[Kizzy]

His mother was fine with his dress, but that's not really the issue is it?
It was simply the outmoded view of the playgroup staff as far as I can see.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They for whatever reason refused this child to wear what he wanted, there is no evidence that there was any bullying occurring therefore it's natural to question their motives.

There's rules that need to be followed.

What happens then if they allow this one boy to wear dress up clothes then 3 kids turn up the next day wearing them then 5 the next and so on...

[Ammi]

..we don't 'see' though, we have 'one side' from a biased mother, which can be slanted by her and also by the newspapers as well and quite often are, which is why really there isn't much else to say on it...in general though, not in this thing in particular, I don't believe a 4yr old should be able to do what they want....

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Josy

There's rules that need to be followed.

What happens then if they allow this one boy to wear dress up clothes then 3 kids turn up the next day wearing them then 5 the next and so on...

I agree, in the child's home he can wear whatever he is allowed to wear but in the playgroup he is a boy and should wear boys clothes.

No debate, no argument just dress your son in the appropriate attire and move on.

Otherwise it becomes a ludricous free for all where there are no rules and the education of these toddlers takes second stage to whatever craze or notion is allowed by the parents.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

There's rules that need to be followed.

What happens then if they allow this one boy to wear dress up clothes then 3 kids turn up the next day wearing them then 5 the next and so on...

There are not rules.. it was a church playgroup not school.

So what if they do?... Not that they would of course children have different interests don't they? I just find it ridiculous that there was so much support (rightly) for the cross dressing singer but condemnation for a little boy playing dressup at an afterschool club

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

There are not rules.. it was a church playgroup not school.

So what if they do?... Not that they would of course children have different interests don't they? I just find it ridiculous that there was so much support (rightly) for the cross dressing singer but condemnation for a little boy playing dressup at an afterschool club

Completely different scenarios altogether.

And playgroups do have rules. like mentioned earlier in the thread a lot of them have a dress code.

He is pictured in the paper wearing a school uniform and looks perfectly ok, why then expect the playgroup to bend over backwards to give him what he wants but abide by the school rules?

[Ammi]

..but for a 4yr old child it's nothing to do with sexuality or expressing themselves though..this is just a 'dress up' thing and whether he should or shouldn't be allowed to do that and what the 'policies' are...you also can't compare what adults choose and what 4yr old children choose...anyway for me, it's less to do with what he was wearing but how the mother chose to deal with the situation....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..we don't 'see' though, we have 'one side' from a biased mother, which can be slanted by her and also by the newspapers as well and quite often are, which is why really there isn't much else to say on it...in general though, not in this thing in particular, I don't believe a 4yr old should be able to do what they want....

I see that, you don't have 'one side' you have the report including the opinion of the playgroup.
We will have to agree to disagree ammi, I believe that tots should be allowed to play make believe if they like it's part of being a child and there's plenty of time to adjust, well that's my opinion anyway.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

Completely different scenarios altogether.

And playgroups do have rules. like mentioned earlier in the thread a lot of them have a dress code.

He is pictured in the paper wearing a school uniform and looks perfectly ok, why then expect the playgroup to bend over backwards to give him what he wants but abide by the school rules?

Not as I see it josy, it's just my opinion you understand.

[Ammi]

..oh I totally agree with the 'make believe' bit..children can make believe either at home/playschool/friend's houses etc whatever they're wearing, it's all imagination...it's a question on his clothing and whether it was something the playschool allowed or not because 'dress up clothing' isn't what is generally worn for playschool on a regular basis...


..EDIT:..when I say that I don't believe that 4y olds should be allowed to do what they want, I don't mean in terms of stifling their imagination or play but in terms of structure in their lives and having to adhere to structured situations..we all have to, to some extent...

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Not as I see it josy, it's just my opinion you understand.

Of course it is but that's what we do in here isn't it, post our opinions.

And I agree that children should be allowed to play make believe but there's a time and a place for that and the playgroup probably has allocated times for that tbh.

I think it's a case of the little boy being spoiled and the mother has caused a fuss for attention.

[Kizzy]

I think there is plenty of time for rules and regulations, school is school and of course rules apply there. I agree the mother highlighted the repression of expression at this school,it's the seeds of bigotry and suppression imo.
Take him somewhere he can have fun and be himself, next week he may want to be a superhero, or a chef or a table... who cares?

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think there is plenty of time for rules and regulations, school is school and of course rules apply there. I agree the mother highlighted the repression of expression at this school,it's the seeds of bigotry and suppression imo.
Take him somewhere he can have fun and be himself, next week he may want to be a superhero, or a chef or a table... who cares?

I agree with the sentiment in your post..but over 100 dresses Don't you think that is going over the top a bit for 4 year old boy.

Most women don't have 100 dresses.

[Kizzy]

Some may be his sisters I don't know?.. he's a lucky boy thats all I can say. I well jell of that ariel outfit.