, just think of the bible as a glorified Aesop' fables.