[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Cowell made a general comment, Gove made a personal attack on an individual for their view.
There's a slight difference, but I see that you're getting at.

Yes and So he Bloody Should
he is in Charge of Education.


King Simon likes attacks
as it gets him top headlines on that day etc.

[Kizzy]

He's not in charge of Simon Cowell though is he?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not Mr Cowells job to placate Mr Gove and to spout tory rhetoric is it?
We leave that to the likes of Gove et al, nobody in government would ever do or say anything remotely embarrassing or damage public perception in any way would they?

Whoever suggested that Cowell should be spouting Tory rhetoric? The suggestion was that a man with his background should have known better. And then Mr Gove wouldn't have had anything to say, would he.

Anyway, I've already answered this several times, it's pointless continuing to say the same in a different way.

[Kizzy]

Mr Gove did...
Mr Cowell commenting on his own background is neither 'irresponsible or stupid' as far as I can see.

[Tom4784]

I don't think they are bad remarks in all honesty considering the current climate. Most of my friends who have gone to Uni haven't even managed to get entry level jobs in the fields they want to work in. Only two spring to mind who have and I know a decent number of people that either dropped out of college or didn't even bother going and they've got decent jobs now. That's just a small example mind.

Neither extreme is entirely correct, you're not dooming yourself to a miserable life by not going to Uni and you aren't guaranteed your dream job if you do.

[Kizzy]

That's my thinking, education of some description is compulsory till 18 now too so why this one comment got Gove so rattled I don't know?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He's not in charge of Simon Cowell though is he?

No but Cowell
is a public bloke
so Gove is Right to attack him

[Kizzy]

What is a 'public bloke'?... he isn't owned by the public.
Does that make it right for Gove to personally attack him, lot's of people in the public eye say things that could be considered 'irresponsible and stupid' everyday.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What is a 'public bloke'?... he isn't owned by the public.
Does that make it right for Gove to personally attack him, lot's of people in the public eye say things that could be considered 'irresponsible and stupid' everyday.

Yes but Cowell has TV Power
above any MP

[Kizzy]

No he doesn't, I doubt 1000s of 16yr olds would spontaneously drop out of school having heard this. If Gove hadn't made his inflammatory comments nobody would have even been aware of this at all would they?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No he doesn't, I doubt 1000s of 16yr olds would spontaneously drop out of school having heard this. If Gove hadn't made his inflammatory comments nobody would have even been aware of this at all would they?

Yes but Gove has Every Right to
even Joey says he does, on here.

[Kizzy]

Gove can be as offensive as he likes, doesn't make it right. Joey is entitled to his opinion, we don't always have to agree

[Z]

Michael Gove is a pap

[Kizzy]

Is a pap same as a div?

[Tom4784]

No. In his spare time Gove is actually a member of the Paparazzi.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is a pap same as a div?

Yes!

[anne666]

Silly Cowell . Get lucky, how exactly? Line up for his show perhaps? Or pop into your local lucky store kids. Cowell doesn't have a sense of humour so I doubt that he said this in jest.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by anne666

Silly Cowell . Get lucky, how exactly? Line up for his show perhaps? Or pop into your local lucky store kids. Cowell doesn't have a sense of humour so I doubt that he said this in jest.

I agree with you,I just think if someone is going to say something, be constructive and balanced.

Luck is not there for everyone as it clearly was for pompous Simon Cowell,who has been able to make his fortune from other peoples efforts and then when they are no further use to him, he just dumps them.

Education is not perfect in the UK, that is because,in my opinion, in the main, it is a political football and both parties once in Govt feel the need to change this and that and cause confusion all through a childs education.

However, when someone in the position Simon Cowell is, (and he knows he has influence, especially over younger people),then it is not only right but it is was Michael Gove's duty to wade in and argue the benefits of education and to also put down the comments as made by Cowell.
I applaud bigtime Gove doing that too.

Too many celebrities think their word should be law and that they know it all.
It is time Cowell stuck to the music business and talent shows and left the really serious things to those trying to build solid futures for the children in the UK, who are not just looking for a way to make likely vast amounts of money from young people to only then dump them once their earning level diminishes as Cowell does..

[Kizzy]

He replied to the criticism last night with a comment that within his organisation he still finds that people with ambition, perseverance, drive, confidence and talent over academic success are employable.
That's no doubt true in his industry, I don't think any student with a dream of becoming a doctor or an architect would take his advice.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He replied to the criticism last night with a comment that within his organisation he still finds that people with ambition, perseverance, drive, confidence and talent over academic success are employable.
That's no doubt true in his industry, I don't think any student with a dream of becoming a doctor or an architect would take his advice.

That's true, but plenty of young people who aren't very academic might read what Simon said and think "that's a great idea, I'll drop out now and be signed by Simon Cowell" - when only a tiny fraction of the population of the world even has a remote chance at becoming a popstar, even fewer get a hit single and even fewer still manage to build a successful career out of that. Compare that with the number of 16 year olds who drop out of school in the UK alone and that's why I think Simon Cowell's comments are irresponsible. Obviously it wasn't his intention to cause a stir, but they have, because he's a person that young people are more likely to listen to than Michael Gove, and Gove making it a big deal is just going to make people think Cowell is to be believed.