[arista]

Originally Posted by duclos

I hate Jim and do not understand why people like him so much. He's a narcissistic misognistic male chauvinist. He's horrible.

Because it Makes a Change



So nice to have a Non False person

[the truth]

Originally Posted by arista

Because it Makes a Change



So nice to a a Non False person

thats true. hes certainly not false. he rightly calls out the utter lies of political correctness that have enslaved this nation. the only sexism in that house is against jim , though lionel did display absurd double standards as did dappy too

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

In short she is a horror of a human being. you just cant get away from that.

Hi the truth, where have you been lately, good to have you back and I mean that.

I may step back from describing her a horror, my point really is that for being highly competitive and intelliegent,she hasn't demonstrated much of either in a positive way in the house so far.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by arista

Because it Makes a Change



So nice to have a Non False person

He's already admitted he's not being himself.

Sounds kinda false to me.

[Z]

Originally Posted by arista

Because it Makes a Change



So nice to have a Non False person

I agree with this.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by the truth

thats true. hes certainly not false. he rightly calls out the utter lies of political correctness that have enslaved this nation. the only sexism in that house is against jim , though lionel did display absurd double standards as did dappy too

He certainly is. He's admitted as much himself.

How come Ollie, Lee, Dappy, Evander never mentioned the rampant sexism from the girls?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MrWong

He's already admitted he's not being himself.

Sounds kinda false to me.

thats nonsense thats been brainwashed into the masses by dumbed down tv

anyone who is exactly the same all the time is being false.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MrWong

He certainly is. He's admitted as much himself.

How come Ollie, Lee, Dappy, Evander never mentioned the rampant sexism from the girls?

because men arent taught nor are they allowed to complain

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by the truth

thats nonsense thats been brainwashed into the masses by dumbed down tv

anyone who is exactly the same all the time is being false.

What does this post even mean and how is it a reply to what I posted?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by the truth

because men arent taught nor are they allowed to complain

That can't be true. Jim's been complaining since he entered the house.

You constantly complain every series about the female housemates.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MrWong

That can't be true. Jim's been complaining since he entered the house.

You complain every series about the female housemates constantly.

because the men dont complain enough , in particular to big brother. they need to step it up and really expose these men haters for what they are

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by the truth

because the men dont complain enough , in particular to big brother. they need to step it up and really expose these men haters for what they are

Complain about what? That's not sexism directed at Jim, it's good old fashioned dislike. He dislikes a few them too.

The women aren't being sexist with the other men in the house.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by MrWong

He certainly is. He's admitted as much himself.

How come Ollie, Lee, Dappy, Evander never mentioned the rampant sexism from the girls?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Complain about what? That's not sexism directed at Jim, it's good old fashioned dislike. He dislikes a few them too.

The women aren't being sexist with the other men in the house.

it is sexism and you cant see it, I wonder why? funny how you nealry always seem to side against the men...hmmmmmm a pattern developing

[MarcusMel]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think you have missed the whole point,(with full respect), that I was getting at.

...snip (see full quote above) ....

all just my opinion.

Here are my thoughts with respect to your way of seeing the world.
Out of curiosity do you think like this in your workplace? I am not capable of seeing things as a game to play with other people. No need to answer this question it sort of frightens me if people do.

1) Claims of intelligence. My question, what is real intelligence? The concept is ill defined in the first place and has evolved into social, spatial, emotional, mathematical, logical, factual areas to try and pin the concept down. Generally it tends to mean 'my imagination with reasoning shows me how to cope with this'.

2) The strategy you suggest if not natural to a person in 24/7 less sleep time would be difficult to implement and BB can show any accidents that oppose such a strategy

3) If you do start doing things that are not natural to your personality then the shouts of fake, and game player are always watched for and seem to be automatically assumed by many forum posters even when people with empathetic understanding demonstrate the opposite. So being yourself or playing a social strategy is going to be a no-win on either route.

4) Winning the series how? From 3 either tactic is not going to work in your favour. Generally the 'nice' people mostly males win. Emotional projection to others also tends to win.

5) She has no control of the scenarios that may occur inside or outside of the house. BB are in control, not the public. Though this seems to be the first time they are being fair to public in presentation. Twitter is still doing its 'We are funny by writing condescendingly'

Which leaves Luisa with the only attitude available 'to be myself and do the best I can with the situation created' which could mean doing the occasional emotional dump to an ear that listens.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by the truth

it is sexism and you cant see it, I wonder why? funny how you nealry always seem to side against the men...hmmmmmm a pattern developing

Some examples then please.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by the truth

thats true. hes certainly not false. he rightly calls out the utter lies of political correctness that have enslaved this nation. the only sexism in that house is against jim , though lionel did display absurd double standards as did dappy too

Actually Ollie is the only man who isn't sexist in there so no. Even so, reverse sexism isn't a thing.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MarcusMel

Here are my thoughts with respect to your way of seeing the world.
Out of curiosity do you think like this in your workplace? I am not capable of seeing things as a game to play with other people. No need to answer this question it sort of frightens me if people do.

1) Claims of intelligence. My question, what is real intelligence? The concept is ill defined in the first place and has evolved into social, spatial, emotional, mathematical, logical, factual areas to try and pin the concept down. Generally it tends to mean 'my imagination with reasoning shows me how to cope with this'.

