[Ammi]

..and his ban..?...reasonably/without arguments/discuss...

..I think it's been 3 months now, I have never condoned what he did but he wasn't the only person involved...I know the 'anon' thing was the problem with that but I think that also has to be factored in, that a 'forced leniency' to some should also mean that he has one as well..that's fair..?...

...a sanction for anything should always be clearly defined and this one isn't..he can't 'prove himself' unless he is given the opportunity to prove himself and if he messes up, no one knows more that he does that this could be/will probably be his last chance....there are many things that have happened this year, which have hurt/offended TiBB members and it's bad for the forum/for everyone if we can't move on from them/we have to move on from them...can we move on from Tumblr and give him the same 'fairness'....they were only words and words do not have the ability to hurt, unless we allow them to....Scott is 'controversial'/some members are 'controversial' and forums/groups need that.. but for many people, he is also a big part and a big heart of TiBB....


..I think this 'offsite' stuff has been a 'first' this year, so it was good in a way to give a harsh/lengthy ban...but it has been harsh and lengthy enough..?..I mean there is no point in a ban/sanction that isn't aimed to achieve something/learn from it and if that hasn't been done in 3 months, then it's not ever going to...what's the purpose/but to see if anything has been learned, and the only way to know that is to end the ban and see...

[Kate!]

Absolutely not.

As stated at the time there was far more to it than the majority know, I'll not further malign his character by saying anymore, and the appropriate thing for you to be doing here Ammi, with the utmost respect, is to be approaching staff/admin with this rather than making a thread?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Lola-Belle Humbug

Absolutely not.

As stated at the time there was far more to it than the majority know, I'll not further malign his character by saying anymore, and the appropriate thing for you to be doing here Ammi, with the utmost respect, is to be approaching staff/admin with this rather than making a thread?

Yes thats the only way

[Samm]

I hope he comes back soon

[GypsyGoth]

I feel it would be good to chat about it, as far as I know he insulted folks here whilst on another site. And it's Scott he most likely did it out of boredom and not with any malice.

And Kate can you not find it inside you to give him another chance? Forgiveness can set you free of the anger you feel towards him.

Plus we have an ignore feature here, so perhaps anyone who doesn't get on with Scott could use that?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I feel it would be good to chat about it, as far as I know he insulted folks here whilst on another site. And it's Scott he most likely did it out of boredom and not with any malice.

And Kate can you not find it inside you to give him another chance? Forgiveness can set you free of the anger you feel towards him.

Plus we have an ignore feature here, so perhaps anyone who doesn't get on with Scott could use that?

[2]

I can think of a couple other sites where members get insulted all the time, but this time it is out of malice , the only difference is that it's not public so they get away with it

Alsoncan I add, I wasn't even here when this burn blog thing happened I was away & idk if anything was said about me (it probably was) but I honestly don't care, some people take the internet far too seriously at times

[Glenn.]

I agree Ammi. The Tumblr thing was a stupid and reckless idea he had, which snowballed into with a select few of idiots who ran with it. I'm not innocent in it, I posted a couple of things on there that night, though not as extreme as others. I had terrible stuff said about me and my sister that night.

This ban for an offsite incident, no matter how it affects TiBB is completely unfair IMO. If it's the same rule for all then there should be a few members on a ban.

[Cherie]

I've never really understood banning people forever (especially when the person is in their teens or barely out of them) , I don't know what went on, but we all make mistakes and as long as we learn from them I don't really see the harm in letting him back on the premise that it would never happen again.

Scott should be allowed to come back now. The vagueness of an indefinite ban seems like a bit of a nice title that can be assigned without anyone really having to address or discuss it anymore, so if he isn't going to be allowed to come back, then tell him he's permabanned,

Originally Posted by Cherie

I've never really understood banning people forever (especially when the person is in their teens or barely out of them) , I don't know what went on, but we all make mistakes and as long as we learn from them I don't really see the harm in letting him back on the premise that it would never happen again.

That is a completely fair, and the reasonable post, that it should be difficult for anyone to argue against.

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

scott's ban is not up for discussion,
everyone is to be treated by the same rules even me!
ammi for someone that is so vocal in supporting the mods, I find this some what of a shock.

Not sure why you find it's shocking to be supportive of mods, and supportive of Scott at the same time. Yeah, everyone does need to be treated by the same rules. Everyone.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I've never really understood banning people forever (especially when the person is in their teens or barely out of them) , I don't know what went on, but we all make mistakes and as long as we learn from them I don't really see the harm in letting him back on the premise that it would never happen again.

I totally agree Cherie, people in life make mistakes... serve their time and learn their lessons and as Scott said in plug last night, he has apologised profusely and regrets his actions. He definitely deserves another chance.

[thesheriff443]

scott's ban is not up for discussion,
everyone is to be treated by the same rules even me!
ammi for someone that is so vocal in supporting the mods, I find this some what of a shock.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

scott's ban is not up for discussion,
everyone is to be treated by the same rules even me!
ammi for someone that is so vocal in supporting the mods, I find this some what of a shock.

