[Macie Lightfoot]

Penny is a goddess of the highest order

[BigSister]

Glad your enjoying bb2 mock.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Does he get less repulsive? And thanks BigSister, I'll be watching some more in the minute.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Literally nothing happens and there are no storylines, which is kind of important.

Erm there are plenty of storylines.

Penny stalking paul for 2 weeks and freaking the whole nation out lol.

The hate between Amma and Stuart.

The hate between Helen and Narinder.

The first ever innocent and real BB relationship was a huge storyline.

Brian and Josh was an interesting concept seeing as he was the only gay then watching him coping with a more attractive gay male come in and the rivalry between them was good.

I never got bored watching BB2 and if BB15 wasn't starting in a few weeks I would probs watch it again.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Erm there are plenty of storylines.

Penny stalking paul for 2 weeks and freaking the whole nation out lol.

The hate between Amma and Stuart.

The hate between Helen and Narinder.

The first ever innocent and real BB relationship was a huge storyline.

Brian and Josh was an interesting concept seeing as he was the only gay then watching him coping with a more attractive gay male come in and the rivalry between them was good.

I never got bored watching BB2 and if BB15 wasn't starting in a few weeks I would probs watch it again.

Penny stalking Paul for two weeks doesn't even cross my mind as a thing so yeah how great and memorable.

Amma and Stuart's fight was a good moment; it wasn't a storyline.

Again, Helen vs. Narinder was a random moment more or less, not a whole story.

I wouldn't call Helen and Paul innocent since she kinda had a boyfriend, but like I said that didn't even pick up steam until the penultimate week. And it ended then too.

Like I said, Brian vs. Josh was recurring at best.

[Niamh.]

awww I loved BB2 so much, I watched BB1 but BB2 was the one that really got me hooked on Big Brother. Brian Dowling as well Best HM ever

[Mystic Mock]

There is one a-list contestant in this series, the others are good though.

1. Narinder
2. Paul
3. Brian
4. Amma
5. Bubble
6. Helen
7. Penny
8. Stuart
9. Dean
10. Elizabeth

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Penny stalking Paul for two weeks doesn't even cross my mind as a thing so yeah how great and memorable.

Amma and Stuart's fight was a good moment; it wasn't a storyline.

Again, Helen vs. Narinder was a random moment more or less, not a whole story.

I wouldn't call Helen and Paul innocent since she kinda had a boyfriend, but like I said that didn't even pick up steam until the penultimate week. And it ended then too.

Like I said, Brian vs. Josh was recurring at best.

Big Brother doesn't have to have constant storylines its about spontaneous human behaviour.

Arguments can come out of nowhere, housemates can be best friend or in love one minute and hating each other the next. I personally cant stand the focus on a "storyline" throughout a whole series.

I loved last year but the whole Dexter and Callum thing was dragged out I would much rather watch daily highlights where everyday seems fresh.

[Macie Lightfoot]

But for the show to seem fresh there needs to be something happening, and once you get past maybe Week 3 or 4 nothing happened. Almost all of the "moments" you listed happened very early into the season. And I agree that the Dexter/Callum **** got tiring, but that's because there was no forward plot movement at all, it was the same thing over and over again. A storyline with actual development and forward movement really can't be beat in BBUK, it's why seasons like 5, 6, 7, and 13 were so good.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

But for the show to seem fresh there needs to be something happening, and once you get past maybe Week 3 or 4 nothing happened. Almost all of the "moments" you listed happened very early into the season. And I agree that the Dexter/Callum **** got tiring, but that's because there was no forward plot movement at all, it was the same thing over and over again. A storyline with actual development and forward movement really can't be beat in BBUK, it's why seasons like 5, 6, 7, and 13 were so good.

We are talking about a series that is 14 years old lol.

And sorry but you don't think BB7 stalled for the last 4 weeks? The rest of the nation did and the producers hence them bringing back ex housemates people paid money to evict *winces.

BB2 was great in 2001 it flowed, had just the right amount of fun, friendships, love interests, arguments and a lot of actual political talk which then was interesting but now is a diary room warning waiting to happen.

BB2 was never slow or uninteresting every episode had stuff going on partly because the episodes were only 25 minutes lol but still I t was a classic series.

So underappreciated.