2) The strategy you suggest if not natural to a person in 24/7 less sleep time would be difficult to implement and BB can show any accidents that oppose such a strategy

3) If you do start doing things that are not natural to your personality then the shouts of fake, and game player are always watched for and seem to be automatically assumed by many forum posters even when people with empathetic understanding demonstrate the opposite. So being yourself or playing a social strategy is going to be a no-win on either route.

4) Winning the series how? From 3 either tactic is not going to work in your favour. Generally the 'nice' people mostly males win. Emotional projection to others also tends to win.

5) She has no control of the scenarios that may occur inside or outside of the house. BB are in control, not the public. Though this seems to be the first time they are being fair to public in presentation. Twitter is still doing its 'We are funny by writing condescendingly'

Which leaves Luisa with the only attitude available 'to be myself and do the best I can with the situation created' which could mean doing the occasional emotional dump to an ear that listens.

All of that makes sense to me and I have always said the house is a very different place.

You didn't however answer me as to do you really think Luisa doesn't want to win this and also do you think she would want Jim to win it.

We look at her from differing perspectives, I don't believe she wouldn't want to win it and also don't believe she would like Jim to win.
So to avoid that she needs to follow a strategy and the way I see it as to her, she would be better pulling back from getting at Jim for both of those scenarios,for her to have any chance to win or to stop Jim winning

Your post above is equally valid in a different way.
However look, she claims she is intelligent,not my words, she had to adopt strategic skills to get as far as she did in the Apprentice but then fell at the last hurdle in that.
All I am saying is she must be able to see how her getting at Jim, is in fact only strengthening his position and weakening hers.
From her time on the Apprentice,I am amazed she seems so far away from realising that.

She can counteract just about all thrown at her in the house by any housemate, that is down to her skills,whether negative or positive ones as to the execution of those skills.
With Jim she has dropped her guard and is failing to make any impression,on him and the viewers who vote.

I see completely where you have arrived at your perpective above, it would seem to me however you in part base that on a view that she doesn't want to win CBB.
My perspective comes from believing she does want to win it,or more to the point if she doesn't want Jim to.
Then whichever may be right she is going the whole wrong way around things,in my opinion and that's all I can express.

[Vanessa]

Just when i was warming to Louisa she's letting Linda influence her.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Luisa has always been a woman-first girl, Linda's presence doesn't change anything.

[MarcusMel]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

All of that makes sense to me and I have always said the house is a very different place.

You didn't however answer me as to do you really think Luisa doesn't want to win this and also do you think she would want Jim to win it.

...snip....
,in my opinion and that's all I can express.

Yes, they all want to win, but is it a realistic prospect? She is not the type of person, I believe to compromise who she is, just to win the public or create a drama to reveal the possible cracks in someone’s personality. BB for the contestant(HM) is a game show in terms of the tasks they give the HM's BB's aim with the secret missions and tasks is to create rivals so they can have the drama (shouting, plotting, and romance) that BB believe the public wants to see.

Luisa would seem to understand that to win BB is improbable as it is up to public vote and understands how the public already see her. Therefore the only area she can be competitive in is doing the tasks and understanding the people she is living with.

So while your reasoning behind how Luisa could behave to alter the situation maybe correct, she is unlikely going to do so if it compromises who she is. I think the win for Luisa has already happened in that she has survived the first three evictions. From what we have been shown of her behaviour it would look like she is just sees it and a very long party and looks forward to getting back to work on developing her business'

So really I think she is just being realistic in that winning BB is not possible for her, but what a wonderful boost to know you were liked enough to survive evictions.

[Sophiee]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Just when i was warming to Louisa she's letting Linda influence her.

hardly she's had as many arguments with jim in there as linda has and he's probably been nastier towards her. she has every reason to hate him, just because linda does doesn't equal her being influenced. she's more than capable of forming her own opinions evidently.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MarcusMel

Yes, they all want to win, but is it a realistic prospect? She is not the type of person, I believe to compromise who she is, just to win the public or create a drama to reveal the possible cracks in someone’s personality. BB for the contestant(HM) is a game show in terms of the tasks they give the HM's BB's aim with the secret missions and tasks is to create rivals so they can have the drama (shouting, plotting, and romance) that BB believe the public wants to see.

Luisa would seem to understand that to win BB is improbable as it is up to public vote and understands how the public already see her. Therefore the only area she can be competitive in is doing the tasks and understanding the people she is living with.

So while your reasoning behind how Luisa could behave to alter the situation maybe correct, she is unlikely going to do so if it compromises who she is. I think the win for Luisa has already happened in that she has survived the first three evictions. From what we have been shown of her behaviour it would look like she is just sees it and a very long party and looks forward to getting back to work on developing her business'

So really I think she is just being realistic in that winning BB is not possible for her, but what a wonderful boost to know you were liked enough to survive evictions.

I still personally doubt she will want to lose badly here.
However, she has survived 3 evictions as you point out.

We are never going to agree from our perspectives of her beahviour in the house but at least we have reached a small bit of respect for each others views on her time in the house.

I do agree though too that she does likely see it too as a long party now.