[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Really? Well tell that to Leona Lewis.

Leona Lewis had plenty of charisma and stage presence. She was my favourite that year.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Who cares? I wanted her to win because she could sing.

seriously ben, will you buy sam's album for yourself?

[Ramsay]

Off with her head!!!!!!!!

[Vanessa]

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well unless they want their network shut down, they won't be doing it

Honestly I get so sick every year of people claiming the votes are fixed. They aren't. That's it. The sh*t they would face if it was discovered they were doing so doesn't make it worth their while. It's just a TV show, yes they will pimp certain people and hope they do well but at the end of the day they just want two things - high viewing figures and as many votes as possible. Who for they're mostly disinterested in, after all they'll just sign who they want when the show has finished anyway regardless of where anyone finishes and they'll treat the winner however they see fit

Manipulation, yes. Absolute vote fixing - no.

Do you believe that the producers vote on the show Jack? Because imo that's a form of vote fixing.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Really? Well tell that to Leona Lewis.

Leona is still able to perform, just because she's not jumping up and down the stage doesn't mean that Leona can't perform, Sam Bailey has nowhere near the voice of Leona and she cannot perform at all, it comes off way too karaoke with the attempts at being fun or intense.

[alex_front2]

The fixing was the dated themed weeks eg 1980s, big band weeks. Who is old enough to remember the 1980s. Plus they kept changing her age she was 32 some weeks, other reprts had her at 36...

Fixing on XF is nothing new. Look at how it was rigged to get a Little Mix win. Louis and Tulisa making some bullsh*te story about Misha B being a bully. Pandering to the baser part of white viewers' pre conceived notion of a dark skinned black girl. Aggressive, bully, rude. When Misha landed in bottom 2, the damage was done (Leigh Anne Little Mix is pathetic) and Louis sheepishly admitted he was lying and Tulisha blowing a small row out off proportion and then Misha eventually went out.

Re Leona, she will need to changd her style to survive. Her live performance is just so unimaginative and female performers live or die by live shows. Unless she writes or receives Adele level songs she is doomed as a performer and artist. Uptempo songs sell and sell tickets. For every Stay, Rihanna has had to bring out a Rude Boy, Monster, Sos and Only Girl in the World. Leona is not attracting that many new fans. If she did something uptempo and modern, she'd get more attention for eventually doing a ballad. She also needs to get someone to chose her songs for her so far she's had the following slip out of her hands:

We found love - Calvin Harris to Rihanna
Burn - Ryan Tedder to Ellie Goulding
Halo - Tedder to Beyoncé.

[Mystic Mock]

Leona with Halo would've been brilliant I think.

And I can't even imagine her doing Burn.

[Mystic Mock]

Leona with Halo would've been brilliant I think.

And I can't even imagine her doing Burn.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Leona is still able to perform, just because she's not jumping up and down the stage doesn't mean that Leona can't perform, Sam Bailey has nowhere near the voice of Leona and she cannot perform at all, it comes off way too karaoke with the attempts at being fun or intense.

Agreed. Leona is amazing.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Leona with Halo would've been brilliant I think.

And I can't even imagine her doing Burn.

Leona's Burn

Youtube video

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Nl45P...%3Dd2Nl45PeZYg

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm not denying that but that isn't 'fixing', it's just manipulation and as I said in the other post anyone that genuinely watches a show like X Factor expecting a genuine, fair talent competition with integrity is sadly mistaken. Once people start watching it for what it actually is - a Saturday and Sunday night primetime entertainment show on the biggest commercial channel in the UK (which means they are relentlessly chasing ratings and ad revenue throwing all chances of a tame contest with no drama or manipulation out of the window), they'll enjoy it a lot more

The Voice is the closest thing we are getting to a genuine singing competition and just look at how dull that's been so far, but the BBC don't have advertisers to please

Totally agree with this, the X is very staged but without all the staging and manipulation it would be a pretty poor show, never been able to watch the Voice beyond the first one or two shows.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Who cares? I wanted her to win because she could sing.

Thank yooou

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

seriously ben, will you buy sam's album for yourself?

Depends if it is any good. If I like the majority of songs on it then yes.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Totally agree with this, the X is very staged but without all the staging and manipulation it would be a pretty poor show, never been able to watch the Voice beyond the first one or two shows.

The main issue with The Voice UK is that the contestants on it can't sing.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Leona's Burn

Youtube video

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Nl45P...%3Dd2Nl45PeZYg

Thanks I will check it out later.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Can't believe you all fell for her "who, me, lil ole me?" wide eyed routine. She's a 36 year old professional singer with her eyes on the prize. She's no ingenue!! They probably lined up too bland Nicholas and too controversial Tamera to be the no hope alternatives.

Another give away was she was always able to diagnose her stumbling blocks to success on XTra Factor eg her fans may be too old to vote for her on social networks, that she doesn't wasnt to do just old fashioned stuff but do Rihanna songs. This stuck me as suspiciously wily for a so called fish out of water naive modest mum of two.

Her false modesty pretending she thought she'd be in bottom 2 was hilariously rehearesed. Her fake shock when Dermot called her name was laughable especially when others like Hannah, KLR, Tam and RC had been in bottom 2 a few times. Luke's reaction was complacent the week after he'd been in bottom 2 once, but realistic (false sense of security)whereas Sam's hyperventilating, hands on mouth, throwing self on Sharon seemed very contrived.

Talk about a drama queen with a runaway imagination. It is all in your head dear.

[Z]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Leona's Burn

Youtube video

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Nl45P...%3Dd2Nl45PeZYg

I can see why she passed on it, it doesn't suit her at all

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

Talk about a drama queen with a runaway imagination. It is all in your head dear.

If it was all in their head then how come I agree with them on it, and so do many others, if it wasn't for 4 pimp slots and every help known to man she would've come 3rd.

It's actually quite unfair that not even the public's 2nd choice won.