[the truth]

183 people waiting more than 36 weeks
for urgent heart operations in a year
compared to only 60 in england.
and england population is 48 million more?
lots are dying on the waiting list?

wales are behind on every single asect of health care and the nhs
why? unaccountable quangos, dodgy trusts and wasteful councils all art of the problems
what a disgrace. I blame the welsh obsession with the labour arty who have ruled there since the liberals rise 100 years ago

I also blame welsh labour. these figures are yet more disastrous welsh nhs figures. now they are aying english hospitals to treat the welsh

patheic

[Vicky.]

Not sure on this at all but its just my guess, possibly England have more/larger hospitals so more beds/doctors per head than the Welsh do?

And they can't exactly build new hospitals or anything given that NHS funding is being continually cut...thats not the fault of the councils, thats the government.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Not sure on this at all but its just my guess, possibly England have more/larger hospitals so more beds/doctors per head than the Welsh do?

And they can't exactly build new hospitals or anything given that NHS funding is being continually cut...thats not the fault of the councils, thats the government.

That sounds pretty much a fair and accurate description of a good part of the problems Vicky, very well put.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Not sure on this at all but its just my guess, possibly England have more/larger hospitals so more beds/doctors per head than the Welsh do?

And they can't exactly build new hospitals or anything given that NHS funding is being continually cut...thats not the fault of the councils, thats the government.

this is also not to forget the fact the death rates in welsh hospitals are far worse than in england and scotland

the welsh government has its own budgets and the sheer amount of waste is obscene. theyre not held to account the way the politicians in parliament are due to a far tinier media pack scrutinising them. all part of their wasted welsh budget and the weakness in the economy is down to the failing councils and the failure of the welsh government and the welsh media to hold them to account. really some of the stories about welsh councils beggar belief, just type in welsh councils corruption / waste or unlawful into google and see what comes up. theyre behinc english councils and english nhs on every single are of every single of their organizations, which is absurd. there needs to be a ublic review.

[Kizzy]

Prescriptions are free in Wales so they don't have as much budget as the rest of the UK.
It's up to you where you receive your care with patient choice for ops, you can travel to England if you want you don't have to stay in Wales.

[the truth]

glad this was brought up on question time,,,,,,the best line of the night was wales should boot labour out of the country

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Really? I find the NHS in England and Wales a total pile of crap that's why I actually paid to go private for an op in London yesterday.

My experience of both English and Welsh NHS run hospitals are just chaotic and the staff overworked, underpaid and despondent. My mother worked 16 hour shifts as a nurse 6 days/nights a week even over Christmas/New Years and would often not even get a break to have a biscuit.

Saying that atleast the Welsh hospitals can provide the bare essentials aka a pillow.

4 years ago Shocked wasn't even the the word when I was in hospital in Charring Cross London and the nurse came to tell me there was no pillows available so I lay there for 9 hours flat on my back staring at the ceiling with a mangled arm listening to a boy behind a curtain crying in agony whilst a nurse was draining some gunge from his ball sack.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

glad this was brought up on question time,,,,,,the best line of the night was wales should boot labour out of the country

I think they said the Conservatives too.
Some of the ridiculous massive costs of the unnecessary, and not voted for reforms, of the NHS could have been used better by the UK Govt to help the situation in Wales too.

They are just sitting there ignoring the issue too, and loving every minute of it too.

[Jarrod]

The problem with here is that we have so many small hospitals, and not enough large hospitals. For example, the village I live in has a hospital but it's not large enough for any major operations and doesn't have an A+E department. North Wales only has three large hospitals and they are Bangor, Wrexham and Aberystwyth. They're all over an hour away for loads of people - including me.

We need more larger hospitals and less of the smaller ones.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jarrod

The problem with here is that we have so many small hospitals, and not enough large hospitals. For example, the village I live in has a hospital but it's not large enough for any major operations and doesn't have an A+E department. North Wales only has three large hospitals and they are Bangor, Wrexham and Aberystwyth. They're all over an hour away for loads of people - including me.

We need more larger hospitals and less of the smaller ones.

probably true that. less is more often. concentrate more resources and staff into fewer bigger hospitals and youve get increaisng returns to scale and reduced average costs of running it....you could also keep the scanners, the mri machines, the blood clot machines on and operated for far more hours a day to enable the doctors to diagnose exactly whats wrong with people before treating them

the mass over burocracy is an enormous probelm, also in wales a weak press seems to allow useless burocrats continue sucking the money out of the nhs regardless of performance...ive dealt with the trust in wales and they are appalling. the ombudsmen who deal with the complaints are also a weak spineless understaffed fiasco. these are all massive issues that costs thousands of lives. the state of the nhs is the biggest problem in the UK today. everything else is light years behind in sheer importance. Id even say we should forgot even discussing most other subjects in parliament until massive changes and improvements are seen