[Macie Lightfoot]

It's not underappreciated at all, everyone loves it solely because of the nostalgia. Watching it back in 2014 it sucks and it can be argued to be worse than BB4. There was no flow because there was nothing to flow. The few arguments there were could easily be counted on one hand and were all in the first few weeks. The only love interests were Paul and Helen, and that didn't even reach a peak until the penultimate week (not to mention that Helen HAD A BOYFRIEND.) The friendships were like, Brian/Narinder and then Dean/Elizabeth, who almost killed the show. The whole thing was a dull mess, especially the second half. Like, let's just take a minute and realize that more things happened in BB4 than BB2.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

It's not underappreciated at all, everyone loves it solely because of the nostalgia. Watching it back in 2014 it sucks and it can be argued to be worse than BB4. There was no flow because there was nothing to flow. The few arguments there were could easily be counted on one hand and were all in the first few weeks. The only love interests were Paul and Helen, and that didn't even reach a peak until the penultimate week (not to mention that Helen HAD A BOYFRIEND.) The friendships were like, Brian/Narinder and then Dean/Elizabeth, who almost killed the show. The whole thing was a dull mess, especially the second half. Like, let's just take a minute and realize that more things happened in BB4 than BB2.

That's what was so good about it, it took 7 weeks of genuine feelings before they kissed it wasn't just like you get now when they jump into bed and shag.

BB2 is very much more adult in the sense its more political and you have to have the concentration span bigger than a nat to really get into it and not just watch it for BIG "ROCK THE HOUSE " TWISTS.

BB4 was terrible, its not called Big Brother Bore for nothing.

BB4 was at the height of my BB fascination and what I witnessed was dreadful lol.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

That's what was so good about it, it took 7 weeks of genuine feelings before they kissed it wasn't just like you get now when they jump into bed and shag.

BB2 is very much more adult in the sense its more political and you have to have the concentration span bigger than a nat to really get into it and not just watch it for BIG "ROCK THE HOUSE " TWISTS.

BB4 was terrible, its not called Big Brother Bore for nothing.

BB4 was at the height of my BB fascination and what I witnessed was dreadful lol.

It wasn't a gradual buildup though like you pretend it was. It went from being a recurring plotline at best to suddenly becoming A Thing in the penultimate week with no real in-between. And there's nothing sophisticated about Helen having a boyfriend outside the house.

You can act as pretentious as you want saying that BB2 was ~more adult~ and whatnot but it was boring. It really wasn't even a political series but you can keep using that word to make it sound sophisticated if you want.

BB4 actually had overarching stories that kept the plot advancing and things actually happened. After Week 3 or 4 of BB2, there's nothing tangible to hold onto. It's just low-level interactions that are somewhat interesting in isolation but painfully blend together when looking at the season as a whole. There's nothing interesting or political about it.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

It wasn't a gradual buildup though like you pretend it was. It went from being a recurring plotline at best to suddenly becoming A Thing in the penultimate week with no real in-between. And there's nothing sophisticated about Helen having a boyfriend outside the house.

You can act as pretentious as you want saying that BB2 was ~more adult~ and whatnot but it was boring. It really wasn't even a political series but you can keep using that word to make it sound sophisticated if you want.

BB4 actually had overarching stories that kept the plot advancing and things actually happened. After Week 3 or 4 of BB2, there's nothing tangible to hold onto. It's just low-level interactions that are somewhat interesting in isolation but painfully blend together when looking at the season as a whole. There's nothing interesting or political about it.

It wasn't a gradual buildup though like you pretend it was.: Yes it was and it got to the point where BB intervened for the first time and gave them a date in "the den" because the whole of the British public were waiting for them to kiss.


BB4 actually had overarching stories that kept the plot advancing and things actually happened Yes but give examples? What an invaluable forum member you are when whenever you back up your opinion you give no examples.

[Macie Lightfoot]

As for your first point, I recommend you look up the meaning of gradual.

As for your second point, we had actual characters in Jon and Federico, the Africa swap, the bomb scare, Jon's return, the first example of poorly mistreating intruders in The Trials and Tribulations of Lisa Jeynes (who doesn't get enough credit as a HM), Steph and Nush's rivalry, Federico failing at shopping tasks, everyone regretting their nominations for Anouska, etc. BB2 was just a series of micro-interactions that didn't go anywhere. Like, after Week 4 does anyone have a purpose besides Brian and Helen and Paul? Absolutely not.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

As for your first point, I recommend you look up the meaning of gradual.