I don't see the point in posting the part about Ammi and MODs. Seems totally irrelevant to the issue and just a cheap shot at Ammi

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Marc

I don't see the point in posting the part about Ammi and MODs. Seems totally irrelevant to the issue and just a cheap shot at Ammi

that's your opinion, clearly marc you cant have your cake and eat it.

ammi should not be doing this in public, she should take it up with the mods in private.

not come on the forum and bring up members bans, after all how many times in the past have members been jumped on for talking about banned members.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

that's your opinion, clearly marc you cant have your cake and eat it.

ammi should not be doing this in public, she should take it up with the mods in private.

not come on the forum and bring up members bans, after all how many times in the past have members been jumped on for talking about banned members.

This is an open discussion about everybodies opinion on the matter and I don't think it's significantly impacting the forum. People don't have to come in or post in here; if you're not happy with it then fine. Like I've said, it's ultimately James' decision

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Marc

This is an open discussion about everybodies opinion on the matter and I don't think it's significantly impacting the forum. People don't have to come in or post in here; if you're not happy with it then fine. Like I've said, it's ultimately James' decision

you are clearly breaking the rules discussing a banned member!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marc

This is an open discussion about everybodies opinion on the matter and I don't think it's significantly impacting the forum. People don't have to come in or post in here; if you're not happy with it then fine. Like I've said, it's ultimately James' decision

Yet another ' impact assessment'?
As you mentioned the razzies I'll throw this in, why can nobody accept admins decision once made, if it's discussed at length and a decision made why the constant debate on the forum?
It is impacting on the forum marc as it obviously will, those who were involved in this and know about other unrelated issues will feel conflicted.
I totally agree with sheriff, this was a devisive move following the good feeling created by most loved.
It's unfair, unwarranted and unacceptable to keep using this to maintain bad feeling.
If or when the ban is lifted will be admins decision and not due to forum pressure.

[Natalie.]

Haven't seen him on here before/don't know what he did but he seems to be loved..

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..and his ban..?...reasonably/without arguments/discuss...

..I think it's been 3 months now, I have never condoned what he did but he wasn't the only person involved...I know the 'anon' thing was the problem with that but I think that also has to be factored in, that a 'forced leniency' to some should also mean that he has one as well..that's fair..?...

...a sanction for anything should always be clearly defined and this one isn't..he can't 'prove himself' unless he is given the opportunity to prove himself and if he messes up, no one knows more that he does that this could be/will probably be his last chance....there are many things that have happened this year, which have hurt/offended TiBB members and it's bad for the forum/for everyone if we can't move on from them/we have to move on from them...can we move on from Tumblr and give him the same 'fairness'....they were only words and words do not have the ability to hurt, unless we allow them to....Scott is 'controversial'/some members are 'controversial' and forums/groups need that.. but for many people, he is also a big part and a big heart of TiBB....


..I think this 'offsite' stuff has been a 'first' this year, so it was good in a way to give a harsh/lengthy ban...but it has been harsh and lengthy enough..?..I mean there is no point in a ban/sanction that isn't aimed to achieve something/learn from it and if that hasn't been done in 3 months, then it's not ever going to...what's the purpose/but to see if anything has been learned, and the only way to know that is to end the ban and see...

just to add, if you let scott come back, then you will have to let every one else come back.
after all, you could argue that all those that have been banned could learn from their mistakes.

I like scott, but at times his posts made disturbing reading.

[Jake.]

Somebody called me an arselicker on that site so he can remain banned

Originally Posted by Snowjakes

Somebody called me an arselicker on that site so he can remain banned

Not quite the same level as a 55yr old sex offender. I wouldn't mind but I'm only 54.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

Not quite the same level as a 55yr old sex offender. I wouldn't mind but I'm only 54.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

Not quite the same level as a 55yr old sex offender. I wouldn't mind but I'm only 54.

Yeah but you look 65 so take it.....

Originally Posted by Angel~Annie

Yeah but you look 65 so take it.....

In the words of Annie when seeing my picture:

"I would..."

Boom.

[Ammi]

..what I am asking for and the point of this thread...is for there to be exactly what someone mentioned, which is fairness..there was no fairness in Scott being the only person on this forum who has received a sanction for offsite stuff...it’s also the first time..(to my knowledge..) that an indefinite ban has been given...so if that indefinite time means he can come back, then nothing that hasn’t been achieved/learned in 3 months will be learned in 6 months, 9 months etc...so if it’s to be permanent...which I and everyone else would have to accept..then 3 months is also long enough in my opinion to be told that decision...what, for forum members will it achieve by being left uncertain for any longer...other than probably, people constantly asking /possible arguments/frustrations etc...so how does that make the forum ‘move on’ ...which is something that I personally believe it should...from everything....

..this is not the same as other people who have been banned and did something which was in cohesion with other member who had no sanctions at all, while action was only taken against them..their bans were also clearly defined which a sanction should also be otherwise, there is no effectiveness in it at all....


..Kate, I very much respect your post and you for making it..I know you felt personally hurt but holding on to that hurt will only ever hurt you more than it will anyone else...thank you so much for giving this thought, which is all I’m asking....oh and by the by, my dad used to have a saying...'it's easy to treat your friends well..but it's how you treat your 'enemies' that makes the difference to who you are...'..so thank you, Kate....

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

In the words of Annie when seeing my picture:

"I would..."

Boom.