As for your second point, we had actual characters in Jon and Federico, the Africa swap, the bomb scare, Jon's return, the first example of poorly mistreating intruders in The Trials and Tribulations of Lisa Jeynes (who doesn't get enough credit as a HM), Steph and Nush's rivalry, Federico failing at shopping tasks, everyone regretting their nominations for Anouska, etc. BB2 was just a series of micro-interactions that didn't go anywhere. Like, after Week 4 does anyone have a purpose besides Brian and Helen and Paul? Absolutely not.

Im sorry but were Brian, Helen and Narinder not up to the mammoth characters of BB4?

All the other stuff you mentioned which made the show "enjoyable" were desperate ploys from producers to get viewers who were switching off watching. BB2 didn't have to do that, more people watched.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Dean, Elizabeth, Josh, Amma, and Bubble certainly weren't.

And yes, the bomb scare and things that happened inside of the house like everyone's individual storylines were desperate ploys by the producers give it a ****ing break. And for what it's worth BB2 and BB4 were almost equal in number of viewers so keep grasping at your straws.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Dean, Elizabeth, Josh, Amma, and Bubble certainly weren't.

And yes, the bomb scare and things that happened inside of the house like everyone's individual storylines were desperate ploys by the producers give it a ****ing break. And for what it's worth BB2 and BB4 were almost equal in number of viewers so keep grasping at your straws.

LOL but BB4 came after the highest rated BB of all time BB4 averaged 1.6 million less viewers than BB3.

You're grasping at straws.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'm not grasping at straws because ~4.5-4.6 million viewers for BB2 is equal to the ~4.6 million viewers for BB4. And that's with the novelty having worn off.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

I'm not grasping at straws because ~4.5-4.6 million viewers for BB2 is equal to the ~4.6 million viewers for BB4. And that's with the novelty having worn off.

The novelty had not worn off at all it had only been 3 years since the show first aired.

BB5 ended up averaging about 5.1 million afterwards which shows how big BB still was.

BB4 was just ****e and im sure in any poll most fans would agree.

[Macie Lightfoot]

"only three years" in case you didn't realize, BBUK is LONG and is an exhausting project to watch. Three years of 64 days is A LOT of viewing and naturally people are going to be tired. Viewership peaks and then goes on a decline, it happens in every show. BB4 managing to pull roughly the same viewership as BB2 two years later really isn't as bad as you try to make it out to be. And you're not even getting my point right, at all. I said that the argument can be made that BB2 was worse than BB4 based on the fact that absolutely nothing happened, especially in the second half. Your desperate attempts to factor in viewership and fan polls ("I'm right because most people agree with me!!!!!11" like no) don't change that.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

"only three years" in case you didn't realize, BBUK is LONG and is an exhausting project to watch. Three years of 64 days is A LOT of viewing and naturally people are going to be tired. Viewership peaks and then goes on a decline, it happens in every show. BB4 managing to pull roughly the same viewership as BB2 two years later really isn't as bad as you try to make it out to be. And you're not even getting my point right, at all. I said that the argument can be made that BB2 was worse than BB4 based on the fact that absolutely nothing happened, especially in the second half. Your desperate attempts to factor in viewership and fan polls ("I'm right because most people agree with me!!!!!11" like no) don't change that.

Ok then BB4 came after a smash hit year which drew in 10 million viewers for the final yet only averaged slightly higher than BB2.

The figures speak for themselves, people were bored so they switched off.

Anyway this isn't about whats better BB4 or BB2 its the BB2 forum so lets get over your weird obsession with BB4 and get back on topic.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Ok then BB4 came after a smash hit year which drew in 10 million viewers for the final yet only averaged slightly higher than BB2.

The figures speak for themselves, people were bored so they switched off.

Anyway this isn't about whats better BB4 or BB2 its the BB2 forum so lets get over your weird obsession with BB4 and get back on topic.

It's extremely moronic to compare viewing figures from a finale to average viewing figures or another season.

and lol at,

me: *makes a simple statement comparing BB2 to BB4*
you: support your argument! you're an awful poster if you don't!
me: *supports simple statement made earlier*
you: get back on topic, you're obsessed!

[Niamh.]

Jeez Troy I understand that you may not have liked BB2 but why are you so hell bent in trying to convince other people that they didn't either?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Jeez Troy I understand that you may not have liked BB2 but why are you so hell bent in trying to convince other people that they didn't either?

Here here lol.